Original post: jakep
I've read donald tyson's "sexual alchemy" and found it absolutely fascinating, descriptive, etc...although it is a bit worrysome to me that Tyson says something to the effect that "spirits get jealous and can cause things to happen in daily life", has anyone other than kirk had these problems...i would love to try this, but i dont want to put my "daily life" into jeopardy...
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Original post: comfy_chair
From my own experience the best advice I could give anyone with concerns like yours, jakep, is to *personalize* mythology. This includes not only creation, hero driven, and end of the world stuff, but how "spirits" are supposed to behave and whatnot. Look at magick from this perspective, and be ready to blow off a lot of what occult writers have to say.
From my own experience the best advice I could give anyone with concerns like yours, jakep, is to *personalize* mythology. This includes not only creation, hero driven, and end of the world stuff, but how "spirits" are supposed to behave and whatnot. Look at magick from this perspective, and be ready to blow off a lot of what occult writers have to say.
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Original post: Chahel
Caution: this is weird.
The only time I can remember that this happened was one day when I decided to nap. I found myself out of body and just rummaging around in a room in my apartment. For some reason, don't ask, I had two full beds in my bedroom. I looked out from my room and saw two of me, one on each bed. In the one where my physical body had fallen asleep, everything seemed normal. In the other bed, there was a watery clear spirit (roughly humanoid) rubbing itself against me and I presume getting off on the whole thing. I was clothed. When I came closer to get a good look, I "knew" that the body that it was on was having a sexual dream. I could see what was going on in the dream. I tried to get rid of the weird watery thing, but I couldn't banish it until I entered that body and did it.
I'm not interested in doing the sex thing, but I am intrigued with the separation thing. Trying to repeat the experience (sans the sex) hasn't panned out.
Caution: this is weird.
The only time I can remember that this happened was one day when I decided to nap. I found myself out of body and just rummaging around in a room in my apartment. For some reason, don't ask, I had two full beds in my bedroom. I looked out from my room and saw two of me, one on each bed. In the one where my physical body had fallen asleep, everything seemed normal. In the other bed, there was a watery clear spirit (roughly humanoid) rubbing itself against me and I presume getting off on the whole thing. I was clothed. When I came closer to get a good look, I "knew" that the body that it was on was having a sexual dream. I could see what was going on in the dream. I tried to get rid of the weird watery thing, but I couldn't banish it until I entered that body and did it.
I'm not interested in doing the sex thing, but I am intrigued with the separation thing. Trying to repeat the experience (sans the sex) hasn't panned out.
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Original post: sigynsif
Chahel wrote:
That's ok, Chahel
Weirdness is permitted here, even encouraged....
Chahel wrote:
Caution: this is weird.
That's ok, Chahel
Weirdness is permitted here, even encouraged....-
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[QUOTE=sigynsif]That's ok, Chahel Weirdness is permitted here, even encouraged....[/QUOTE]Thanks sigynsif. Too bad I'm still not brave enough to describe what the dwarf and transvestite were doing in the dream...
[QUOTE=sigynsif]That's ok, Chahel
Weirdness is permitted here, even encouraged....[/QUOTE]Thanks sigynsif. Too bad I'm still not brave enough to describe what the dwarf and transvestite were doing in the dream...-
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Original post: theblackpeacock
haha.
i had a dream my mom was astarte ( i know from the henna) and there was some satanic priecher there doing the whole evangelical "oh satan my lord," and , "can i get an amen (or an ave? id unno)" type of shit in front of some tree. Everything was black and then i woke up. You know how in wet dreams you get wet and then you wake up? This was the opposite because i woke up, sat around for a couple seconds while i was awake and the waterworks got let out.
It was a scary experience and i was fuckin tired, but it was quite intriguing. Something makes me think this wasnt just a dream, but i wish astarte (or whomever) coulda left my mom out of it...
haha.
i had a dream my mom was astarte ( i know from the henna) and there was some satanic priecher there doing the whole evangelical "oh satan my lord," and , "can i get an amen (or an ave? id unno)" type of shit in front of some tree. Everything was black and then i woke up. You know how in wet dreams you get wet and then you wake up? This was the opposite because i woke up, sat around for a couple seconds while i was awake and the waterworks got let out.
It was a scary experience and i was fuckin tired, but it was quite intriguing. Something makes me think this wasnt just a dream, but i wish astarte (or whomever) coulda left my mom out of it...
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Original post: Chahel
[QUOTE=theblackpeacock]You know how in wet dreams you get wet and then you wake up? [/QUOTE]
Can't say that I have.
