Original post: WindigoXXVIII
In Castaneda's book A Separate Reality, don juan scolds Carlos for not realizing his Allies.
"In the company of men they behave like men. In the company of animals they behave like animals. Animals are usually afraid of them; however, if thye are accustomed to seeing the allies, they leave them alone. We ourselves do something similar. We have scores of allies among us, but we don't bother them. Since our eyes can only look at things, we don't notice them."
Or when we do notice them, we deem them unimportant in our life. Ive been thinking about these 'people' for a long time now. Ive been physically, emotionally attracted to two males, ive never exchanged a word with them (ive lost track of one). they seem to be assexual types...not literally, but i mean celibates. They go about everyday life doing seemingly normal things, not at all 'successful' materially. Carlos came across three: two men and a woman who needed a ride from him, but he didnt oblige.
Is anyone else wondering about people they see from time to time who may be these type of beings? Allies. People who arent really people.
I just wonder if I should approach these allies I have noticed since don juan says,
"the allies could not take the lead or act upon anything directly; they could, however act upon man in an indirect way. Don juan said that coming in contact with an ally was dangerous because the ally was capable of briinging out the worst in a person."
Why then, are they here? Are they for anyone who notices them. Or are they meant for someone else in particular. Or, sheesh, i dont know....
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Original post: Sinasbin
Who knows? They're inorganic beings with a purpose all their own.
To attempt to know all there is about something certainly brings down the mystery, even if such an attempt is all in vain.
Remember Don Juan says they aren't even the same configuration as a human, whereas a human is regarded as a luminous egg-type shape of swirling light fibers, and IBs (inorganic beings) were more contorted and conical. Thus suggesting entirely different modes of existing.
Also you should consider what Don Juan says about the use of power plants as Allies in themselves. This in particular always arouses suspicion in my eyes, especially when I'm partaking in the 'acquaintance' of such the particular plant/ally in question.
Naturally these are all merely my thoughts on the matter, but I would say learn to see before you can be sure or not. But if you do approach these men, these allies, do so with the spirit of a warrior, and there will be no 'surprises' so-to-speak.
Who knows? They're inorganic beings with a purpose all their own.
To attempt to know all there is about something certainly brings down the mystery, even if such an attempt is all in vain.
Remember Don Juan says they aren't even the same configuration as a human, whereas a human is regarded as a luminous egg-type shape of swirling light fibers, and IBs (inorganic beings) were more contorted and conical. Thus suggesting entirely different modes of existing.
Also you should consider what Don Juan says about the use of power plants as Allies in themselves. This in particular always arouses suspicion in my eyes, especially when I'm partaking in the 'acquaintance' of such the particular plant/ally in question.
Naturally these are all merely my thoughts on the matter, but I would say learn to see before you can be sure or not. But if you do approach these men, these allies, do so with the spirit of a warrior, and there will be no 'surprises' so-to-speak.
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Original post: WindigoXXVIII
Thanks for your response, Sinasbin. I don't have any plant allies, not even Mary.
Jane likes me. I have always thought this was a shortcut to seeing. I think that is why don juan introduced mescalito and jimson weed to carlos so immediately. Its probably a marvelous experience for some people. But i wonder if the harvesting of such plants that is bought from unknown growers would impact the experience in a negative way. Like if the plant was not taken properly, like how peyote was shot like a deer, etc. All plants must have their own way to be taken respectfully.
Another thing about the inorganic ally-like humans. where else are they talked about besides the castaneda books? I wonder if there are ties to angels or LAm, Not sure which direction I could go in to find out more superficial knowledge. Myths, legends, etc.
Thanks for your response, Sinasbin. I don't have any plant allies, not even Mary.
Jane likes me. I have always thought this was a shortcut to seeing. I think that is why don juan introduced mescalito and jimson weed to carlos so immediately. Its probably a marvelous experience for some people. But i wonder if the harvesting of such plants that is bought from unknown growers would impact the experience in a negative way. Like if the plant was not taken properly, like how peyote was shot like a deer, etc. All plants must have their own way to be taken respectfully.
