Original post: Exorcist
I have many friends in Haiti and have spent many a night in this beautiful country. However, this nation has a strange past. In 1791, Haiti was given over to Satan during a voodoo ceremony that included killing a pig. Ever since the shedding of that pigâ??s blood on that August evening spiritual (and economic) darkness has gripped this nation of 8 million.
Recently, Haitiâ??s former president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, essentially endorsed voodoo as a valid religion when he decreed, â??An ancestral religion, voodoo is an essential part of national identity,â?Â
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Original post: ShekinahMoon
I swear you hear but never listen. :?: The members of Voodoo do not worship Satan. They have their own pantheon of Gods and Goddesses. And if they were givin over who did the giving? Like it or not Exorcist, you are fundemental in your Christian ideology.
But the question remains: does voodoo empower or not? Like to hear your opinions?
.[/quote]I believe very much that Voodoo empowers. It is a hybrid religion of African religion and Catholicism. And it uses the strengths of both religions quite nicely. Personally, I see them as Christian Witches
Exorcist wrote: In 1791, Haiti was given over to Satan during a voodoo ceremony that included killing a pig. Ever since the shedding of that pigâ??s blood on that August evening spiritual (and economic) darkness has gripped this nation of 8 million.
I swear you hear but never listen. :?: The members of Voodoo do not worship Satan. They have their own pantheon of Gods and Goddesses. And if they were givin over who did the giving? Like it or not Exorcist, you are fundemental in your Christian ideology.
But the question remains: does voodoo empower or not? Like to hear your opinions?
.[/quote]I believe very much that Voodoo empowers. It is a hybrid religion of African religion and Catholicism. And it uses the strengths of both religions quite nicely. Personally, I see them as Christian Witches
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Original post: Samhain
1791 is the date that the Haitian revolution began. There does seem to have been some sort of important Voodoo meeting with respect to the planning stages, but it was only prejudice that made the French colonialists interpret it as a pact with the christian deity satan. Voodoo sometimes uses the names of christian saints in the place of the Gods they're actually worshipping, but Voudoun aren't devil worshippers, except in the minds of those who wish the Haitians were still enslaved.
1791 is the date that the Haitian revolution began. There does seem to have been some sort of important Voodoo meeting with respect to the planning stages, but it was only prejudice that made the French colonialists interpret it as a pact with the christian deity satan. Voodoo sometimes uses the names of christian saints in the place of the Gods they're actually worshipping, but Voudoun aren't devil worshippers, except in the minds of those who wish the Haitians were still enslaved.
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Original post: Exorcist
Actually many Haitians themselves "interpret" it as a pact to the devil.Samhain wrote:1791 is the date that the Haitian revolution began. There does seem to have been some sort of important Voodoo meeting with respect to the planning stages, but it was only prejudice that made the French colonialists interpret it as a pact with the christian deity satan.
I have spent considerable time in Haiti and I can say that many Haitians themselves believe voodoo has brought all kinds of problems to the nation....but Voudoun aren't devil worshippers, except in the minds of those who wish the Haitians were still enslaved.
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Curious...have you ever attended a voodoo ritual or visited Haiti?[/font][/b]
The members of Voodoo do not worship Satan.
Empowers them to do what? I've yet to see a voodoo based woman's shelter, food bank, or charitiable group.I believe very much that Voodoo empowers.
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Original post: ShekinahMoon
So you start a thread to denouce them? Seems that's all you are interested in Exorcist.
There is no discussion with you. You just want to attempt to prove occultism is evil and put your stamp on OF to do it. I can't help you with that. Guess the best medicine for you is ignore.
So you start a thread to denouce them? Seems that's all you are interested in Exorcist.
There is no discussion with you. You just want to attempt to prove occultism is evil and put your stamp on OF to do it. I can't help you with that. Guess the best medicine for you is ignore.
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Original post: Exorcist
[QUOTE=ShekinahMoon]
There is no discussion with you. [/QUOTE] Discussing usually involves dissent.
You made a resounding endorsement of voodoo by stating it empowers. I simply asked how it empowers? Does it empower it devotees to extend help to the needy, for example (i.e. food banks, medical clinics, etc)???
[QUOTE=ShekinahMoon]
There is no discussion with you. [/QUOTE] Discussing usually involves dissent.
You made a resounding endorsement of voodoo by stating it empowers. I simply asked how it empowers? Does it empower it devotees to extend help to the needy, for example (i.e. food banks, medical clinics, etc)???
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Original post: DropAndRiver
There are 'voodoo' clinics and charities out there, it may take some searching but that is only because there are less practioners than orthodox Christian faiths (for the record, since many voodoo followers consider themselves Christian, they will work at orthodox Christian charities instead of starting them in the name of Voodoo because many homeless ect. refuse to be helped by a charity that claims such beliefs... however intolerant and judgemental that sounds)
There are 'voodoo' clinics and charities out there, it may take some searching but that is only because there are less practioners than orthodox Christian faiths (for the record, since many voodoo followers consider themselves Christian, they will work at orthodox Christian charities instead of starting them in the name of Voodoo because many homeless ect. refuse to be helped by a charity that claims such beliefs... however intolerant and judgemental that sounds)
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Original post: 1-2-3-me
Scapegoats are always everywhere. The reason for Haiti's economical malaise goes back to the unwillingness of France (and most other European countries) and America to trade with the regime of Touissaint L'Ouverture. L'Ouverture even banned voodoo. The Haitian embargo was probably one of the first ones before these were issued under UN-flag. The reason is quite simple. Napoleon Bonaparte was a notorious racist and didn't want blacks to rule themselves, justifying this that they were incapable of doing such. The US was afraid that if Haiti became succesful it would result in revolution amongst blacks in their own country.
