IIH: Step 2 !!!

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RockDemon wrote:Come on, zodiac is not that mundane to have best or worst signs. Each sign has it's vices and virtues.
True! It's just nice to consider what mainstream people think in general among all the things we consider in researching our topics.
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RockDemon wrote: Autosuggestions.
How do you practice this? Do you do this in a modern way - with a recording and earphones or the traditional way as Bardon says it? In my opinion the traditional way is better.
I do not use a string of beads yet, to count. Instead I do this for instance "I am conscious all the time 1, I am conscious all the time 2 ... I am conscious all the time 40". But probably doing it with the string is better, isn't it ?
It's fine to count, but using a string of beads has its own benefits. You can also get or make a mala in a more traditional manner. I made this one for short practices like the one Bardon is teaching here.
RockDemon wrote: About the phrase. So one of my negative traits is being not attentive, forgetting things, misplacing things and so on. I found out that these happen because I am usually not conscious, I wander in my own thoughts, daydream and so on. So the phrase "I am aware/conscious all the time" is probably going to work? It seems to work so far for a few days, but can you think of anything better?
And is it okay to use english phrases if it is not my mother tongue. I don't have any problems with English language. I sometimes daydream and think in English as well.
That phrase works. Technically, "I am aware" by itself works just fine, because the "all the time" bit is implied by the present tense. As a general rule, when practicing hypnosis (on others or yourself), always use present tense. Never past tense (I did), never future tense (you will), only present tense command form.

I am at peace.
I am aware.
I am healthy.
I am disciplined.
I am strong.
I am intelligent.
I am Magus.

Or on others.

You are at peace.
You are aware.
You are healthy.

Or more common hypnosis / suggestion on others phrases.

Cigarettes taste terrible. (not "you will no longer enjoy smoking," not "you will not smoke anymore," present tense command form)
Stop eating when you are full.
Eat when you are hungry.
Enjoy long walks, observing the scenery.
You are healthy.

And, because I can't help it...

These are not the droids you are looking for.

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RockDemon wrote: The Mental Training
So as I get from reading the step 2 and the commentaries one does the sensational exercises step by step and not the same time. In the commentaries it is also stated that the first sensory training is going to take around a 6 month, and the other ones around 2 months. And the student should start with his strongest faculty.
It will take as long as it takes. Don't rush, don't spend too much time on it. When you complete the requirements, you are ready to move on. You can start with whatever faculty you wish, but all of the imagination senses should be developed equally before moving on much further.
RockDemon wrote: I started to do the visualization exercise these 2 days, however since I am a musician I guess my strongest sense is the hearing. So yesterday I experimented with it. In fact I am able to hear the sound of the clock, whenever I want to in just a matter of seconds. I am able to produce and listen to whole songs and complex melodies in my mind. Yesterday when I was in a noisy public transport I managed to play my phone's ringtone (android's backroad) in around 10 -20 minutes uninterrupted, and I could go on, it just reached my bus stop. I can do the same with the clock sound, and any sound I guess, (I'll experiment some more). I will probably have just some difficulties to not visualize anything along the sound, but so far that hasn't been much of a problem. So isn't that exactly what is expected in this step or am I missing something?
You pretty much have it there. Just do the same with the other senses.
RockDemon wrote: The Physical Training
Please describe the conscious pore breathing in your words. How does it feel? I get this kind of cold, more like chilly and refreshing feeling of the air around my skin.
It actually feels different depending on where I do it. In polluted areas or a place with a toxic atmosphere, physically or magically, pore breathing is very constrictive and even painful sometimes. In a healthier atmosphere, it's sometimes warm and sometimes cool (depending on the flow of the electromagnetic fluids and elements and tons of stuff), but usually refreshing. To more than just my skin, since I myself inhale all the way to my bones and marrow to breathe air and energy into every cell that I can. :)



