Original post: Wild Fox Zen
He's big on death and devotion, right? I doubt he's a popular god to pay tribute to, even nowadays, how do you get the attention of such a terrible old bastard, without y'know giving up your whole life?
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Original post: doh
Death and devotion are not the only things associated with Odin. He is also judge, loyalty and strength to name a few.
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Original post: Rick
[QUOTE=Wild Fox Zen]He's big on death and devotion, right? I doubt he's a popular god to pay tribute to, even nowadays, how do you get the attention of such a terrible old bastard, without y'know giving up your whole life?[/QUOTE]Devotion? Odin could give a rat's ass if you are devoted to him. Not a 'popular' God nowadays? I know tens of thousands of Heathens & Asatruar that think otherwise. Want His attention? Be a little more respectful than referring to Him as a bastard. And yes, it does require giving up your whole life. Maybe you should god-shop in another store.
[QUOTE=Wild Fox Zen]He's big on death and devotion, right? I doubt he's a popular god to pay tribute to, even nowadays, how do you get the attention of such a terrible old bastard, without y'know giving up your whole life?[/QUOTE]Devotion? Odin could give a rat's ass if you are devoted to him. Not a 'popular' God nowadays? I know tens of thousands of Heathens & Asatruar that think otherwise. Want His attention? Be a little more respectful than referring to Him as a bastard. And yes, it does require giving up your whole life. Maybe you should god-shop in another store.
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Original post: gedio
Rick's right, for some reason Odin's gone out of popularity, possibly because of his innevitable death.
Rick's right, for some reason Odin's gone out of popularity, possibly because of his innevitable death.
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He's big on death and devotion, right? -
Okay, so take a good look at what you have asked? Death and devotion. Consider this, your idea of what is meant by death may not be the same as it is designed, or as it was understood by a people who lived in one of the more harsh environments of their era. Life is fragile, and living in a place where your life could easily end without too much effort may bring about and attitude where devoting your life to the All Father is preferable to dying and ending up in Helifheim.
When you offer and devote your life to Odin, you are telling him that you are ere to fulfill his wishes and deed to complete the plan. You are ready to give your life in service for righteousness against evil forces. This doesn't necessarily mean that Odin will decide one day, well, that Joe Smith sure is a lard of useless flesh... I'll kill him today. More likely than not, it means that he will see you and grant you wise judgment for the battles you must face, tasks you must accomplish and give you bravery to complete them.
As Rick said there are thousands of Heathens and Asatruar that are devoted to Odin and other Norse gods... not very surprisingly, there are many in the United States Marine Corp.
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Okay, so take a good look at what you have asked? Death and devotion. Consider this, your idea of what is meant by death may not be the same as it is designed, or as it was understood by a people who lived in one of the more harsh environments of their era. Life is fragile, and living in a place where your life could easily end without too much effort may bring about and attitude where devoting your life to the All Father is preferable to dying and ending up in Helifheim.
When you offer and devote your life to Odin, you are telling him that you are ere to fulfill his wishes and deed to complete the plan. You are ready to give your life in service for righteousness against evil forces. This doesn't necessarily mean that Odin will decide one day, well, that Joe Smith sure is a lard of useless flesh... I'll kill him today. More likely than not, it means that he will see you and grant you wise judgment for the battles you must face, tasks you must accomplish and give you bravery to complete them.
As Rick said there are thousands of Heathens and Asatruar that are devoted to Odin and other Norse gods... not very surprisingly, there are many in the United States Marine Corp.
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Original post: Woodsie Lord
better let odin do his thing. those who honor death as a concept will honor him. its like satanists thinking satan loves them in the christian religion
better let odin do his thing. those who honor death as a concept will honor him. its like satanists thinking satan loves them in the christian religion
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Original post: MagiAwen
Wild Fox -
Ok. I do not now perscribe to a pantheon. Though I understand (I think) where you are coming from. I can only share what I feel so this is it..take it as you will...
The god of war and death...of poetry and wisdom...the Allfather...father of the gods...the god of magic and victory...the hunt.
Essentiallty the male aspect of all that is....or is important...however you see him...is how you see him.
I believe that of course whatever you give out you receive...if you give him a power you receive that power from him...as long as you believe it, you can draw on it...however infinite you percieve that to be. The more you want the moreso he will appear. You are the gods you create.
I also believe that the true occult philosophies have been mucch changed from the original...though I have no proof of this other than several mistranslations of old texts or texts several times translated several different ways...and in those ways have altering meanings.
In short...do what is not expected of a devout and that is when you feel or see the true godform you are trying to honor. Or...if it be your will to invoke him.... do so and you will have him...no need for a lifetime of atonement or worship.
Wild Fox -
Ok. I do not now perscribe to a pantheon. Though I understand (I think) where you are coming from. I can only share what I feel so this is it..take it as you will...
The god of war and death...of poetry and wisdom...the Allfather...father of the gods...the god of magic and victory...the hunt.
Essentiallty the male aspect of all that is....or is important...however you see him...is how you see him.
I believe that of course whatever you give out you receive...if you give him a power you receive that power from him...as long as you believe it, you can draw on it...however infinite you percieve that to be. The more you want the moreso he will appear. You are the gods you create.
I also believe that the true occult philosophies have been mucch changed from the original...though I have no proof of this other than several mistranslations of old texts or texts several times translated several different ways...and in those ways have altering meanings.
In short...do what is not expected of a devout and that is when you feel or see the true godform you are trying to honor. Or...if it be your will to invoke him.... do so and you will have him...no need for a lifetime of atonement or worship.
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Original post: Wild Fox Zen
Here's an interesting take on Odin along with the rest of the Norse pantheon.
http://www.viking-z.org/vikg.htm
'Love to hear some opinions on this.
2.16 ODIN
* Allfather.
* The God of Battle.
* The God of Politics.
* The Giver of Victory.
* The Traveller.
* The Wanderer.
* The One who Knows.
* The God of Cargoes.
* The Eunuch.
Nickname - Grim.
Symbols -
* The spear, The rune staff.
* Two wolves (Ravener and Greed)
* Two ravens (Thought and Memory)
* The eight legged horse.
Meditational Exercises -
* Total beingness.
* The completion of all unfinished business.
. Odin seems to have started up as the Wild Rider, gathering up the souls of the dead. A well-known country and western song about this aspect of his, is "Ghost Riders in the Sky". His horse, a son of loki, has eight legs, representing a coffin carried by four men.
The next phase is that of the wise man. He becomes versed in magic, sorcery, invents the runes or Viking alphabet. He becomes the high shaman. In this role, he ousts Tyr as the Allfather, and is a God of the people. He trades an eye for knowledge from Mimir. The student stands to lose the ego and personality, which in retrospect are not worth keeping, but sound like an arm and a leg. There is some argument as to which eye Odin loses. As Freya Aswynn points out, it should be the right eye as that is connected to the left hand side of the brain. This is in line with modern psychology, sacrificing logic for intuition. The reference to him hanging on a tree, to seek knowledge, refers to the initiation rites of a shaman.
The third phase is when he is taken up by the jarls or aristocracy. Now a God of victory for one side in a battle, becomes the God of defeat, for the other. If both sides pray to the same God, then there are problems. Thus Odin is accused of double dealing. In the sagas, he can pull a fast one, on any one who tries to trick him, which is not the same thing as double dealing. He is heavily involved in politics, and thus in treachery and corruption. He ceases to be the trader God, and this role passes over to Thor. He is rapidly building the ego up to a point, where the psyche cannot cope, a problem that can only be resolved in the Ragnarok. There is no room for an over developed ego, to live in harmony with a developing psyche. He splits into three, Odin the warrior, Vili the shaman, and Ve the wanderer who is a teacher to mankind. He knows that he will whisper the words "You will . be reborn" in the ear of Balder on the funeral pyre, and knows . he can not avert the Ragnarok. He is castrated by his son Thor, as Thor starts to take over. Odin is prepared to tolerate evil for political gain. This is quite alien to Thor. Thor would quite happily dispatch Loki, but for the fact that Loki has Odin's patronage.
As a God of the dead, he collects the psyches of all those who fall valiantly in battle, to have an army ready to fight the Ragnarok. In the cold light of morning, Valhalla, Odin's hall of the dead, has little to recommend it, and sounds more like part of the Underworld. There must be better things to do in an after life, other that fighting, eating and drinking. This did not prevent many Jarls from pledging their afterlife to Odin, in exchange for victory on the battle field. It was not unknown for the wife of a follower of Odin, to be thrown on the funeral pyre to join her dead husband. It was also not unknown for wives to desert their husbands, on hearing that their husbands had dedicated themselves to Odin. This led to some terrible scandals. Not everyone used Odin as their main God of worship, even among the Jarls.
The Valkyries, meaning "Choosers of the slain", belong to Odin, and no other God. They select those who will die in battle, and collect the fallen for Valhalla. There is very extensive literature on Odin and the Valkyries. This comes mainly from Germany, and is perhaps best left to the Germans. They do like political Allfathers. In defence of Wagner, we must mention, that he died in 1920, and was unlikely ever to have even heard of Adolf Hitler.