If you imagine that Haiti would provide for the bulk of the French overseas/colonial income and this only dwindled because the black rulers of Haiti had no network to distribute the crops. Which is the problem for most post-colonial nations.
If you ask if Voudoun empowers, ask yourself first if Christianity in fact isn't supposed to empower? Christ and countless saints went above the normal abilities of us commoners. And do apply the line: "Who is without sin, cast the first stone."
Scapegoats are always everywhere. The reason for Haiti's economical malaise goes back to the unwillingness of France (and most other European countries) and America to trade with the regime of Touissaint L'Ouverture. L'Ouverture even banned voodoo. The Haitian embargo was probably one of the first ones before these were issued under UN-flag. The reason is quite simple. Napoleon Bonaparte was a notorious racist and didn't want blacks to rule themselves, justifying this that they were incapable of doing such. The US was afraid that if Haiti became succesful it would result in revolution amongst blacks in their own country.
If you imagine that Haiti would provide for the bulk of the French overseas/colonial income and this only dwindled because the black rulers of Haiti had no network to distribute the crops. Which is the problem for most post-colonial nations.
If you ask if Voudoun empowers, ask yourself first if Christianity in fact isn't supposed to empower? Christ and countless saints went above the normal abilities of us commoners. And do apply the line: "Who is without sin, cast the first stone."
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Original post: hungrykitty
[QUOTE=Exorcist]Discussing usually involves dissent.
You made a resounding endorsement of voodoo by stating it empowers. I simply asked how it empowers? Does it empower it devotees to extend help to the needy, for example (i.e. food banks, medical clinics, etc)???[/QUOTE]
Many practitioneers of many religions would speak of the empowerment of their rituals and worship. The Orishnas and Loas are not demons by your standdards or anyone elses. They are Gods. Not all are benevolent in the way you claim your jehovah is benevolent, some are tricksters. Then again I have met xians who have claimed that jehovah and jesus were trickster gods.
Many devotees of Voodoo do extend help to the needy, voodoo is a way of life for these people. it is not reserved for a certain day of the week. Though I could say that just as there are "sunday" xians, there are voodoo followers who do not do what their Gods suggest. Also, it has been my experience that when xians help with food, meds, etc they are seeking converts as the ultimate goal of their "good deed". Yet when followers of Voodoo, Santeria, Judaism, Wicca, etc help they are NOT looking to convert.
[QUOTE=Exorcist]Discussing usually involves dissent.
You made a resounding endorsement of voodoo by stating it empowers. I simply asked how it empowers? Does it empower it devotees to extend help to the needy, for example (i.e. food banks, medical clinics, etc)???[/QUOTE]
Many practitioneers of many religions would speak of the empowerment of their rituals and worship. The Orishnas and Loas are not demons by your standdards or anyone elses. They are Gods. Not all are benevolent in the way you claim your jehovah is benevolent, some are tricksters. Then again I have met xians who have claimed that jehovah and jesus were trickster gods.
Many devotees of Voodoo do extend help to the needy, voodoo is a way of life for these people. it is not reserved for a certain day of the week. Though I could say that just as there are "sunday" xians, there are voodoo followers who do not do what their Gods suggest. Also, it has been my experience that when xians help with food, meds, etc they are seeking converts as the ultimate goal of their "good deed". Yet when followers of Voodoo, Santeria, Judaism, Wicca, etc help they are NOT looking to convert.
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Original post: Seiko
[Quote=Exorcist]I have many friends in Haiti and have spent many a night in this beautiful country. However, this nation has a strange past. In 1791, Haiti was given over to Satan during a voodoo ceremony that included killing a pig. Ever since the shedding of that pigâ??s blood on that August evening spiritual (and economic) darkness has gripped this nation of 8 million. Recently, Haitiâ??s former president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, essentially endorsed voodoo as a valid religion when he decreed, â??An ancestral religion, voodoo is an essential part of national identity,â?Â
[Quote=Exorcist]I have many friends in Haiti and have spent many a night in this beautiful country. However, this nation has a strange past. In 1791, Haiti was given over to Satan during a voodoo ceremony that included killing a pig. Ever since the shedding of that pigâ??s blood on that August evening spiritual (and economic) darkness has gripped this nation of 8 million. Recently, Haitiâ??s former president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, essentially endorsed voodoo as a valid religion when he decreed, â??An ancestral religion, voodoo is an essential part of national identity,â?Â
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Original post: Jenfucius
Voodoo (in part) was helpful for African slaves to resist themselves agaisnt the slavery and repression that occured to them. It did eventually spawned a revolution that helped them form the first successful slave rebellion in history (if not "The" first. one of the first).
Voodoo (in part) was helpful for African slaves to resist themselves agaisnt the slavery and repression that occured to them. It did eventually spawned a revolution that helped them form the first successful slave rebellion in history (if not "The" first. one of the first).
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Original post: Dracophoenix
Exorcist STRIKE two based on prejudice narrow mindedness. Voudon does NOT equal the devil or Satanism.
Prejudice and persecution of others beliefs is not tolerated here at all.
Exorcist STRIKE two based on prejudice narrow mindedness. Voudon does NOT equal the devil or Satanism.
Prejudice and persecution of others beliefs is not tolerated here at all.