Tarot & the Qabala(h)

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Original post: Ilyat

Hello. Please be nice - it's my first time posting.

I have been trying to find information on how the 78 cards of the Tarot relate to the Qabala, specifically in their placement with regards to the Tree of Life. I've skimmed over some of the past threads on these forums, but have not found precisely what I am looking for.

The relation between the 22 paths and the 22 Major Arcana is already something I am familiar with, as well as the correlation between the 10 sephiroth and the various numerical cards and the royalty cards. (Such as #3, Binah, is where both the Threes and the Queens are placed.)

However, I am still uncertain as to how, precisely, the individual numerical cards (and the royalty cards) are arranged on the individual sephira. (Again with Binah, how exactly are the Threes placed with relation to one another in the different suit types, and how are the Queens placed with respect to them?)

I've gone over the following links, and while they all are extremely informative, they still don't address what I am looking for. Some of the better ones include:
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Tree_of_Life:Tarot
http://www.byzant.com/kabbalah/paths.asp
http://www.meta-religion.com/Esoterism/Kabbalah/tarot_and_the_kabbalah.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/yetzirah.htm
http://www.iloveulove.com/spirituality/kabbalah/kabbastrology.htm

I know that there is a diagram out there, somewhere, that fully illustrates all 78 cards (not just Major Arcana) on the Tree of Life, but I have not yet been able to track it down. Two possible books I've been suggested are Crowley's Liber 777 (in its varying releases) and Gilchrist's The Tree of Life Oracle (card and book set).

While I don't mind putting down $20+ on a good book, I would rather not do so if I already know in advance that it does not have the information I need. And, unfortunately, my current libarary also does not go into the details with the Minor Arcana.

Does anyone here know of where I might obtain a copy of the 78-card diagram, or know of a book title that definitely contains it?

Many thanks in advance.

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Original post: Dracophoenix

Have you tried Barnes and Noble's used book section at http://www.bn.com or Amazon.Com's used book section at http://www.amazon.com? I have been able to get books that would normally cost $20 dollars or more for a whole lot less. Some of the books I've gotten from both sites have been brand new at a whole lot less. I also go to the places around town that have used and new books much cheaper than the suggested retail price as well. You can sometimes save up to 90% off the suggested retail price of a new book because of things such as overstock at such stores.

I hope this helps

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Original post: foxgemini

Crowley's Liber 777 is a lot like a text-dump of attributions, and really won't help with what you're looking for. However, if you're going to practice or are practicing CM, you must own a copy of Liber 777.

:-P If you would rather, you can take some Greek and Hebrew classes and do the gematria for over a thousand words, entity and deity names which are all included in that book. Honestly, you'd probably learn more about CM doing that than buying Liber 777 but it is extremely time-intensive. And I'm not trying to make fun.

The other one I've never heard of. Maybe a copy of Wang's Qabalistic Tarot would be a good purchase? I got a lot of Qabala learned with that and the flashing scale Cicero deck. I'd send you mine, but I no longer have them.

Those two items are extremely expensive, so in lieu of that, have you read Mystical Qabala by Dion Fortune yet? Its not going to map out the cards on the Tree the way you'd like, but it is a great starter book (I have no idea what your skill level is, and I apologize) and I've seen copies for as little as 3 or 4 dollars at a half-priced book store. Again, I'd be happy to send you mine if I had it.

Another good book for Tarot is David Allen Hulse's Western Mysteries. You can often find that one for 6 or 7 dollars at a half-priced bookstore. It is basically an encyclopedia, and DAH is extremely dry, but it is a great reference tool for CM, kind of like the Crowley. Don't buy that one new, they charge an astronomical amount for it.

Honestly, when I was doing CM, I felt that I should just start tithing ten percent to Weiser and Llewellyn. The tools and the books are not cheap. The problem with bargain-hunting is that you can only buy what is a bargain, and it makes your library a bit on the spotty side. I understand not having money. When I was doing CM I used to overdraw my checking account fairly frequently buying that book I just HAD to have.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Tim.

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Original post: foxgemini

P.S. I'm really not trying to be nasty... I'm only teasing a little...

Tim.

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Original post: Ilyat

Thanks for the input! I'll try checking out those books, especially Qabalistic Tarot & Western Mysteries. (I'm only a step or two up from apprentice on Tarot knowledge, but I do have a very solid grasp of the basics and a fair understanding of a number of the more advanced concepts.)

If I do manage to find the diagram at some point, I'll go ahead and put it up here in case others are interesetd.