Something that has puzzled many people, was the complete sacrifice, by German tribes and some others, of all their enemies and their goods. Thus all captured weapons were destroyed in sacrifice, along with all captives, to Odin. The reason for this, was to . provide Odin with men and weaponry for Valhalla, to allow Odin to fight the Ragnarok. There seem to be no records of the womenfolk of enemies being sacrificed, and so probably neither were their goods.
The current phase of Odin, is in his incarnation as Father Christmas, and as such he has been very highly sanitized. He is merged with Saint Nicholas, who was a kindly Turkish bishop. He threw bags of money, through the windows of the houses of poor girls, so that they had dowries, to enable them to get married. Climbing down chimneys, comes from Lapland, where in Winter it was normal to enter a house by the Chimney, when the front door was under the snow. Odin is associated with the giving of gifts, and has been called a Cargo God.
The highest aspirations of the ego are total beingness, a winning identity, and the job of manager (control over others). To the psyche, there are more desirable activities. The worship of the Allfather or Sky Grandfather, can be measured in any society, by the murder rate.
The objective here is total beingness, even if it is somewhat unstable, for total beingness leads on to higher things.
Here's an interesting take on Odin along with the rest of the Norse pantheon.
http://www.viking-z.org/vikg.htm
'Love to hear some opinions on this.
2.16 ODIN
* Allfather.
* The God of Battle.
* The God of Politics.
* The Giver of Victory.
* The Traveller.
* The Wanderer.
* The One who Knows.
* The God of Cargoes.
* The Eunuch.
Nickname - Grim.
Symbols -
* The spear, The rune staff.
* Two wolves (Ravener and Greed)
* Two ravens (Thought and Memory)
* The eight legged horse.
Meditational Exercises -
* Total beingness.
* The completion of all unfinished business.
. Odin seems to have started up as the Wild Rider, gathering up the souls of the dead. A well-known country and western song about this aspect of his, is "Ghost Riders in the Sky". His horse, a son of loki, has eight legs, representing a coffin carried by four men.
The next phase is that of the wise man. He becomes versed in magic, sorcery, invents the runes or Viking alphabet. He becomes the high shaman. In this role, he ousts Tyr as the Allfather, and is a God of the people. He trades an eye for knowledge from Mimir. The student stands to lose the ego and personality, which in retrospect are not worth keeping, but sound like an arm and a leg. There is some argument as to which eye Odin loses. As Freya Aswynn points out, it should be the right eye as that is connected to the left hand side of the brain. This is in line with modern psychology, sacrificing logic for intuition. The reference to him hanging on a tree, to seek knowledge, refers to the initiation rites of a shaman.
The third phase is when he is taken up by the jarls or aristocracy. Now a God of victory for one side in a battle, becomes the God of defeat, for the other. If both sides pray to the same God, then there are problems. Thus Odin is accused of double dealing. In the sagas, he can pull a fast one, on any one who tries to trick him, which is not the same thing as double dealing. He is heavily involved in politics, and thus in treachery and corruption. He ceases to be the trader God, and this role passes over to Thor. He is rapidly building the ego up to a point, where the psyche cannot cope, a problem that can only be resolved in the Ragnarok. There is no room for an over developed ego, to live in harmony with a developing psyche. He splits into three, Odin the warrior, Vili the shaman, and Ve the wanderer who is a teacher to mankind. He knows that he will whisper the words "You will . be reborn" in the ear of Balder on the funeral pyre, and knows . he can not avert the Ragnarok. He is castrated by his son Thor, as Thor starts to take over. Odin is prepared to tolerate evil for political gain. This is quite alien to Thor. Thor would quite happily dispatch Loki, but for the fact that Loki has Odin's patronage.
As a God of the dead, he collects the psyches of all those who fall valiantly in battle, to have an army ready to fight the Ragnarok. In the cold light of morning, Valhalla, Odin's hall of the dead, has little to recommend it, and sounds more like part of the Underworld. There must be better things to do in an after life, other that fighting, eating and drinking. This did not prevent many Jarls from pledging their afterlife to Odin, in exchange for victory on the battle field. It was not unknown for the wife of a follower of Odin, to be thrown on the funeral pyre to join her dead husband. It was also not unknown for wives to desert their husbands, on hearing that their husbands had dedicated themselves to Odin. This led to some terrible scandals. Not everyone used Odin as their main God of worship, even among the Jarls.
The Valkyries, meaning "Choosers of the slain", belong to Odin, and no other God. They select those who will die in battle, and collect the fallen for Valhalla. There is very extensive literature on Odin and the Valkyries. This comes mainly from Germany, and is perhaps best left to the Germans. They do like political Allfathers. In defence of Wagner, we must mention, that he died in 1920, and was unlikely ever to have even heard of Adolf Hitler.
Something that has puzzled many people, was the complete sacrifice, by German tribes and some others, of all their enemies and their goods. Thus all captured weapons were destroyed in sacrifice, along with all captives, to Odin. The reason for this, was to . provide Odin with men and weaponry for Valhalla, to allow Odin to fight the Ragnarok. There seem to be no records of the womenfolk of enemies being sacrificed, and so probably neither were their goods.
The current phase of Odin, is in his incarnation as Father Christmas, and as such he has been very highly sanitized. He is merged with Saint Nicholas, who was a kindly Turkish bishop. He threw bags of money, through the windows of the houses of poor girls, so that they had dowries, to enable them to get married. Climbing down chimneys, comes from Lapland, where in Winter it was normal to enter a house by the Chimney, when the front door was under the snow. Odin is associated with the giving of gifts, and has been called a Cargo God.
The highest aspirations of the ego are total beingness, a winning identity, and the job of manager (control over others). To the psyche, there are more desirable activities. The worship of the Allfather or Sky Grandfather, can be measured in any society, by the murder rate.
The objective here is total beingness, even if it is somewhat unstable, for total beingness leads on to higher things.
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Original post: vulnera
he self-immolates from the world tree: yggdrasil, after discovering the secret of runes/writing thusly giving it to humanity... (possibly akin to the ME's of "non-related" ancient texts)He becomes versed in magic, sorcery, invents the runes or Viking alphabet.
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Original post: Skeptismo118
He doesn't self-immolate (i.e. set himself on fire) but rather engages in the activity of sacrifice of self to self by hanging.
He doesn't self-immolate (i.e. set himself on fire) but rather engages in the activity of sacrifice of self to self by hanging.
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Original post: Balder
Ok I am new here so ill be gentle with all of you.
Wodan real name Odin:
As. as in Asatrue a.k.a. Asatro a.k.a Belief in As.
King of the Gods, War God and Rune Roaster.
Married with Frigg, lives in Valhalla, son of Bor and Bestla. Has two brothers Vile and Ve, Father of Balder and with the woman Fjorgyn Father of Thor, with the giant woman Grid Father of Vidar, with the giant woman Rind Father of the sons Vale, Brage, Hoder, Ull and Hermod.
Owner of the horse Sleipner, the spear Gungner and the ring Draupner, has two ravens Hygin and Munin, and the two wolves Gere and Freke.
Holds all WISDOM, gave his eye to Mimer for a drink of Mimerâ??s well.
The day Wednesday is named after Wodan a.k.a. Onsdag = Odinsdag
He did not or is not:
big on death and devotion (?)
gone out of popularity (Wodan never tried to be popular and never was)
those who honor death as a concept will honor him
Allfather (He is not father of all, as he himself has a father)
The God of Politics (LOL)
The Giver of Victory (Asatrue isnt about giving it is about taking)
The God of Cargoes (wtf?)
The Eunuch (perhaps there is a language barrier here elaborate please?
Nickname - Grim. (? As in grim reaper or the old nordic word for UGLY?)
The rune staff (what rune staff?)
Two wolves (Ravener and Greed) (?)
Two ravens (Thought and Memory) (now that is true, but that isnâ??t there names)
The eight legged horse (a.k.a Sleipner which is the son of Loki *ROFL*)
Total beingness (you guys over think here, Ygdrasil is total beingness not Wodan)
The completion of all unfinished business (where do you get this? Some HP on the internet? Read some real work!)
Odin seems to have started up as the Wild Rider, gathering up the souls of the dead. A well-known country and western song about this aspect of his, is "Ghost Riders in the Sky". His horse, a son of loki, has eight legs, representing a coffin carried by four men.
(well no he got heâ??s horse in the end of the saga! And what is up with COUNTRY AND WESTERN? Must have mis read here or something)
The next phase is that of the wise man. He becomes versed in magic, sorcery, invents the runes or Viking alphabet. He becomes the high shaman. In this role, he ousts Tyr as the Allfather, and is a God of the people. He trades an eye for knowledge from Mimir. The student stands to lose the ego and personality, which in retrospect are not worth keeping, but sound like an arm and a leg. There is some argument as to which eye Odin loses. As Freya Aswynn points out, it should be the right eye as that is connected to the left hand side of the brain. This is in line with modern psychology, sacrificing logic for intuition. The reference to him hanging on a tree, to seek knowledge, refers to the initiation rites of a shaman
(this is something you are quoting right? Itâ??s freaking nonsense. Only thing true here is he is versed in magic and invents the futharken runic alphabet. And of course the eye and the tree hanging, I have told you about the eye, the reason he hangs from the tree is to learn from his new wisdom!)
