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Original post: Sakura-kun
Ya know I read stuff like this and have to ask myself, "How can people actually believe this kind of bullshit?"
Sometimes I wonder why I was in it too. Yech. They have a few quasi neo-nazi groups, and some groups divided by race. The Ministries "public" forum is basically anything Maxine/Willard/Keon/Salem sent to it that is of some importantce to the members, so you don't have to go through a bunch of "I saw Orobas and he killed a angel in fron of me what should I do?" posts. It has Himmler as the forum picture. I hear there are a few secret groups, obviously I've never seen them except for one, which wasn't affiliated with the JOS. If you go on Dann's site, there's a forum link there I believe, It's called SIJOS. It get's pretty funny in there. :D

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You left. That's more important.

It's outside of OF's sphere of activity I but someone should do a good profile on these yutzes outling their history, belief and out and out BS peddling of pseudo-satanic nonsense to try and attract young people into their lunatic fold.

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Hum.. .. :P Hah.

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[QUOTE=zeta.omega;258751]Thats really pathetic and childish of you. I realize that it wont matter much to anyone, but you've just seriously lost my respect. He didn't lose to anyone, he was doing quite well. He probably just got tired of argueing. I do it all the time, could go on longer but whats the use, right? No one was listening to what the other was saying in this spat. The fact that Eradark comes back again the post down is sad too.[/QUOTE]Eh it's my style, I tend to be an ass.

In real life I wouldn't accept an apology especially considering I have never see any point in apologizing for one's beliefs. At the end however I've seen real life josers and how they harassed a Jewish friend of mine claiming it's "part of satanism to hate Jews". Yeah after an experience like that you wouldn't expect me to treat these guys with any kind of respect.

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[QUOTE=Sakura-kun;258780]Hello, well I'm new to the forums, and I decided to sign on today...And I come across this. Well, I'm an ex-Josser myself. One of the members of Dann's groups so kindly helped me out of that garbage, so if there's any questions I might be able to help. :) (Yes I know the mudslinging part is over, lol)



That's supposed to be the point. That Satan is SOMEHOW Enki, and all these Demons are actually ancient gods. A lot of people seem to either agree or disagree with this, and state Satan is also Pan, Cernnunos(sp), Poseidon, etc. It goes on and on, depending on the person. According to Maxine, Jews are Reptilian/human hybrids. When asked how this is possible in one of her Neo-Nazi groups, considering most Jews now a days are of Eastern European decendacy, she said her husband would answer it, but never did. You know, I've heard actual ethnic Jews are related to the Palestinians and so to the Caananites, but I'd have to dig that up if it's wanted. Remember, just because Rodney Dangerfield's got bulgey eyes doesn't mean he's part space-alien! :rolleyes:



Right. But JoS takes the more Christian root to it, that Satan is the adversary of Yahweh(who happens to be an energy vortex in the astral that sucks up christian souls).



According to her he's Shamash the Sun God.



According to her, Thoth and Set are two of Satan's sons. She also believes EVERY god hates the Jews, because they made christianity...Although they never really cared much for Jesus...And the were prosicuted under Christians too...And somehow they made Islam, too I guess. Seems a bit silly when it doesn't really seem to help them out much at all.:)

Any other questions, I'll answer the best I can. Without arguing.[/QUOTE]

Thank for clearing that up. I know I said I read the site, but only a little. My head started to hurt after awhile. I really don't see how any one could believe that. At lest some of you came to your senses.

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I can understand why some Satanists would hate all Jews, as a Satanist I've been oppressed by Judaism as much as Christianity, but they should look at things with a more open mind.

I think Stanton LaVey, Dr. LaVey's grandson, should take over his place as leader of the Church of Satan and then we'd have organized Satanism with no hypocrisy.

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Stanton Lavey seems like a fun guy to go to a club with but he's not exactly the fountain of wisdom and magick....he's...lol actually got a reputation as a bit of a non-occultist by quite a few very intelligent Satanists around. I think he's cool but it'd be a cold day on the sun before you'd ever catch me following him - and didn't you know, he's not into organized Satanic clubs himself - I respect him for that.

Yay organized Satanism, sounds really...lame.