I am curious as to why you had an orgasm, though. Your post didn't mention anything that was sexual, at least to me.
[QUOTE=theblackpeacock]You know how in wet dreams you get wet and then you wake up? [/QUOTE]
Can't say that I have. I am curious as to why you had an orgasm, though. Your post didn't mention anything that was sexual, at least to me.
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Original post: Kuroyagi
kirk88: I have only started w magic last year. then I was 29- and its very funny and exciting to see how different teenagers take on these things. I had sexual encounters w entities while sleeping but that was before I got control over my dreams- I wont let any thing get close to me now of course and would never buy all the crap they promise (all they could promise even insights and knowledge I can already obtain myself directly)- Im not as open to the world anymore as you were (and I was/would have been at that age), somehow Im already lacking the innocence and blue eyedness- Im cursed w intuitive knowledge without having experienced it, and reading your post I feel like someone who never went to parties when young and is now regretting the fun he has missed out on :lol: (anyway everyone has his life â??so in this one Ill primarily stick to my own kind, I guess- until I meet someone more corresponding to my capacity than demons or gods that is) damn, I feel old
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kirk88: I have only started w magic last year. then I was 29- and its very funny and exciting to see how different teenagers take on these things. I had sexual encounters w entities while sleeping but that was before I got control over my dreams- I wont let any thing get close to me now of course and would never buy all the crap they promise (all they could promise even insights and knowledge I can already obtain myself directly)- Im not as open to the world anymore as you were (and I was/would have been at that age), somehow Im already lacking the innocence and blue eyedness- Im cursed w intuitive knowledge without having experienced it, and reading your post I feel like someone who never went to parties when young and is now regretting the fun he has missed out on :lol: (anyway everyone has his life â??so in this one Ill primarily stick to my own kind, I guess- until I meet someone more corresponding to my capacity than demons or gods that is) damn, I feel old
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Original post: theblackpeacock
[QUOTE=Chahel] Can't say that I have.
I am curious as to why you had an orgasm, though. Your post didn't mention anything that was sexual, at least to me.[/QUOTE]
that's the wierd part!
[QUOTE=Chahel]
Can't say that I have. I am curious as to why you had an orgasm, though. Your post didn't mention anything that was sexual, at least to me.[/QUOTE]
that's the wierd part!
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I read the "Conjuring a Spirit Lover" by Set-Ma'at thread which was the directed to this thread. I haven't conjurned any spirit lovers....but I do have a priest/lover, something that started in my dreams, went into my meditations and actually manifested as an incarnate friend, whom I practice Tantric Rituals with...we've become very close friends/lovers.
I read the "Conjuring a Spirit Lover" by Set-Ma'at thread which was the directed to this thread. I haven't conjurned any spirit lovers....but I do have a priest/lover, something that started in my dreams, went into my meditations and actually manifested as an incarnate friend, whom I practice Tantric Rituals with...we've become very close friends/lovers.
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I was wondering if anyone had tried this method.
§ 1. Preparation
Abstain for three days from the hidden offices, and then shall your spirit be fortified. On the fourth day, you shall cleanse and prepare your chamber as soon as it is morning, immediately after dressing, the whole fasting. But see you do it in such a way that it will not be liable to disarrangement during the remainder of the day. Note that there must be no hangings, nor anything set crosswise, no tapestries, no hanging clothes, hats, bird-cages, bed curtains, &c. Above all, let the appointments be clean in every respect.
§ 2. Ceremony
After supper pass in secret to your chamber, made ready as above; kindle a good fire; place a white cloth on the table, round which set three chairs, and before each chair, upon the
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table, let there be a wheaten roll and a glass full of fresh clear water. Lastly, draw up a chair and settee to the side of the bed and retire to rest, uttering the following
CONJURATION
Besticitum consolatio, veni ad me vertat Creon, Creon, Creon, cantor laudem omnipotentis et non commentur. Stat superior carta bient laudem omviestra principiem da montem et inimicos meos ô prostantis vobis et mihi dantes que passium fieri sincisibus.