Bla. Bla. Bla.
*snip*
No he is not God of the dead Hell is, again what politics? Asatrue has no room for politics itâ??s TAKE OR BE TAKEN!
There must be better things to do in an after life, other that fighting, eating and drinking (itâ??s not the after life, ROFL where do you get this! They are fighting, eating and drinking because? They are preparing for RAGNAROK i.e. ARMAGEDDON the DEATH OF THE GODS!
The Valkyries, meaning "Choosers of the slain", belong to Odin, and no other God. (WRONG the valkyries are Freyas personal army!)
There is very extensive literature on Odin and the Valkyries. This comes mainly fromGermany, and is perhaps best left to the Germans (GERMANS? I say again GERMANS! TryScandinaviaNORWAY,DENMARK,SWEDENandICELAND! The german mythology is a mixture of ROMAN, GREEK and NORDIC (as in SCANDINAIVA) mythology and has nothing to do with true asaTRUEâ?¦.)
They do like political Allfathers. In defence of Wagner, we must mention that he died in 1920, and was unlikely ever to have even heard of Adolf Hitler (WTF?)
Something that has puzzled many people, was the complete sacrifice, by German tribes and some others, of all their enemies and their goods. Thus all captured weapons were destroyed in sacrifice, along with all captives, to Odin. The reason for this, was to . provide Odin with men and weaponry forValhalla, to allow Odin to fight the Ragnarok. There seem to be no records of the womenfolk of enemies being sacrificed, and so probably neither were their goods
(cmon now people! Vikings LOOTED and DEMANDED TAXES something called Danegaeld i.e. Tax for the Danes! This is really fucked up to see this! Remember all SOURCE CRITICISM!!!)
The current phase of Odin, is in his incarnation as Father Christmas, and as such he has been very highly sanitized. He is merged with Saint Nicholas, who was a kindly Turkish bishop. He threw bags of money, through the windows of the houses of poor girls, so that they had dowries, to enable them to get married. Climbing down chimneys, comes fromLapland, where in Winter it was normal to enter a house by the Chimney, when the front door was under the snow. Odin is associated with the giving of gifts, and has been called a Cargo God.
The highest aspirations of the ego are total beingness, a winning identity, and the job of manager (control over others). To the psyche, there are more desirable activities. The worship of the Allfather or Sky Grandfather, can be measured in any society, by the murder rate.
The objective here is total beingness, even if it is somewhat unstable, for total beingness leads on to higher things[/font][/color]
(Now you have me really angry, are you saying that WODAN is F***** SANTA CLAUS?)
Wow I am AMAZED by the ENLIGHMENT of this forum! Or atleast the participants of this thread!
Hail and READ!
Balder
Ok I am new here so ill be gentle with all of you.
Wodan real name Odin:
As. as in Asatrue a.k.a. Asatro a.k.a Belief in As.
King of the Gods, War God and Rune Roaster.
Married with Frigg, lives in Valhalla, son of Bor and Bestla. Has two brothers Vile and Ve, Father of Balder and with the woman Fjorgyn Father of Thor, with the giant woman Grid Father of Vidar, with the giant woman Rind Father of the sons Vale, Brage, Hoder, Ull and Hermod.
Owner of the horse Sleipner, the spear Gungner and the ring Draupner, has two ravens Hygin and Munin, and the two wolves Gere and Freke.
Holds all WISDOM, gave his eye to Mimer for a drink of Mimerâ??s well.
The day Wednesday is named after Wodan a.k.a. Onsdag = Odinsdag
He did not or is not:
big on death and devotion (?)
gone out of popularity (Wodan never tried to be popular and never was)
those who honor death as a concept will honor him
Allfather (He is not father of all, as he himself has a father)
The God of Politics (LOL)
The Giver of Victory (Asatrue isnt about giving it is about taking)
The God of Cargoes (wtf?)
The Eunuch (perhaps there is a language barrier here elaborate please?
Nickname - Grim. (? As in grim reaper or the old nordic word for UGLY?)
The rune staff (what rune staff?)
Two wolves (Ravener and Greed) (?)
Two ravens (Thought and Memory) (now that is true, but that isnâ??t there names)
The eight legged horse (a.k.a Sleipner which is the son of Loki *ROFL*)
Total beingness (you guys over think here, Ygdrasil is total beingness not Wodan)
The completion of all unfinished business (where do you get this? Some HP on the internet? Read some real work!)
Odin seems to have started up as the Wild Rider, gathering up the souls of the dead. A well-known country and western song about this aspect of his, is "Ghost Riders in the Sky". His horse, a son of loki, has eight legs, representing a coffin carried by four men.
(well no he got heâ??s horse in the end of the saga! And what is up with COUNTRY AND WESTERN? Must have mis read here or something)
The next phase is that of the wise man. He becomes versed in magic, sorcery, invents the runes or Viking alphabet. He becomes the high shaman. In this role, he ousts Tyr as the Allfather, and is a God of the people. He trades an eye for knowledge from Mimir. The student stands to lose the ego and personality, which in retrospect are not worth keeping, but sound like an arm and a leg. There is some argument as to which eye Odin loses. As Freya Aswynn points out, it should be the right eye as that is connected to the left hand side of the brain. This is in line with modern psychology, sacrificing logic for intuition. The reference to him hanging on a tree, to seek knowledge, refers to the initiation rites of a shaman
(this is something you are quoting right? Itâ??s freaking nonsense. Only thing true here is he is versed in magic and invents the futharken runic alphabet. And of course the eye and the tree hanging, I have told you about the eye, the reason he hangs from the tree is to learn from his new wisdom!)
Bla. Bla. Bla.
*snip*
No he is not God of the dead Hell is, again what politics? Asatrue has no room for politics itâ??s TAKE OR BE TAKEN!
There must be better things to do in an after life, other that fighting, eating and drinking (itâ??s not the after life, ROFL where do you get this! They are fighting, eating and drinking because? They are preparing for RAGNAROK i.e. ARMAGEDDON the DEATH OF THE GODS!
The Valkyries, meaning "Choosers of the slain", belong to Odin, and no other God. (WRONG the valkyries are Freyas personal army!)
There is very extensive literature on Odin and the Valkyries. This comes mainly fromGermany, and is perhaps best left to the Germans (GERMANS? I say again GERMANS! TryScandinaviaNORWAY,DENMARK,SWEDENandICELAND! The german mythology is a mixture of ROMAN, GREEK and NORDIC (as in SCANDINAIVA) mythology and has nothing to do with true asaTRUEâ?¦.)
They do like political Allfathers. In defence of Wagner, we must mention that he died in 1920, and was unlikely ever to have even heard of Adolf Hitler (WTF?)
Something that has puzzled many people, was the complete sacrifice, by German tribes and some others, of all their enemies and their goods. Thus all captured weapons were destroyed in sacrifice, along with all captives, to Odin. The reason for this, was to . provide Odin with men and weaponry forValhalla, to allow Odin to fight the Ragnarok. There seem to be no records of the womenfolk of enemies being sacrificed, and so probably neither were their goods
(cmon now people! Vikings LOOTED and DEMANDED TAXES something called Danegaeld i.e. Tax for the Danes! This is really fucked up to see this! Remember all SOURCE CRITICISM!!!)
The current phase of Odin, is in his incarnation as Father Christmas, and as such he has been very highly sanitized. He is merged with Saint Nicholas, who was a kindly Turkish bishop. He threw bags of money, through the windows of the houses of poor girls, so that they had dowries, to enable them to get married. Climbing down chimneys, comes fromLapland, where in Winter it was normal to enter a house by the Chimney, when the front door was under the snow. Odin is associated with the giving of gifts, and has been called a Cargo God.
The highest aspirations of the ego are total beingness, a winning identity, and the job of manager (control over others). To the psyche, there are more desirable activities. The worship of the Allfather or Sky Grandfather, can be measured in any society, by the murder rate.
The objective here is total beingness, even if it is somewhat unstable, for total beingness leads on to higher things[/font][/color]
(Now you have me really angry, are you saying that WODAN is F***** SANTA CLAUS?)
Wow I am AMAZED by the ENLIGHMENT of this forum! Or atleast the participants of this thread!
Hail and READ!
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[QUOTE=Skeptismo118]He doesn't self-immolate (i.e. set himself on fire) but rather engages in the activity of sacrifice of self to self by hanging.[/QUOTE]not to be argumentative (too late) but immolation refers to many forms of deliberate self-sacrifice , not merely through fire as you state. so maaah.
[QUOTE=Skeptismo118]He doesn't self-immolate (i.e. set himself on fire) but rather engages in the activity of sacrifice of self to self by hanging.[/QUOTE]not to be argumentative (too late) but immolation refers to many forms of deliberate self-sacrifice , not merely through fire as you state. so maaah.
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Original post: Wild Fox Zen
Balder:
It's stupid to expect our unargued acceptance of your literalist doctrine of fact. "He who sets himself up as a knower of truth is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods" (Einstein.) The best you can tell us is what Odin means to you, but to really know Odin is experiential and personal, like knowing any other god or archetype. This is what I enjoy discussing.