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thats funny cause i read on his myspace that he wanted to run the church of satan

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Im sure he'd like to, but as the lovely Miss Chan has pointed out, he lacks the Grey matter;)

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satanism is too individualistic too have organised groups,with it would come dogma(though some is good for ritual),a herd mentality,and fees for knowledge or membership

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aight maybe i should state this better, by organized satanism i mean satanists getting together to pool their emotional and spiritual energy like Anton LaVey talks aout, not any kind of hierarchy or fees

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http://www.modernchurchofsatan has a good satanic community with rituals and philosophy also. join the infernal order.

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it doesnt exactly give an explaination on "how" to join???

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go under grotto forum

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What so you sign up to the forum and thats it??

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its just for dicussion like this forum

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messiah of sin;259270 wrote:I can understand why some Satanists would hate all Jews, as a Satanist I've been oppressed by Judaism as much as Christianity, but they should look at things with a more open mind.

I think Stanton LaVey, Dr. LaVey's grandson, should take over his place as leader of the Church of Satan and then we'd have organized Satanism with no hypocrisy.
Care to be specific about this alleged hypocrisy? What qualities do you see Stanton as having?

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And joining the forum makes you part of the infernal order?

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On the game of "Who should be in charge" I tend to follow Dead Tony's idea.

He felt the best qualified person to take his place was Boyd Rice.

Boyd Rice felt the Church of Satan without Anton would be a waste of his time and went his own way.

Sums up the story pretty easily.

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yea unofficially,after you make it through the Libertine ranks you may request official membership

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natas666;259549 wrote:yea unofficially,after you make it through the Libertine ranks you may request official membership
Ah Netanism...

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Skeptismo118;259547 wrote:On the game of "Who should be in charge" I tend to follow Dead Tony's idea.

He felt the best qualified person to take his place was Boyd Rice.

Boyd Rice felt the Church of Satan without Anton would be a waste of his time and went his own way.

Sums up the story pretty easily.
I think that Boyd would be the most qualified, Gilmore strikes me as a bit clerkish. He's got no pop.

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Thorn;259580 wrote:I think that Boyd would be the most qualified, Gilmore strikes me as a bit clerkish. He's got no pop.
The people that Tony wanted to take over for him all turn it down, then Blanche stepped in and when it got to be too much for her the only one left was Happy Gilmore.

He's a good example of "The Peter Principle" in action.

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[QUOTE=eradark;257472]Don't swollow everything you read on the internet. To me, it sounds like a lot of BS what he wrote. It does seem believable, doesn't it? It doesn't mean it's true. If there would be no Jewdaism, there would be no Christianity or Islam. People should be against judaism as much as they are against christianity if not more. No, I don't see a problem with anti-semitism in satanism. Just like I don't see a problem with anti-christianity in satanism. So what is the problem you speak of ? Your obviously don't understand nazism to begin with thus you call it narrow minded. When in fact the opposite is true. As for "there are plenty of neo-nazi sites you can piss off to" comment. I'll take it as sarcasm. Obviously the narrow mindedness applies to yourself. So what other righteous, ethically-correct dogma are you going to spout? :)[/QUOTE]

It's one thing to have problems with religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam. It's another thing to dislike an entire group of people who are associated culturally with one of these these religions . The adjective "Jewish" can refer to a religion. It can also refer to an ethnic group. Not all Jews, ethnically speaking, practice the traditional monotheistic religion of their people or even share in a collective "Jewish" mentality. There are Christian Jews, atheist Jews, Satanist Jews, Pagan Jews, etc. There are Jews who oppose many of the policies of Israel, Jews who are non-religious or liberally religious and Jews who would support YOU in your quest to live your life without interference despite your unwillingness apparently to do the same.

Anti-semitism is about hating/disliking an entire group of people. It is not just about hating or disliking a religion. You seem to be confused on this point. Rant all you want about Hebraic religion and its connection to Christianity and Islam. No problem. But it's really odd to me that someone like yourself, ostensibly interested in occult practices (which are connected in part to notions of individualism and self-responsibility) would seemingly refuse to acknowledge that Jews are individuals like yourself, and do not share a common mind regarding religion, human rights, ethnic identity, food, music, or what should be done with intolerant people like yourself in the larger scheme of things.

You're a Satanist, yes? Satanists eat babies, according to some historic misguided, fanatical and uninformed sources. Centuries ago this charge was also made against Jews. Can you not, as a Satanist, see the irony in this?


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