Original post: hitman777
I thought that this would be the appropriate forum to post this on.
I am looking for further information on the wendigo or windigo, meaning more than the information I am currently finding online or in books. I'm also wondering if anybody has attempted to contact or make use of this interesting spirit/creature. Any information would be greatly appreciated, and if you don't feel comfortable discussing this in here, then feel free to PM me.
I am looking more into the small amount of American Indian heritage that I have, but unfortunately, to my knowledge, the tribes that part of the family is descended from or through, whichever word is the correct one, doesn't have any extent knowledge on the Wendigo, which I am interested in now. The tribes I've found out that I have genetic links to from my mother's side are Sioux and Cherokee, and my brother says possibly Apache.
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Original post: She Demon Wolf
I know a teeny bit about the Wendigo, but only second hand through knowing someone who was closely connected to such a spirit.
What I gleaned was that they were shapeshifters. I'm not sure if this was much mentioned in actual myth, but it's prefered forms tended to be carnivorous animals, such as wolf, bear, or carrion eaters like crow/raven. This seems to tie into the 'skin-walker' myths.
I also think they aint so much evil as missunderstood. I mean, yeah...they eat human flesh, but I think they are some sort of manifestation of an angry, destructive Nature maybe. I may be wrong...as I said, what I know is all second hand knowledge.
I know a teeny bit about the Wendigo, but only second hand through knowing someone who was closely connected to such a spirit.
What I gleaned was that they were shapeshifters. I'm not sure if this was much mentioned in actual myth, but it's prefered forms tended to be carnivorous animals, such as wolf, bear, or carrion eaters like crow/raven. This seems to tie into the 'skin-walker' myths.
I also think they aint so much evil as missunderstood. I mean, yeah...they eat human flesh, but I think they are some sort of manifestation of an angry, destructive Nature maybe. I may be wrong...as I said, what I know is all second hand knowledge.
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Original post: LadyHydralisk
Sioux=Lakota
Wendigos are probably just storm gods....lots of those around....they arn't too friendly, unless maybe you appease them somehow with sacrifice of a kind...then I suppose you could rain down destruction on a neighbor....
Sioux=Lakota
Wendigos are probably just storm gods....lots of those around....they arn't too friendly, unless maybe you appease them somehow with sacrifice of a kind...then I suppose you could rain down destruction on a neighbor....
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Original post: Semangelof
(the storm being's with a hundered hands each
(very handy) )...
Simular to the Hecatonchires?LadyHydralisk;297306 wrote:Sioux=Lakota
Wendigos are probably just storm gods....lots of those around....they arn't too friendly, unless maybe you appease them somehow with sacrifice of a kind...then I suppose you could rain down destruction on a neighbor....
(the storm being's with a hundered hands each
(very handy) )...
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Original post: hitman777
Okay, cool.
Wait, though.
So Sioux and Lakota are the same thing? Cool.
Would it be disrepectful to go about contacting the wendigo the same way I would other spirits?
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Okay, cool.
Wait, though.
So Sioux and Lakota are the same thing? Cool.
Would it be disrepectful to go about contacting the wendigo the same way I would other spirits?
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Original post: LadyHydralisk
no
Sioux is what outsiders called the Lakota
Lakota is about disrespect, so carry on son
middle finger up etc...
no
Sioux is what outsiders called the Lakota
Lakota is about disrespect, so carry on son
middle finger up etc...
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One question I have, too, for you hitman, is which people you are referring to? Many Native Americans believe in a wendigo or a wendigo like being that they call something else. If I'm correct, the term Wendigo actually started in the New England area with a since lost tribe. The term has been picked up by others as a harbinger of death, but I don't think that the intrepretation was exactly correct. So I think you have to look into which a variety of people's because they all have something similar, just not necessarily something called "wendigo". In fact, some may consider "wendigo" to be "skinwalker", but I don't know if that is necessarily true.