Though I'll quibble with you on one fact, and that's your dismissal of Sleipner being the son of Loki.
[quote](a.k.a Sleipner which is the son of Loki *ROFL*)[/quote]
I'm assuming the ROFL!!11 was a sort of condescending denial.
Sleipner
I've heard variations of the story, but Sleipner has unfailingly been mentioned as the off-spring of Loki. I so took this fact for granted that I'm a little baffled an asatru would be unaware of it, particularly one who sets his word above everyone else's in this thread.
I honestly could give a shit; if I have a visionary experience that Sleipner was congealed in a cup of coffee, then I could just as easily believe that. The point is that if you're gonna get all condescending about facts then you should at least be aware of the most basic ones.
Balder:
It's stupid to expect our unargued acceptance of your literalist doctrine of fact. "He who sets himself up as a knower of truth is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods" (Einstein.) The best you can tell us is what Odin means to you, but to really know Odin is experiential and personal, like knowing any other god or archetype. This is what I enjoy discussing.
Though I'll quibble with you on one fact, and that's your dismissal of Sleipner being the son of Loki.
[quote](a.k.a Sleipner which is the son of Loki *ROFL*)[/quote]
I'm assuming the ROFL!!11 was a sort of condescending denial.
Sleipner
I've heard variations of the story, but Sleipner has unfailingly been mentioned as the off-spring of Loki. I so took this fact for granted that I'm a little baffled an asatru would be unaware of it, particularly one who sets his word above everyone else's in this thread.
I honestly could give a shit; if I have a visionary experience that Sleipner was congealed in a cup of coffee, then I could just as easily believe that. The point is that if you're gonna get all condescending about facts then you should at least be aware of the most basic ones.
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Original post: Balder
I know that Sleipner is the son of LOKI! I know the story! It brings laughter to my soul when I see Loki giving birth to Sleipner! Although he was a horse him self at the time!
So your assumption was wrong again! Please try again! You need credits?
So to clear it all up! The rofl = rolling on the flour laughing, is me laughing at Loki because he has sex with animals, and even more that he has off spring with animals!
Balder is the bane of Loki! It amuses me to see him suffer and be humiliated!
Now to the good part!
[quote]
It's stupid to expect our unargued acceptance of your literalist doctrine of fact. "He who sets himself up as a knower of truth is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods" (Einstein.) The best you can tell us is what Odin means to you, but to really know Odin is experiential and personal, like knowing any other god or archetype. This is what I enjoy discussing
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Perhaps I am stupid, but not ignorant!
What doctrine?
What facts?
I know the story!
I live it!
But Wodan is still Wodan no matter what you say or think! Its not experiental or personal! He is who he is no matter what people say or believe!
Have you talked to him? Off course not! Itâ??s like some one saying some thing about a person they have never met, but only heard stories about!
Perhaps I am way out there, but I converse with Wodan on a regular basis, only through astral projection though, Loki however I see in person here on middle earth!
Try meeting the persons before talking about them! I donâ??t have a clue as to who God is, why? Because I have never met him!
All the information I have on Wodan he has confirmed to me! Doubt me perhaps but not the word of Wodan! Who is most qualified to talk about Wodan? Wodan is!
Hail and LIVE
Balder
I know that Sleipner is the son of LOKI! I know the story! It brings laughter to my soul when I see Loki giving birth to Sleipner! Although he was a horse him self at the time!
So your assumption was wrong again! Please try again! You need credits?
So to clear it all up! The rofl = rolling on the flour laughing, is me laughing at Loki because he has sex with animals, and even more that he has off spring with animals!
Balder is the bane of Loki! It amuses me to see him suffer and be humiliated!
Now to the good part!
[quote]
It's stupid to expect our unargued acceptance of your literalist doctrine of fact. "He who sets himself up as a knower of truth is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods" (Einstein.) The best you can tell us is what Odin means to you, but to really know Odin is experiential and personal, like knowing any other god or archetype. This is what I enjoy discussing
[/quote]
Perhaps I am stupid, but not ignorant!
What doctrine?
What facts?
I know the story!
I live it!
But Wodan is still Wodan no matter what you say or think! Its not experiental or personal! He is who he is no matter what people say or believe!
Have you talked to him? Off course not! Itâ??s like some one saying some thing about a person they have never met, but only heard stories about!
Perhaps I am way out there, but I converse with Wodan on a regular basis, only through astral projection though, Loki however I see in person here on middle earth!
Try meeting the persons before talking about them! I donâ??t have a clue as to who God is, why? Because I have never met him!
All the information I have on Wodan he has confirmed to me! Doubt me perhaps but not the word of Wodan! Who is most qualified to talk about Wodan? Wodan is!
Hail and LIVE
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[QUOTE=Balder]Try meeting the persons before talking about them! I donâ??t have a clue as to who ___ is, why? Because I have never met him!
[/QUOTE]
Wise words!:)
[QUOTE=Balder]Try meeting the persons before talking about them! I donâ??t have a clue as to who ___ is, why? Because I have never met him!
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Wise words!:)
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Original post: PaulS
Balder,
deities have more than a single attribute to their character. People tend to connect with deity on their own, personal, levels and rarely do two people connect in the same exact way. What one deity means to me will be different from what it means to you. Both are acceptable and both are the same deity, we just look at it from different points of view. No one is wrong in their perception of spirituality or how it is connected to deity.
That it is different from the way that you see it or than I see it is OK but we have no right to demand that they see it the way we see it - That is a Christo-Muslum process. We, as pagans do not believe that all should believe the way we do - we tend to express more tollerance than some religions do. (or we should)
PaulS
Balder,
deities have more than a single attribute to their character. People tend to connect with deity on their own, personal, levels and rarely do two people connect in the same exact way. What one deity means to me will be different from what it means to you. Both are acceptable and both are the same deity, we just look at it from different points of view. No one is wrong in their perception of spirituality or how it is connected to deity.
That it is different from the way that you see it or than I see it is OK but we have no right to demand that they see it the way we see it - That is a Christo-Muslum process. We, as pagans do not believe that all should believe the way we do - we tend to express more tollerance than some religions do. (or we should)
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But we are obviously not speaking about the same thing! You are talking about non sentient entities of your own subconscious mind! You are speaking about self image! I am speaking about the person known through history as Wodan! He doesnâ??t change, he is who he is! Yes we can see him differently but that does not change anything, he is still Wodan!
This has nothing to do with spirituality, Wodan is no God! Not more than you are any way! Have you talked to Wodan or have you been talking to your self that is the question here? If you knew Wodan, you wouldnâ??t be saying what you where saying!
I donâ??t demand anything, I have no authority! I just attack ignorance with wisdom! If you want to listen that is up to you!
Hail and Kill
Balder
But we are obviously not speaking about the same thing! You are talking about non sentient entities of your own subconscious mind! You are speaking about self image! I am speaking about the person known through history as Wodan! He doesnâ??t change, he is who he is! Yes we can see him differently but that does not change anything, he is still Wodan!
This has nothing to do with spirituality, Wodan is no God! Not more than you are any way! Have you talked to Wodan or have you been talking to your self that is the question here? If you knew Wodan, you wouldnâ??t be saying what you where saying!
I donâ??t demand anything, I have no authority! I just attack ignorance with wisdom! If you want to listen that is up to you!
Hail and Kill
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Original post: PaulS
Your wisdom is your owm, Balder. To find the diversity of the God of the Wind (Wodan) look here:
http://www.woden.org/wodan.html
there is an organization of people who disagree with your wisdom - along with the people here who have other opinions of their own about who Wodan is. I trust you are intelligent enough to add to your knowledge and wise enough to study before you decide whether something is worth looking at.
PaulS
Your wisdom is your owm, Balder. To find the diversity of the God of the Wind (Wodan) look here:
http://www.woden.org/wodan.html
there is an organization of people who disagree with your wisdom - along with the people here who have other opinions of their own about who Wodan is. I trust you are intelligent enough to add to your knowledge and wise enough to study before you decide whether something is worth looking at.
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Original post: Balder
I could debunk that page in no time! The main reason for this is GERMANY! You canâ??t compare Wodan to the Germanic tribes! Why? Because itâ??s all mixed up, even the homepage you presented showed that! Itâ??s a mixture of Greek/Roman/Nordic mythology! Thatâ??s why they canâ??t find heads or tails in their so called research! Their earliest reference is Saxo! He was a Christian, he wrote it in Latin! And was a Dane yes, but he was an instrument of the church, they paid him to do the Grammaticus! So he could undermine the mythology that still lived in the people.
It is ok if you think that a Christian and some French and German guys knows more about the mythology than the Vikings who lived it!
Wodan God of the Death, where do you get that! Wodan didnâ??t control any ones life, the 3 sisters did however, but when you died you went down to Hell, not the Christian Hell but an old woman called Hell. Not even Wodan had power over her! Read the Fable of Balder! The only dead Wodan had power over was the Einherjar or lone fighter! And that is only because Hell lets him! Its some thought of deal they made! But thatâ??s all argumentative
I see a lot of old men talking about something they donâ??t understand!
I have read it all before, and there are many that believe it is so! You are not the only one. Even Scandinavian researchers have come to the same conclusion as that of your homepage! The reason the fail in my opinion is:
They try to connect the mythology with indo Europe and Roman-Greek mythology. Instead of looking at it alone!