The three persons, having arrived, will rest themselves near the fire, drinking, eating and finally thanking him or her who has entertained them; for if it be a young lady who performs this ceremony, three gentlemen will come; but if it be a man, three young ladies will appear. The said three persons will draw lots among each other to know which of them shall remain with you. If a man be the operator, she who wins will place herself in the arm-chair which you have set by the bed, and she will remain and commune with you until midnight, at which hour she will depart with her companions, without any need of dismissal. As regards the two others, they will keep themselves by the fire, while the other entertains you. So long as she remains you may question her upon any art or science, or upon what subject soever, and she will immediately give you a positive answer. You may also inquire of her whether she is aware of any hidden treasure, and she will instruct you as to its locality and the precise time suited to its removal. She will even appear there with her companions to defend you against the assaults of the Infernal Spirits who may have it in their possession. At parting, she will present you with a ring, which, worn on the finger, will render you lucky at play, while if it be placed upon the finger of any woman or girl, you shall there p. 304
and then have your will with them. Observe, however, that you must leave your window open in order that they may enter.
This ceremony may be repeated frequently at the will of the operator.
I was wondering if anyone had tried this method.
§ 1. Preparation
Abstain for three days from the hidden offices, and then shall your spirit be fortified. On the fourth day, you shall cleanse and prepare your chamber as soon as it is morning, immediately after dressing, the whole fasting. But see you do it in such a way that it will not be liable to disarrangement during the remainder of the day. Note that there must be no hangings, nor anything set crosswise, no tapestries, no hanging clothes, hats, bird-cages, bed curtains, &c. Above all, let the appointments be clean in every respect.
§ 2. Ceremony
After supper pass in secret to your chamber, made ready as above; kindle a good fire; place a white cloth on the table, round which set three chairs, and before each chair, upon the
p. 303
table, let there be a wheaten roll and a glass full of fresh clear water. Lastly, draw up a chair and settee to the side of the bed and retire to rest, uttering the following
CONJURATION
Besticitum consolatio, veni ad me vertat Creon, Creon, Creon, cantor laudem omnipotentis et non commentur. Stat superior carta bient laudem omviestra principiem da montem et inimicos meos ô prostantis vobis et mihi dantes que passium fieri sincisibus.
The three persons, having arrived, will rest themselves near the fire, drinking, eating and finally thanking him or her who has entertained them; for if it be a young lady who performs this ceremony, three gentlemen will come; but if it be a man, three young ladies will appear. The said three persons will draw lots among each other to know which of them shall remain with you. If a man be the operator, she who wins will place herself in the arm-chair which you have set by the bed, and she will remain and commune with you until midnight, at which hour she will depart with her companions, without any need of dismissal. As regards the two others, they will keep themselves by the fire, while the other entertains you. So long as she remains you may question her upon any art or science, or upon what subject soever, and she will immediately give you a positive answer. You may also inquire of her whether she is aware of any hidden treasure, and she will instruct you as to its locality and the precise time suited to its removal. She will even appear there with her companions to defend you against the assaults of the Infernal Spirits who may have it in their possession. At parting, she will present you with a ring, which, worn on the finger, will render you lucky at play, while if it be placed upon the finger of any woman or girl, you shall there p. 304
and then have your will with them. Observe, however, that you must leave your window open in order that they may enter.
This ceremony may be repeated frequently at the will of the operator.
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[QUOTE=GnosisX]I was wondering if anyone had tried this method.
§ 1. Preparation
Abstain for three days from the hidden offices, and then shall your spirit be fortified. On the fourth day, you shall cleanse and prepare your chamber as soon as it is morning, immediately after dressing, the whole fasting. But see you do it in such a way that it will not be liable to disarrangement during the remainder of the day. Note that there must be no hangings, nor anything set crosswise, no tapestries, no hanging clothes, hats, bird-cages, bed curtains, &c. Above all, let the appointments be clean in every respect.
§ 2. Ceremony
After supper pass in secret to your chamber, made ready as above; kindle a good fire; place a white cloth on the table, round which set three chairs, and before each chair, upon the
p. 303
table, let there be a wheaten roll and a glass full of fresh clear water. Lastly, draw up a chair and settee to the side of the bed and retire to rest, uttering the following
CONJURATION
Besticitum consolatio, veni ad me vertat Creon, Creon, Creon, cantor laudem omnipotentis et non commentur. Stat superior carta bient laudem omviestra principiem da montem et inimicos meos ô prostantis vobis et mihi dantes que passium fieri sincisibus.
The three persons, having arrived, will rest themselves near the fire, drinking, eating and finally thanking him or her who has entertained them; for if it be a young lady who performs this ceremony, three gentlemen will come; but if it be a man, three young ladies will appear. The said three persons will draw lots among each other to know which of them shall remain with you. If a man be the operator, she who wins will place herself in the arm-chair which you have set by the bed, and she will remain and commune with you until midnight, at which hour she will depart with her companions, without any need of dismissal. As regards the two others, they will keep themselves by the fire, while the other entertains you. So long as she remains you may question her upon any art or science, or upon what subject soever, and she will immediately give you a positive answer. You may also inquire of her whether she is aware of any hidden treasure, and she will instruct you as to its locality and the precise time suited to its removal. She will even appear there with her companions to defend you against the assaults of the Infernal Spirits who may have it in their possession. At parting, she will present you with a ring, which, worn on the finger, will render you lucky at play, while if it be placed upon the finger of any woman or girl, you shall there p. 304
and then have your will with them. Observe, however, that you must leave your window open in order that they may enter.