For accurate information, you may need to go to the source. After all, there is much more myth attributed by the white man on this particular aspect than there is that can be attributed to the peoples that started it (not that those who started it started a myth, just the idea that got misintrepreted). You can find a lot on the net, but how much is utter garbage and how much is real is truly questionable.
Edited to add: I don't believe that the Cherokee believe in Wendigo in the aspect that you are looking for. Just my thought.
One question I have, too, for you hitman, is which people you are referring to? Many Native Americans believe in a wendigo or a wendigo like being that they call something else. If I'm correct, the term Wendigo actually started in the New England area with a since lost tribe. The term has been picked up by others as a harbinger of death, but I don't think that the intrepretation was exactly correct. So I think you have to look into which a variety of people's because they all have something similar, just not necessarily something called "wendigo". In fact, some may consider "wendigo" to be "skinwalker", but I don't know if that is necessarily true.
For accurate information, you may need to go to the source. After all, there is much more myth attributed by the white man on this particular aspect than there is that can be attributed to the peoples that started it (not that those who started it started a myth, just the idea that got misintrepreted). You can find a lot on the net, but how much is utter garbage and how much is real is truly questionable.
Edited to add: I don't believe that the Cherokee believe in Wendigo in the aspect that you are looking for. Just my thought.
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Original post: Anathema_Oracle
The only Wendigo story I know is from a book on faerie tales. Apparently Alonquin from Canada or somesuch. How it follows a solitary hunter through the forest, calling out their name in familiar voices, tweaking their clothes and laughing maniacally until the hapless person runs screaming into the arms of oblivion.
I guess this tale puts the Wendigo in the story I read in the realm of a forest spirit with a bad sense of humor.
The only Wendigo story I know is from a book on faerie tales. Apparently Alonquin from Canada or somesuch. How it follows a solitary hunter through the forest, calling out their name in familiar voices, tweaking their clothes and laughing maniacally until the hapless person runs screaming into the arms of oblivion.
I guess this tale puts the Wendigo in the story I read in the realm of a forest spirit with a bad sense of humor.
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Original post: Jenfucius
Wendigos arnt gods. They are consider demonic like creatures.
(Yes I know this is an old post)LadyHydralisk;297306 wrote:Sioux=Lakota
Wendigos are probably just storm gods....lots of those around....they arn't too friendly, unless maybe you appease them somehow with sacrifice of a kind...then I suppose you could rain down destruction on a neighbor....
Wendigos arnt gods. They are consider demonic like creatures.
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Original post: alacardkane
this may be old, but Wendigos, from the mis fortunate times ive been even near them. are what you could call...
Very predatory.
They are shape shifters, tormentors and for the whole of it all, they feed on the maddening terror they create in their victims.
they will torment a person until, as said, they go running into the arms of oblivion.
but really, they are some kind of off nature spirit. just like anything else, they can be defeated. without a doubt they are vicious and near unrelenting. I would not suggest anyone try to take on a Wendigo without at least a group of five or more strong magicians, or especially shamanists.
this may be old, but Wendigos, from the mis fortunate times ive been even near them. are what you could call...
Very predatory.
They are shape shifters, tormentors and for the whole of it all, they feed on the maddening terror they create in their victims.
they will torment a person until, as said, they go running into the arms of oblivion.
but really, they are some kind of off nature spirit. just like anything else, they can be defeated. without a doubt they are vicious and near unrelenting. I would not suggest anyone try to take on a Wendigo without at least a group of five or more strong magicians, or especially shamanists.
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Original post: daecon
The wendigo legend that I heard painted them as the demon spirit of starvation and cannibalism. They can possess a person who is weakened by hunger, and make them desire to eat human flesh.
The wendigo legend that I heard painted them as the demon spirit of starvation and cannibalism. They can possess a person who is weakened by hunger, and make them desire to eat human flesh.