The Germanic tribes where one big mixture of different mythologies, thatâ??s why you find a lot of references to a lot of mythologies in their history!
I say listen to the bards and read the runes, combine that with the Edda and Snorri! And you have my opinion! Listen to your heart instead of your brain! Talk to Wodan, he can explain everything!
If you look hard enough for a connection! You will find it! But in the process you are destroying something beautiful.
The Scandinavian Nordic Mythology stands alone! The Germanic Wodan is Mars, our Odin is not!
There is no reason to say Wodan if you mean Mars! You say Wodan when you mean ODIN!
But if you did some research you would see that the source you have provided is ignorant!
They call Wodanâ??s horse Yggdrasill! Come on now source criticism!
They say that Mimer lost his head before Wodan drank from his well, how the fuck did Mimer water Ygdrasill then? Ignorance united!
I am finished here! I am not here to enlighten the masses, I will share with those who all ready posses wisdom. I tire of the ignorance of the masses!
It saddens me to read that! Ignorance is bliss some one once told me. I say is it?
The entire essence of Asa has been perverted, I all ready knew this though! I am still baffled by the burning steppes of stupidity it leaves behind!
So many people are claiming something they know absolutely nothing about! Including you Paul! But people of Asa donâ??t preach; donâ??t recruit, so how should you know any better.
Any one can call the selves Asa, there are no rules, and there arenâ??t a community! Some have popped up but in the process they loose all things Asa!
They mix it all together, that site sucks! In my opinion! I could bring you numerous examples but when I am given something that tastes as bad as that! I really donâ??t want to waste more time on it!
Hail and Kill
Balder
I could debunk that page in no time! The main reason for this is GERMANY! You canâ??t compare Wodan to the Germanic tribes! Why? Because itâ??s all mixed up, even the homepage you presented showed that! Itâ??s a mixture of Greek/Roman/Nordic mythology! Thatâ??s why they canâ??t find heads or tails in their so called research! Their earliest reference is Saxo! He was a Christian, he wrote it in Latin! And was a Dane yes, but he was an instrument of the church, they paid him to do the Grammaticus! So he could undermine the mythology that still lived in the people.
It is ok if you think that a Christian and some French and German guys knows more about the mythology than the Vikings who lived it!
Wodan God of the Death, where do you get that! Wodan didnâ??t control any ones life, the 3 sisters did however, but when you died you went down to Hell, not the Christian Hell but an old woman called Hell. Not even Wodan had power over her! Read the Fable of Balder! The only dead Wodan had power over was the Einherjar or lone fighter! And that is only because Hell lets him! Its some thought of deal they made! But thatâ??s all argumentative
I see a lot of old men talking about something they donâ??t understand!
I have read it all before, and there are many that believe it is so! You are not the only one. Even Scandinavian researchers have come to the same conclusion as that of your homepage! The reason the fail in my opinion is:
They try to connect the mythology with indo Europe and Roman-Greek mythology. Instead of looking at it alone!
The Germanic tribes where one big mixture of different mythologies, thatâ??s why you find a lot of references to a lot of mythologies in their history!
I say listen to the bards and read the runes, combine that with the Edda and Snorri! And you have my opinion! Listen to your heart instead of your brain! Talk to Wodan, he can explain everything!
If you look hard enough for a connection! You will find it! But in the process you are destroying something beautiful.
The Scandinavian Nordic Mythology stands alone! The Germanic Wodan is Mars, our Odin is not!
There is no reason to say Wodan if you mean Mars! You say Wodan when you mean ODIN!
But if you did some research you would see that the source you have provided is ignorant!
They call Wodanâ??s horse Yggdrasill! Come on now source criticism!
They say that Mimer lost his head before Wodan drank from his well, how the fuck did Mimer water Ygdrasill then? Ignorance united!
I am finished here! I am not here to enlighten the masses, I will share with those who all ready posses wisdom. I tire of the ignorance of the masses!
It saddens me to read that! Ignorance is bliss some one once told me. I say is it?
The entire essence of Asa has been perverted, I all ready knew this though! I am still baffled by the burning steppes of stupidity it leaves behind!
So many people are claiming something they know absolutely nothing about! Including you Paul! But people of Asa donâ??t preach; donâ??t recruit, so how should you know any better.
Any one can call the selves Asa, there are no rules, and there arenâ??t a community! Some have popped up but in the process they loose all things Asa!
They mix it all together, that site sucks! In my opinion! I could bring you numerous examples but when I am given something that tastes as bad as that! I really donâ??t want to waste more time on it!
Hail and Kill
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Original post: PaulS
My replies are in red.......
[QUOTE=Balder]I could debunk that page in no time! The main reason for this is GERMANY! You canâ??t compare Wodan to the Germanic tribes! Why? Because itâ??s all mixed up, even the homepage you presented showed that! Itâ??s a mixture of Greek/Roman/Nordic mythology! Thatâ??s why they canâ??t find heads or tails in their so called research! Their earliest reference is Saxo! He was a Christian, he wrote it in Latin! And was a Dane yes, but he was an instrument of the church, they paid him to do the Grammaticus! So he could undermine the mythology that still lived in the people.
It is ok if you think that a Christian and some French and German guys knows more about the mythology than the Vikings who lived it!
Wodan is not a Norse name - the Norse name is Odin (viking is the raid that the Norse went on - it is not their name)
Wodan God of the Death, where do you get that! Wodan didnâ??t control any ones life, the 3 sisters did however, but when you died you went down to Hell, not the Christian Hell but an old woman called Hell. Not even Wodan had power over her! Read the Fable of Balder! The only dead Wodan had power over was the Einherjar or lone fighter! And that is only because Hell lets him! Its some thought of deal they made! But thatâ??s all argumentative
If you base all of your spirituality on a single myth then I can see why you have such a narrow view of the Wind God, Woden. Woden is not germanic in origin it is French - in the area of Gaul - during the reign on Rome. You shouls at least be aware of the roots of the words you choose to use to describe the God you do not call a god.
I see a lot of old men talking about something they donâ??t understand!
I do too, but I try to stay quiet and allow them to learn at their own pace. It is when I see preachers telling the world that they are the only ones who have the truth that I stand up and reveal that they only have what they see as the truth. The TRUTH is revealed to no man but at his death.
I have read it all before, and there are many that believe it is so! You are not the only one. Even Scandinavian researchers have come to the same conclusion as that of your homepage! The reason the fail in my opinion is:
They try to connect the mythology with indo Europe and Roman-Greek mythology. Instead of looking at it alone!
The Germanic tribes where one big mixture of different mythologies, thatâ??s why you find a lot of references to a lot of mythologies in their history!
They show the connections as they find them. These people were connected and the names and attributes of the deities changed and became connected as well. This is life - no single race remains unchanged in the world. The Norse traveled as far east as the Black Sea and settled there to become merchants and traders. Perhaps you should study the history of the Norse.
I say listen to the bards and read the runes, combine that with the Edda and Snorri! And you have my opinion! Listen to your heart instead of your brain! Talk to Wodan, he can explain everything!
Gnosticism is ok for personal gnosis but it is a lousey history teacher - even Gnostics admit that the revealed knowledge is of a personal nature and belongs only to the individual. Purhaps you should learn the history of the culture and the ancient world before deciding that the passions revealed to you through a meditative state are for everyone.
If you look hard enough for a connection! You will find it! But in the process you are destroying something beautiful.
The Scandinavian Nordic Mythology stands alone! The Germanic Wodan is Mars, our Odin is not!
There is no reason to say Wodan if you mean Mars! You say Wodan when you mean ODIN!
But if you did some research you would see that the source you have provided is ignorant!
The many names of Odin:
Odin (Old Norse Ӧeth;inn, Swedish Oden) is usually considered the supreme god of Germanic and Norse mythology. His role, like many of the Norse pantheon, is complex: he is god of both wisdom and war, much like the Greek goddess Athena. West Germanic forms of the name are Anglo-Saxon and Old Saxon Woden, Old Franconian Wodan, Alemannic Wuodan, German Wotan or Wothan Lombardic Godan.
Now, if you have any other questions I would be happy to help but I think you need a time out to settle down and stop preaching "YOUR TRUTH" to the masses. We already have our own truth.
They call Wodanâ??s horse Yggdrasill! Come on now source criticism!
They say that Mimer lost his head before Wodan drank from his well, how the fuck did Mimer water Ygdrasill then? Ignorance united!
I am finished here! I am not here to enlighten the masses, I will share with those who all ready posses wisdom. I tire of the ignorance of the masses!
It saddens me to read that! Ignorance is bliss some one once told me. I say is it?
The entire essence of Asa has been perverted, I all ready knew this though! I am still baffled by the burning steppes of stupidity it leaves behind!
So many people are claiming something they know absolutely nothing about! Including you Paul! But people of Asa donâ??t preach; donâ??t recruit, so how should you know any better.
I claim nothing. I only site from other sources while you quote from gnosis and reading the runes. Where is YOUR evidence to the facts you spew?
Any one can call the selves Asa, there are no rules, and there arenâ??t a community! Some have popped up but in the process they loose all things Asa!