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Yaay Shinichi you replied to this post as well [yay]
Shinichi wrote:It's fine to count, but using a string of beads has its own benefits. You can also get or make a mala in a more traditional manner. I made this one for short practices like the one Bardon is teaching here.
Yes!! I've got a mala as well as you can see in the other post!
Shinichi wrote:That phrase works. Technically, "I am aware" by itself works just fine, because the "all the time" bit is implied by the present tense. As a general rule, when practicing hypnosis (on others or yourself), always use present tense. Never past tense (I did), never future tense (you will), only present tense command form.
Haha.. I should have guessed that... By the way what about negations?
Shinichi wrote:Cigarettes taste terrible. (not "you will no longer enjoy smoking," not "you will not smoke anymore," present tense command form)
Stop eating when you are full.
Eat when you are hungry.
Enjoy long walks, observing the scener
Won't these work on the self as well?

Or adding the 'I' so that it becomes 'I eat when I am hungry' is better?
Shinichi wrote:It actually feels different depending on where I do it. In polluted areas or a place with a toxic atmosphere, physically or magically, pore breathing is very constrictive and even painful sometimes. In a healthier atmosphere, it's sometimes warm and sometimes cool (depending on the flow of the electromagnetic fluids and elements and tons of stuff), but usually refreshing. To more than just my skin, since I myself inhale all the way to my bones and marrow to breathe air and energy into every cell that I can.
Yes. And one more thing ... do we pore breath all the time? Or it is only when I consciously tell my pores to breathe?

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RockDemon wrote: Haha.. I should have guessed that... By the way what about negations?
The universe does not understand negatives. If you said "I am not sick" in your spell, then all the universe hears is "I" and "sick." Target (I or You, Him or Them or It) + Quality (Sick, Healthy, Peace, Anger).

The Universal Language is abstract and conceptual. It's the same with basic telepathy (such as telepathy with most animals, or unskilled telepathy among humans). The information exchanged is usually images, ideas, concepts. Abstractions. Language, as we understand it in daily life, is a very imperfect means of communication in that regard, and this is also why it is almost impossible to lie to or deceive a telepath or genuine clairvoyant. You don't think and feel in negatives. If you are angry, you can relax your expressions and look calm outside, but you don't feel "not angry," you only feel "angry." If you are jealous, then there is no emotional negative communicated, you simply project jealousy into the universe.

That's why you always use present tense command form in autosuggestion and other forms of hypnosis, as well as spell work in general. The universal language has no negatives.
RockDemon wrote: Won't these work on the self as well?

Or adding the 'I' so that it becomes 'I eat when I am hungry' is better?
Simple issue of Target. "I" establishes yourself as the recipient of the Qualities you are utilizing, "You" establishes the person you are speaking to as the recipient. You can also establish this Target nonverbally, but in Autosuggestion in particular, saying "I" just makes things easier most of the time.

RockDemon wrote: Yes. And one more thing ... do we pore breath all the time? Or it is only when I consciously tell my pores to breathe?
Most people do not. You breathe through your lungs. With training, you can develop the habit of breathing through your pores all the time just as you can develop The Complete Breath as a habit, but there's generally little reason to pore breathe all the time especially if you exercise The Complete Breathe properly.



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Ok Shin, you've made almost everything clear here. Thanks just one more thing.
Shinichi wrote:Most people do not. You breathe through your lungs. With training, you can develop the habit of breathing through your pores all the time just as you can develop The Complete Breath as a habit, but there's generally little reason to pore breathe all the time especially if you exercise The Complete Breathe properly.
You do not mean that The Yogi Psychic breath is a substitute for the pore breathing ?

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RockDemon wrote: You do not mean that The Yogi Psychic breath is a substitute for the pore breathing ?
Nope. [thumbup]

The Psychic Breath is more analogous to Conscious Breathing. Pore Breathing is something very specifically related to breathing through the skin, and it's documented in several old Qi Gong texts even besides the Yoga sources that Bardon probably drew on.



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Thank you Shinichi! [yay]

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