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Original post: Vindictus
Eh... I find wikipedia to be useful for looking stuff like this up. Anyway, summed up from this incredibly useful resource, a wendigo/windigo is a monstrous, emicated beast that eats human flesh. People can turn into wendigos if they eat human flesh for any reason, and generally any of the natives who believed they had 'caught' wendigoism would petition for execution so they wouldnt turn into one of theese beasts.
Also, there is a werewolfism like cultural psychosis that, although uncommon, apperently helped to perpetuate the belief in wendigos. Not really important, but figured I'd mention it.
So... Why are you interested in a psychotic/cannibal monster that posseses people?
Eh... I find wikipedia to be useful for looking stuff like this up. Anyway, summed up from this incredibly useful resource, a wendigo/windigo is a monstrous, emicated beast that eats human flesh. People can turn into wendigos if they eat human flesh for any reason, and generally any of the natives who believed they had 'caught' wendigoism would petition for execution so they wouldnt turn into one of theese beasts.
Also, there is a werewolfism like cultural psychosis that, although uncommon, apperently helped to perpetuate the belief in wendigos. Not really important, but figured I'd mention it.
So... Why are you interested in a psychotic/cannibal monster that posseses people?
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Original post: Draziw Latem
Oddly enough, while I was researching various forms of Blood Magic, cannibalism (in theory at least, I whould like to test it one day though) allows immortality - after a fashion at least.
Oddly enough, while I was researching various forms of Blood Magic, cannibalism (in theory at least, I whould like to test it one day though) allows immortality - after a fashion at least.
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Original post: Vindictus
[QUOTE=Draziw Latem;366601]Oddly enough, while I was researching various forms of Blood Magic, cannibalism (in theory at least, I whould like to test it one day though) allows immortality - after a fashion at least.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I think that you should go ask the nice africans with spears about that. ME, I'm not terribly interested in cannibalism. Not completely because of my rusty moral compass either... You get caught eating people, and you're in big shit with pretty much everyone, tho you might make it on the 'Insanity' defence....
And anyway, I'd think it would be blood- And tho I'm draining vampire literature here, thats because the 'life is in the blood'. However, this isnt the forum to discuss that.
[QUOTE=Draziw Latem;366601]Oddly enough, while I was researching various forms of Blood Magic, cannibalism (in theory at least, I whould like to test it one day though) allows immortality - after a fashion at least.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I think that you should go ask the nice africans with spears about that. ME, I'm not terribly interested in cannibalism. Not completely because of my rusty moral compass either... You get caught eating people, and you're in big shit with pretty much everyone, tho you might make it on the 'Insanity' defence....
And anyway, I'd think it would be blood- And tho I'm draining vampire literature here, thats because the 'life is in the blood'. However, this isnt the forum to discuss that.
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Original post: Draziw Latem
[QUOTE=Vindictus;367331]Eh, I think that you should go ask the nice africans with spears about that. ME, I'm not terribly interested in cannibalism. Not completely because of my rusty moral compass either... You get caught eating people, and you're in big shit with pretty much everyone, tho you might make it on the 'Insanity' defence....
And anyway, I'd think it would be blood- And tho I'm draining vampire literature here, thats because the 'life is in the blood'. However, this isnt the forum to discuss that.[/QUOTE]
Good gods MAN! I'm don't want to eat people! I just want to see if the theories is right! If I actually did half of the stuff I think-out I'd be in some really deep trouble.
And yes this is the wrong forum, but I thought the longevity/immortality data worth mentioning...
Other then that my own research indicates the that wendigo's are either a malevolent daemon or some natural creature (human's included) thats developed a taste for human blood.
[QUOTE=Vindictus;367331]Eh, I think that you should go ask the nice africans with spears about that. ME, I'm not terribly interested in cannibalism. Not completely because of my rusty moral compass either... You get caught eating people, and you're in big shit with pretty much everyone, tho you might make it on the 'Insanity' defence....