They mix it all together, that site sucks! In my opinion! I could bring you numerous examples but when I am given something that tastes as bad as that! I really donâ??t want to waste more time on it!
My point is, I guess, that if offering evidence is not worth your time then it isn't worth much at all to me. Leave if you must go if you wish life is very much like walking the mist.
Hail and Kill
Live as you wish and get what you deserve.
Balder[/QUOTE]
In Understanding and acceptance,
PaulS
My replies are in red.......
[QUOTE=Balder]I could debunk that page in no time! The main reason for this is GERMANY! You canâ??t compare Wodan to the Germanic tribes! Why? Because itâ??s all mixed up, even the homepage you presented showed that! Itâ??s a mixture of Greek/Roman/Nordic mythology! Thatâ??s why they canâ??t find heads or tails in their so called research! Their earliest reference is Saxo! He was a Christian, he wrote it in Latin! And was a Dane yes, but he was an instrument of the church, they paid him to do the Grammaticus! So he could undermine the mythology that still lived in the people.
It is ok if you think that a Christian and some French and German guys knows more about the mythology than the Vikings who lived it!
Wodan is not a Norse name - the Norse name is Odin (viking is the raid that the Norse went on - it is not their name)
Wodan God of the Death, where do you get that! Wodan didnâ??t control any ones life, the 3 sisters did however, but when you died you went down to Hell, not the Christian Hell but an old woman called Hell. Not even Wodan had power over her! Read the Fable of Balder! The only dead Wodan had power over was the Einherjar or lone fighter! And that is only because Hell lets him! Its some thought of deal they made! But thatâ??s all argumentative
If you base all of your spirituality on a single myth then I can see why you have such a narrow view of the Wind God, Woden. Woden is not germanic in origin it is French - in the area of Gaul - during the reign on Rome. You shouls at least be aware of the roots of the words you choose to use to describe the God you do not call a god.
I see a lot of old men talking about something they donâ??t understand!
I do too, but I try to stay quiet and allow them to learn at their own pace. It is when I see preachers telling the world that they are the only ones who have the truth that I stand up and reveal that they only have what they see as the truth. The TRUTH is revealed to no man but at his death.
I have read it all before, and there are many that believe it is so! You are not the only one. Even Scandinavian researchers have come to the same conclusion as that of your homepage! The reason the fail in my opinion is:
They try to connect the mythology with indo Europe and Roman-Greek mythology. Instead of looking at it alone!
The Germanic tribes where one big mixture of different mythologies, thatâ??s why you find a lot of references to a lot of mythologies in their history!
They show the connections as they find them. These people were connected and the names and attributes of the deities changed and became connected as well. This is life - no single race remains unchanged in the world. The Norse traveled as far east as the Black Sea and settled there to become merchants and traders. Perhaps you should study the history of the Norse.
I say listen to the bards and read the runes, combine that with the Edda and Snorri! And you have my opinion! Listen to your heart instead of your brain! Talk to Wodan, he can explain everything!
Gnosticism is ok for personal gnosis but it is a lousey history teacher - even Gnostics admit that the revealed knowledge is of a personal nature and belongs only to the individual. Purhaps you should learn the history of the culture and the ancient world before deciding that the passions revealed to you through a meditative state are for everyone.
If you look hard enough for a connection! You will find it! But in the process you are destroying something beautiful.
The Scandinavian Nordic Mythology stands alone! The Germanic Wodan is Mars, our Odin is not!
There is no reason to say Wodan if you mean Mars! You say Wodan when you mean ODIN!
But if you did some research you would see that the source you have provided is ignorant!
The many names of Odin:
Odin (Old Norse Ӧeth;inn, Swedish Oden) is usually considered the supreme god of Germanic and Norse mythology. His role, like many of the Norse pantheon, is complex: he is god of both wisdom and war, much like the Greek goddess Athena. West Germanic forms of the name are Anglo-Saxon and Old Saxon Woden, Old Franconian Wodan, Alemannic Wuodan, German Wotan or Wothan Lombardic Godan.
Now, if you have any other questions I would be happy to help but I think you need a time out to settle down and stop preaching "YOUR TRUTH" to the masses. We already have our own truth.
They call Wodanâ??s horse Yggdrasill! Come on now source criticism!
They say that Mimer lost his head before Wodan drank from his well, how the fuck did Mimer water Ygdrasill then? Ignorance united!
I am finished here! I am not here to enlighten the masses, I will share with those who all ready posses wisdom. I tire of the ignorance of the masses!
It saddens me to read that! Ignorance is bliss some one once told me. I say is it?
The entire essence of Asa has been perverted, I all ready knew this though! I am still baffled by the burning steppes of stupidity it leaves behind!
So many people are claiming something they know absolutely nothing about! Including you Paul! But people of Asa donâ??t preach; donâ??t recruit, so how should you know any better.
I claim nothing. I only site from other sources while you quote from gnosis and reading the runes. Where is YOUR evidence to the facts you spew?
Any one can call the selves Asa, there are no rules, and there arenâ??t a community! Some have popped up but in the process they loose all things Asa!
They mix it all together, that site sucks! In my opinion! I could bring you numerous examples but when I am given something that tastes as bad as that! I really donâ??t want to waste more time on it!
My point is, I guess, that if offering evidence is not worth your time then it isn't worth much at all to me. Leave if you must go if you wish life is very much like walking the mist.
Hail and Kill
Live as you wish and get what you deserve.
Balder[/QUOTE]
In Understanding and acceptance,
PaulS
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Original post: Balder
I like you, best of luck and happiness to you from me!
If my post seemed personal and directed at you I am sorry! I should perhaps have rephrased some sentences!
Here we go!
[quote]
Wodan is not a Norse name - the Norse name is Odin (viking is the raid that the Norse went on - it is not their name)
[/quote]
True Wodan is not the norse name, but the name for Odin in English to my knowledge!
No Viking means MEN FROM THE BAY or MAN FROM THE BAY or BAYMEN! Old misunderstanding! You canâ??t go on Viking! But many believe that, so ill forgive you!
[quote]
If you base all of your spirituality on a single myth then I can see why you have such a narrow view of the Wind God, Woden. Woden is not germanic in origin it is French - in the area of Gaul - during the reign on Rome. You shouls at least be aware of the roots of the words you choose to use to describe the God you do not call a god.
[/quote]
Any ways perhaps I misunderstood something here, but I thought we where talking about ODIN, not some French myth! Se the start of this post for clarification!
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I do too, but I try to stay quiet and allow them to learn at their own pace. It is when I see preachers telling the world that they are the only ones who have the truth that I stand up and reveal that they only have what they see as the truth. The TRUTH is revealed to no man but at his death.
[/quote]
Says you! But you are correct, it started as sharing but became lecturing some where along the path! For that I am sorry! What if I tell you that I am all ready dead?
[quote]
They show the connections as they find them. These people were connected and the names and attributes of the deities changed and became connected as well. This is life - no single race remains unchanged in the world. The Norse traveled as far east as the Black Sea and settled there to become merchants and traders. Perhaps you should study the history of the Norse.
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There is no connection, when they call Odin god of death and all father! Then it is a different mythology etc. etc. etc.
Yes the Norse travelled far and wide even visited the Phoenicians, looted Egypt and the Roman empire and traded with the Indians, tagged the Russian chapel at St. Petersburg etc.
I know my history! You apparently do not!
[quote]
Gnosticism is ok for personal gnosis but it is a lousey history teacher - even Gnostics admit that the revealed knowledge is of a personal nature and belongs only to the individual. Purhaps you should learn the history of the culture and the ancient world before deciding that the passions revealed to you through a meditative state are for everyone
[/quote]
Well you are saying Gnosticism; I do not however practise that! I astral project and talk to entities! But never mind all that it is irrelevant! Talk to him your self! See what he has to say! He is there I can assure you!
And again I know ancient history more than you would think; Sumerian â?? Egyptian â?? Babylonian â?? Greek â?? Roman etc. and off course my own history Old Nordic history.
[quote]
The many names of Odin:
Odin (Old Norse Ӧeth;inn, Swedish Oden) is usually considered the supreme god of Germanic and Norse mythology. His role, like many of the Norse pantheon, is complex: he is god of both wisdom and war, much like the Greek goddess Athena. West Germanic forms of the name are Anglo-Saxon and Old Saxon Woden, Old Franconian Wodan, Alemannic Wuodan, German Wotan or Wothan LombardicGodan.
Now, if you have any other questions I would be happy to help but I think you need a time out to settle down and stop preaching "YOUR TRUTH" to the masses. We already have our own truth.
[/quote]
Supreme perhaps, King yes wisdom and war yes, not death, wind politics etc.
I am not preaching, I wish for none of you! You failed sorry! I started out a little harsh in the previous post! But I can see now it was justified! You think I need time to settle down! *LOL* I havenâ??t even started yet!
You are avoiding the issues I brought forth in the previous post, is that on purpose or did you just miss them
[quote]
I claim nothing. I only site from other sources while you quote from gnosis and reading the runes. Where is YOUR evidence to the facts you spew?
[/quote]
You asked!