This ceremony may be repeated frequently at the will of the operator.[/QUOTE]
Nope, never, should work though. Let us know your results
Nice to see someone is reading the old grimoires.
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[QUOTE=GnosisX]I was wondering if anyone had tried this method.
§ 1. Preparation
Abstain for three days from the hidden offices, and then shall your spirit be fortified. On the fourth day, you shall cleanse and prepare your chamber as soon as it is morning, immediately after dressing, the whole fasting. But see you do it in such a way that it will not be liable to disarrangement during the remainder of the day. Note that there must be no hangings, nor anything set crosswise, no tapestries, no hanging clothes, hats, bird-cages, bed curtains, &c. Above all, let the appointments be clean in every respect.
§ 2. Ceremony
After supper pass in secret to your chamber, made ready as above; kindle a good fire; place a white cloth on the table, round which set three chairs, and before each chair, upon the
p. 303
table, let there be a wheaten roll and a glass full of fresh clear water. Lastly, draw up a chair and settee to the side of the bed and retire to rest, uttering the following
CONJURATION
Besticitum consolatio, veni ad me vertat Creon, Creon, Creon, cantor laudem omnipotentis et non commentur. Stat superior carta bient laudem omviestra principiem da montem et inimicos meos ô prostantis vobis et mihi dantes que passium fieri sincisibus.
The three persons, having arrived, will rest themselves near the fire, drinking, eating and finally thanking him or her who has entertained them; for if it be a young lady who performs this ceremony, three gentlemen will come; but if it be a man, three young ladies will appear. The said three persons will draw lots among each other to know which of them shall remain with you. If a man be the operator, she who wins will place herself in the arm-chair which you have set by the bed, and she will remain and commune with you until midnight, at which hour she will depart with her companions, without any need of dismissal. As regards the two others, they will keep themselves by the fire, while the other entertains you. So long as she remains you may question her upon any art or science, or upon what subject soever, and she will immediately give you a positive answer. You may also inquire of her whether she is aware of any hidden treasure, and she will instruct you as to its locality and the precise time suited to its removal. She will even appear there with her companions to defend you against the assaults of the Infernal Spirits who may have it in their possession. At parting, she will present you with a ring, which, worn on the finger, will render you lucky at play, while if it be placed upon the finger of any woman or girl, you shall there p. 304
and then have your will with them. Observe, however, that you must leave your window open in order that they may enter.
This ceremony may be repeated frequently at the will of the operator.[/QUOTE]
Nope, never, should work though. Let us know your results
Nice to see someone is reading the old grimoires.
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Original post: OipTeaaPdoce
As far as spirit lovers go, I had a very interesting experience a few times. I had evoked a certain entity a number of times and learned quite a bit from them. One night while I was asleep I had one of those really vivid, more real then reaity sort of dreams, where we were having sex. Well I woke up completely and we continued. THe entity felt as physical as any person. We continued for quite some time. Why I did not open my eyes I don't know, but the time I did, I could not perceive anyone there; this was afterwards. It was very dark though. It was some amazing sex!
So I of course called up this particular being several more times for the same reasons , but since they are very very martial, I would always end up far too martial for a day or so afterwards LOL, so I finally basically stopped calling them for sex. They never did appear quite as physical as the first time again though.
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As far as spirit lovers go, I had a very interesting experience a few times. I had evoked a certain entity a number of times and learned quite a bit from them. One night while I was asleep I had one of those really vivid, more real then reaity sort of dreams, where we were having sex. Well I woke up completely and we continued. THe entity felt as physical as any person. We continued for quite some time. Why I did not open my eyes I don't know, but the time I did, I could not perceive anyone there; this was afterwards. It was very dark though. It was some amazing sex!
So I of course called up this particular being several more times for the same reasons , but since they are very very martial, I would always end up far too martial for a day or so afterwards LOL, so I finally basically stopped calling them for sex. They never did appear quite as physical as the first time again though.
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When the grimores say Abstain for three days from the hidden offices or Abstain for three days from drawing mercury, what does that mean?