And anyway, I'd think it would be blood- And tho I'm draining vampire literature here, thats because the 'life is in the blood'. However, this isnt the forum to discuss that.[/QUOTE]
Good gods MAN! I'm don't want to eat people! I just want to see if the theories is right! If I actually did half of the stuff I think-out I'd be in some really deep trouble.
And yes this is the wrong forum, but I thought the longevity/immortality data worth mentioning...
Other then that my own research indicates the that wendigo's are either a malevolent daemon or some natural creature (human's included) thats developed a taste for human blood.
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Original post: Vindictus
Okay, just thought I would mention the fact that eating people is a major social dont.
So... Any creature that has developed a taste for human blood? There actually arent many of those. I think some tigers get a taste for it, but it's generally the old ones who cant hunt as well any more. And how do creatures that dont care what they eat- Like a shark in a frenzy or a crocodile- rank?
Okay, just thought I would mention the fact that eating people is a major social dont.
So... Any creature that has developed a taste for human blood? There actually arent many of those. I think some tigers get a taste for it, but it's generally the old ones who cant hunt as well any more. And how do creatures that dont care what they eat- Like a shark in a frenzy or a crocodile- rank?
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Original post: Raven43
Why would eating humans be worse than murder? Or is it almost the same thing? I've heard of 3 types of cannibalism. Starving people with no access to food due to environmental conditions, native practices where it is honoring the dead, & insanity.
I take it that Wendigo could be considered the evil spirit that causes people to cross the line and eat other humans?
Why would eating humans be worse than murder? Or is it almost the same thing? I've heard of 3 types of cannibalism. Starving people with no access to food due to environmental conditions, native practices where it is honoring the dead, & insanity.
I take it that Wendigo could be considered the evil spirit that causes people to cross the line and eat other humans?
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Original post: Vindictus
As far as the morals of it go, it really wouldnt be any worse than killing the person. However, there is a certain pattern of thought among people that says that they are somehow better then the animals that they themselves eat. This makes any cannibal frightening to the people who dont realise that in the end, it doesnt matter what happens to the body after somebody is dead.
And yes, that was a scary long rant. Anyway, the Wendigo could be considered something like that.
As far as the morals of it go, it really wouldnt be any worse than killing the person. However, there is a certain pattern of thought among people that says that they are somehow better then the animals that they themselves eat. This makes any cannibal frightening to the people who dont realise that in the end, it doesnt matter what happens to the body after somebody is dead.
And yes, that was a scary long rant. Anyway, the Wendigo could be considered something like that.
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Original post: alacardkane
well, the thing that is often forgotten, is that it takes a bit of ritual and the "divine" to allow a human to become a wendigo.
I believe if I'm correct, that early wendigo were created by a tribe as a way to fight a neighboring tribe. but sadly they became to dangerous attacking anyone they could.
well, the thing that is often forgotten, is that it takes a bit of ritual and the "divine" to allow a human to become a wendigo.
I believe if I'm correct, that early wendigo were created by a tribe as a way to fight a neighboring tribe. but sadly they became to dangerous attacking anyone they could.
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Original post: Draziw Latem
[QUOTE=alacardkane;367709]well, the thing that is often forgotten, is that it takes a bit of ritual and the "divine" to allow a human to become a wendigo.
I believe if I'm correct, that early wendigo were created by a tribe as a way to fight a neighboring tribe. but sadly they became to dangerous attacking anyone they could.[/QUOTE]
I generally have to agree, some mystical premeditation (as it were) is generally required. But a powerful act can be worth just as much if not more so then almost any "divine" induction.
[QUOTE=alacardkane;367709]well, the thing that is often forgotten, is that it takes a bit of ritual and the "divine" to allow a human to become a wendigo.
I believe if I'm correct, that early wendigo were created by a tribe as a way to fight a neighboring tribe. but sadly they became to dangerous attacking anyone they could.[/QUOTE]
I generally have to agree, some mystical premeditation (as it were) is generally required. But a powerful act can be worth just as much if not more so then almost any "divine" induction.