Sources:
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Edda
http://www.kb.dk/elib/lit/dan/saxo/lat/or.dsr/
Nordens Gudeverden.
Bind I: Vætter og Helligdomme
Bind II: Ã?rets Ring.
Hjemligt Hedenskab i almenfattelig Fremstilling
Offerpladser i overlevering og stedminder
Sallingsk og furlandsk Hedenskab
Nordens Mytologi
Vikingernes Rel. & livsanskuelse
Fortelling om ære - studier i islændingesagaerne
Viking & Norse Mythology
Scandinavian Mythology
Blót àNorrænum Sið
Eros og død i norrøne myter
Menneske og makter i vikingenes verden
Phallic Worship
Guder i norden
Senantik Mysteriereligion och Nordisk Runmagi
Magi & Kunst
Nordiske myter og sagn. (1964).
Norrøn mytologi. Tro og myter i Vikingetiden. (Oslo, 1970).
Norrøne gude- og heltesagn. Revidert utgave ved Anne Holtsmark. (Oslo, 1967).
Baldr og verdens-dramaet, 1990
Den store boken om Norrøne Guder.
FRÃ?YA.
These are books I have read they are in Danish / English / Swedish / Norwegian / Icelandic / Latin / Old Nordic / Futharken!
Where are your sources? Excepts the ones claiming that Odinâ??s horse is named Ygdrasill and that Mimer waters the roots of Ygdrassil without a body!
[quote]
My point is, I guess, that if offering evidence is not worth your time then it isn't worth much at all to me. Leave if you must go if you wish life is very much like walking the mist
[/quote]
Do you understand nothing? I read it it was puke! Thatâ??s why I arenâ??t wasting more time debunking some wannabee site pretending to know something they donâ??t!
[quote]
Live as you wish and get what you deserve
[/quote]
I live as I wish and get what I take!
[quote]
In Understanding and acceptance
[/quote]
Right back at ya! Mate!
Hail and Kill
Balder
I like you, best of luck and happiness to you from me!
If my post seemed personal and directed at you I am sorry! I should perhaps have rephrased some sentences!
Here we go!
[quote]
Wodan is not a Norse name - the Norse name is Odin (viking is the raid that the Norse went on - it is not their name)
[/quote]
True Wodan is not the norse name, but the name for Odin in English to my knowledge!
No Viking means MEN FROM THE BAY or MAN FROM THE BAY or BAYMEN! Old misunderstanding! You canâ??t go on Viking! But many believe that, so ill forgive you!
[quote]
If you base all of your spirituality on a single myth then I can see why you have such a narrow view of the Wind God, Woden. Woden is not germanic in origin it is French - in the area of Gaul - during the reign on Rome. You shouls at least be aware of the roots of the words you choose to use to describe the God you do not call a god.
[/quote]
Any ways perhaps I misunderstood something here, but I thought we where talking about ODIN, not some French myth! Se the start of this post for clarification!
[quote]
I do too, but I try to stay quiet and allow them to learn at their own pace. It is when I see preachers telling the world that they are the only ones who have the truth that I stand up and reveal that they only have what they see as the truth. The TRUTH is revealed to no man but at his death.
[/quote]
Says you! But you are correct, it started as sharing but became lecturing some where along the path! For that I am sorry! What if I tell you that I am all ready dead?
[quote]
They show the connections as they find them. These people were connected and the names and attributes of the deities changed and became connected as well. This is life - no single race remains unchanged in the world. The Norse traveled as far east as the Black Sea and settled there to become merchants and traders. Perhaps you should study the history of the Norse.
[/quote]
There is no connection, when they call Odin god of death and all father! Then it is a different mythology etc. etc. etc.
Yes the Norse travelled far and wide even visited the Phoenicians, looted Egypt and the Roman empire and traded with the Indians, tagged the Russian chapel at St. Petersburg etc.
I know my history! You apparently do not!
[quote]
Gnosticism is ok for personal gnosis but it is a lousey history teacher - even Gnostics admit that the revealed knowledge is of a personal nature and belongs only to the individual. Purhaps you should learn the history of the culture and the ancient world before deciding that the passions revealed to you through a meditative state are for everyone
[/quote]
Well you are saying Gnosticism; I do not however practise that! I astral project and talk to entities! But never mind all that it is irrelevant! Talk to him your self! See what he has to say! He is there I can assure you!
And again I know ancient history more than you would think; Sumerian â?? Egyptian â?? Babylonian â?? Greek â?? Roman etc. and off course my own history Old Nordic history.
[quote]
The many names of Odin:
Odin (Old Norse Ӧeth;inn, Swedish Oden) is usually considered the supreme god of Germanic and Norse mythology. His role, like many of the Norse pantheon, is complex: he is god of both wisdom and war, much like the Greek goddess Athena. West Germanic forms of the name are Anglo-Saxon and Old Saxon Woden, Old Franconian Wodan, Alemannic Wuodan, German Wotan or Wothan LombardicGodan.
Now, if you have any other questions I would be happy to help but I think you need a time out to settle down and stop preaching "YOUR TRUTH" to the masses. We already have our own truth.
[/quote]
Supreme perhaps, King yes wisdom and war yes, not death, wind politics etc.
I am not preaching, I wish for none of you! You failed sorry! I started out a little harsh in the previous post! But I can see now it was justified! You think I need time to settle down! *LOL* I havenâ??t even started yet!
You are avoiding the issues I brought forth in the previous post, is that on purpose or did you just miss them
[quote]
I claim nothing. I only site from other sources while you quote from gnosis and reading the runes. Where is YOUR evidence to the facts you spew?
[/quote]
You asked!
Sources:
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Edda
http://www.kb.dk/elib/lit/dan/saxo/lat/or.dsr/
Nordens Gudeverden.
Bind I: Vætter og Helligdomme
Bind II: Ã?rets Ring.
Hjemligt Hedenskab i almenfattelig Fremstilling
Offerpladser i overlevering og stedminder
Sallingsk og furlandsk Hedenskab
Nordens Mytologi
Vikingernes Rel. & livsanskuelse
Fortelling om ære - studier i islændingesagaerne
Viking & Norse Mythology
Scandinavian Mythology
Blót àNorrænum Sið
Eros og død i norrøne myter
Menneske og makter i vikingenes verden
Phallic Worship
Guder i norden
Senantik Mysteriereligion och Nordisk Runmagi
Magi & Kunst
Nordiske myter og sagn. (1964).
Norrøn mytologi. Tro og myter i Vikingetiden. (Oslo, 1970).
Norrøne gude- og heltesagn. Revidert utgave ved Anne Holtsmark. (Oslo, 1967).
Baldr og verdens-dramaet, 1990
Den store boken om Norrøne Guder.
FRÃ?YA.
These are books I have read they are in Danish / English / Swedish / Norwegian / Icelandic / Latin / Old Nordic / Futharken!
Where are your sources? Excepts the ones claiming that Odinâ??s horse is named Ygdrasill and that Mimer waters the roots of Ygdrassil without a body!
[quote]
My point is, I guess, that if offering evidence is not worth your time then it isn't worth much at all to me. Leave if you must go if you wish life is very much like walking the mist
[/quote]
Do you understand nothing? I read it it was puke! Thatâ??s why I arenâ??t wasting more time debunking some wannabee site pretending to know something they donâ??t!
[quote]
Live as you wish and get what you deserve
[/quote]
I live as I wish and get what I take!
[quote]
In Understanding and acceptance
[/quote]
Right back at ya! Mate!
Hail and Kill
Balder
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Original post: Samhain
Balder, given your astounding level of ignorance about the material that you're trying to talk about, I think that it would be useful if you took a less condescending tone with people. Particularly with PaulS, who knows far more than you do, and who has been very patient with you so far.
Balder, given your astounding level of ignorance about the material that you're trying to talk about, I think that it would be useful if you took a less condescending tone with people. Particularly with PaulS, who knows far more than you do, and who has been very patient with you so far.
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Original post: doh
Balder, please just quit being rude. Your truth is just that. YOURS. It isn't everyone else's and even history is warped. What is true for you is not what is true for everyone here and I don't care who you have talked to. Many others here have spoken with many of the same entities and come up with different thoughts. If you can't discuss things politely, than bow out of the conversation. There is no need to be condescending and no need to be rude and make jabs at people at every turn. If you can't argue without making it personal (and this goes for a few others here), then politely keep your opinions to yourself.
Balder, please just quit being rude. Your truth is just that. YOURS. It isn't everyone else's and even history is warped. What is true for you is not what is true for everyone here and I don't care who you have talked to. Many others here have spoken with many of the same entities and come up with different thoughts. If you can't discuss things politely, than bow out of the conversation. There is no need to be condescending and no need to be rude and make jabs at people at every turn. If you can't argue without making it personal (and this goes for a few others here), then politely keep your opinions to yourself.
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Original post: Balder
Perhaps I should rephrase some lines! But IGNORANCE I have none! Not on this subject! I canâ??t claim total wisdom because doing that is ignorant, but this is basics and I know basics! All the so called facts he has provided has been debunked many times! All I ask and after that ill stop! Look at the mythology alone! Do not mix it with roman mythology, why? Because then we bring Greek mythology in, whatâ??s next Babylonian off course, after that Egyptian and after that Sumerian! Read and prosper! Nordic mythology stands alone! I would agree that roman = Greek = Babylonian = Egyptian = Sumerian why? Because they originate from the same place! Even the mystery schools of Egypt and Sumeria had a finger in the making of the Vatican and the Country of Is-Ra-El, there holy trinity!
We have some basic mythologies that developed alone! Almost alone that is!
Meso American
Indian Ramayana
Summerian Religion
Nordic Mythology
Aboriginal Dreamworld
All these have distinct features not to be mixed!
I have provided more than 20 sources of respected researchers! When you take an area as old German and France! You get one big mix of different mythologies that is all I am saying! Hence it canâ??t be proven as facts, because then we get one big blur of facts! If what Paul says is true, I could conclude from that;
Odin = Wodan = Mars = Ares = Marduk = Onuris-Anhur = Akkad
If that is your logic ok! I will accept that!
I just have a different opinion!
[quote]
Particularly with PaulS, who knows far more than you do, and who has been very patient with you so far.
[/quote]
Are you fed up? You still hungry?
Your assumptions prove your ignorance! Show me mine, I dare you!
Patient with me! *LOL*
Perhaps and I think this as well Paul has great knowledge, but he can still be wrong, as can I!
However I am sure that what I am saying is correct! Show me where I am wrong!
Provide valid information, not some second rated homepage! Books, homepages from accepted science institutions Runes etc.
I like to debate and I will change my tone towards Paul!
Perhaps he could, as senior members create a new thread where we could debate this? If he is interested!
I know the theory and it is flawed!
Hail and Kill
Balder
ps: A new reply!
Doh!
Ok I am sorry for being rude, that was never my intention! Perhaps my opening statement was harsh! But after that I THINK that I retaliated! Perhaps one or two pre emptive strikes!
[quote]
Balder, given your astounding level of ignorance
[/quote]
I am ignorant!
[quote]
who knows far more than you do, and who has been very patient with you so far
[/quote]
Who knows what this guy means! Be patient?
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It's stupid to expect our unargued acceptance of your literalist doctrine of fact
[/quote]
So I am stupid
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That is a Christo-Muslum process
[/quote]
Subliminal offence here! Calling me a Christian and a Muslim! No offence taken though!
[quote]
Perhaps you should study the history of the Norse.
[/quote]
Ignorant again!
[quote]
perhaps you should learn the history of the culture and the ancient world
[/quote]
Again!
[quote]
You shouls at least be aware of the roots of the words you choose to use
[/quote]
And again!
[quote]
you need a time out to settle down and stop preaching
[/quote]
Lecturing here! And calling me fanatic! Or at least a Preacher!
[quote]
Where is YOUR evidence to the facts you spew
[/quote]
And I spew!
This is just an illustration, that it goes both ways!
But again, all power to the mods, ill play nice! And rephrase from now on!
I am not here to make personal attacks! I can see that I have done so! So sorry please forgive me!
Perhaps I should rephrase some lines! But IGNORANCE I have none! Not on this subject! I canâ??t claim total wisdom because doing that is ignorant, but this is basics and I know basics! All the so called facts he has provided has been debunked many times! All I ask and after that ill stop! Look at the mythology alone! Do not mix it with roman mythology, why? Because then we bring Greek mythology in, whatâ??s next Babylonian off course, after that Egyptian and after that Sumerian! Read and prosper! Nordic mythology stands alone! I would agree that roman = Greek = Babylonian = Egyptian = Sumerian why? Because they originate from the same place! Even the mystery schools of Egypt and Sumeria had a finger in the making of the Vatican and the Country of Is-Ra-El, there holy trinity!
We have some basic mythologies that developed alone! Almost alone that is!
Meso American
Indian Ramayana
Summerian Religion
Nordic Mythology
Aboriginal Dreamworld
All these have distinct features not to be mixed!
I have provided more than 20 sources of respected researchers! When you take an area as old German and France! You get one big mix of different mythologies that is all I am saying! Hence it canâ??t be proven as facts, because then we get one big blur of facts! If what Paul says is true, I could conclude from that;
Odin = Wodan = Mars = Ares = Marduk = Onuris-Anhur = Akkad
If that is your logic ok! I will accept that!
I just have a different opinion!
[quote]
Particularly with PaulS, who knows far more than you do, and who has been very patient with you so far.
[/quote]
Are you fed up? You still hungry?
Your assumptions prove your ignorance! Show me mine, I dare you!
Patient with me! *LOL*
Perhaps and I think this as well Paul has great knowledge, but he can still be wrong, as can I!
However I am sure that what I am saying is correct! Show me where I am wrong!
Provide valid information, not some second rated homepage! Books, homepages from accepted science institutions Runes etc.
I like to debate and I will change my tone towards Paul!
Perhaps he could, as senior members create a new thread where we could debate this? If he is interested!
I know the theory and it is flawed!
Hail and Kill
Balder
ps: A new reply!
Doh!
Ok I am sorry for being rude, that was never my intention! Perhaps my opening statement was harsh! But after that I THINK that I retaliated! Perhaps one or two pre emptive strikes!
[quote]
Balder, given your astounding level of ignorance
[/quote]
I am ignorant!
[quote]
who knows far more than you do, and who has been very patient with you so far
[/quote]
Who knows what this guy means! Be patient?
[quote]
It's stupid to expect our unargued acceptance of your literalist doctrine of fact
[/quote]
So I am stupid
[quote]
That is a Christo-Muslum process
[/quote]
Subliminal offence here! Calling me a Christian and a Muslim! No offence taken though!
[quote]
Perhaps you should study the history of the Norse.
[/quote]
Ignorant again!
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perhaps you should learn the history of the culture and the ancient world
[/quote]
Again!
[quote]
You shouls at least be aware of the roots of the words you choose to use
[/quote]
And again!
[quote]
you need a time out to settle down and stop preaching
[/quote]
Lecturing here! And calling me fanatic! Or at least a Preacher!
[quote]
Where is YOUR evidence to the facts you spew
[/quote]
And I spew!
This is just an illustration, that it goes both ways!
But again, all power to the mods, ill play nice! And rephrase from now on!
I am not here to make personal attacks! I can see that I have done so! So sorry please forgive me!
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Original post: Samhain
[QUOTE=Balder]
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Nordic mythology stands alone! I would agree that roman = Greek = Babylonian = Egyptian = Sumerian why? Because they originate from the same place!
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[/QUOTE]
No. Norse mythology does not stand alone. The Norse, were after all, a northern branch of the Germanic people, and Norse mythology should be considered a branch of German mythology, just as Old Norse is considered by linguists to be a branch of the Germanic languages.
And no, nobody else said that Roman, Greek, Babylonian, Egyptian and Sumerian are the same - they're not. Granted, the Sumerians appear to have greatly influenced the Babylonians who arose in the same area at a later date. But while the Sumerians may have influenced the Egyptians somewhat, Egyptian beliefs are very different. Egypt is, after all, an African country, and its mythos was shaped by the Nile and was influenced by contact with other Africans more that it was influenced by the distant Sumerians.
While Greece absorbed some Egyptian influences, the Greeks were Indo-Europeans who had more in common with the Romans, Celts and Germans than the Egyptians. Although the beliefs and practices of the Greeks had their own unique qualities, they fit the general Indo-European pattern. And while the Romans absorbed Greek mythology to an astonishing degree, they altered it to fit their own culture and combined it with their original beliefs to create something that was quite different from the Greek approach to mythology and religion.
I could go on and on, but I see little point. Perhaps in order to clarify your own point of view, you could provide some historical references for some of your earlier comments, such as the statement that the Vikings looted Egypt. Perhaps you have access to some history texts that the rest of us don't have.
[QUOTE=Balder]
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Nordic mythology stands alone! I would agree that roman = Greek = Babylonian = Egyptian = Sumerian why? Because they originate from the same place!
...........
[/QUOTE]
No. Norse mythology does not stand alone. The Norse, were after all, a northern branch of the Germanic people, and Norse mythology should be considered a branch of German mythology, just as Old Norse is considered by linguists to be a branch of the Germanic languages.
And no, nobody else said that Roman, Greek, Babylonian, Egyptian and Sumerian are the same - they're not. Granted, the Sumerians appear to have greatly influenced the Babylonians who arose in the same area at a later date. But while the Sumerians may have influenced the Egyptians somewhat, Egyptian beliefs are very different. Egypt is, after all, an African country, and its mythos was shaped by the Nile and was influenced by contact with other Africans more that it was influenced by the distant Sumerians.
While Greece absorbed some Egyptian influences, the Greeks were Indo-Europeans who had more in common with the Romans, Celts and Germans than the Egyptians. Although the beliefs and practices of the Greeks had their own unique qualities, they fit the general Indo-European pattern. And while the Romans absorbed Greek mythology to an astonishing degree, they altered it to fit their own culture and combined it with their original beliefs to create something that was quite different from the Greek approach to mythology and religion.
I could go on and on, but I see little point. Perhaps in order to clarify your own point of view, you could provide some historical references for some of your earlier comments, such as the statement that the Vikings looted Egypt. Perhaps you have access to some history texts that the rest of us don't have.