Another thing about the inorganic ally-like humans. where else are they talked about besides the castaneda books? I wonder if there are ties to angels or LAm, Not sure which direction I could go in to find out more superficial knowledge. Myths, legends, etc.
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Original post: Sinasbin
Undoubtedly humans have a penchant for abusing 'allies'. So-much-so that the average drug user is completely oblivious to even the idea that someone or something lies beyond the veil of common perception. Very good points to bring up Windigo.
I agree completely that any endeavor made regarding the use of 'power plants' should be met with the utmost respect and the desire to learn. This awareness alone, I believe, separates a 'warrior spirit' from the average man/woman.
I don't know how much of Castaneda you've experienced, but at a certain point (I believe it began in A Separate Reality) Don Juan takes up a young apprentice named Eligio. Further on throughout Castaneda's work Don Juan mentions Eligio sporadically and his progress on the path of knowledge. Don Juan states that Eligio never had the need for power plants in the way Castaneda did. He attributed this to Castaneda's body being 'too stupid'. His rationality already being firmly fixed within what he could only believe to be the one true reality. Eligio, by comparison, soared like an eagle.
I cannot claim expertise on the matter of seeing or proper use of 'power plants', but I know stating such is irrelevant. All I can offer is my experience and how it contrasts with the question at hand. By no means do I possess any concrete truth. (I know I don't have to say this but I always feel the need! :·) )
As far as allies being prevalent throughout other literature and/or metaphysical philosophy, I most certainly wouldn't doubt it. As many things in this world are hidden from our common, everyday perception. I suppose only by living the life of a warrior, and forever striving upon the path of knowledge can we ever hope to witness such things, let alone try to understand them.
Undoubtedly humans have a penchant for abusing 'allies'. So-much-so that the average drug user is completely oblivious to even the idea that someone or something lies beyond the veil of common perception. Very good points to bring up Windigo.
I agree completely that any endeavor made regarding the use of 'power plants' should be met with the utmost respect and the desire to learn. This awareness alone, I believe, separates a 'warrior spirit' from the average man/woman.
I don't know how much of Castaneda you've experienced, but at a certain point (I believe it began in A Separate Reality) Don Juan takes up a young apprentice named Eligio. Further on throughout Castaneda's work Don Juan mentions Eligio sporadically and his progress on the path of knowledge. Don Juan states that Eligio never had the need for power plants in the way Castaneda did. He attributed this to Castaneda's body being 'too stupid'. His rationality already being firmly fixed within what he could only believe to be the one true reality. Eligio, by comparison, soared like an eagle.
I cannot claim expertise on the matter of seeing or proper use of 'power plants', but I know stating such is irrelevant. All I can offer is my experience and how it contrasts with the question at hand. By no means do I possess any concrete truth. (I know I don't have to say this but I always feel the need! :·) )
As far as allies being prevalent throughout other literature and/or metaphysical philosophy, I most certainly wouldn't doubt it. As many things in this world are hidden from our common, everyday perception. I suppose only by living the life of a warrior, and forever striving upon the path of knowledge can we ever hope to witness such things, let alone try to understand them.
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Original post: Samhain
[QUOTE=WindigoXXVIII],
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like how peyote was shot like a deer, etc.
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[/QUOTE]Hi, Windigo. Scary name.
Could you explain the part of your comment that I quoted above? Peyote is, after all, a kind of cacti, so I'm not quite sure what you're referring to. But yes, I agree that the way a plant is harvested will really affect how it interacts with someone. So will how you try to use it, as you probably know. A dope smoker won't have the same relationship with the spirit of the plant as someone who wants to use it ritually in a respectful manner, regardless of how it was harvested.
As for Castenada saying that humans look like eggs and allies don't, I assumed that he was saying that human looking allies don't have auras. Since I never encountered anyone who appeared human and who didn't have an aura (with the exception of people who were dying), and since I don't think all of Castenada's writings should be taken literally, I just disregarded that part. However, I've since wondered whether someone who was very in touch with the Otherworlds might see entities that most of us don't.
It seems that you've met people who you thought might not be quite like the rest of us - If you can see or sense auras or the lack thereof, did they seem to have auras? All living things, including plants, seem to have auras. Or did you interpret the "egg" remark differently?
[QUOTE=WindigoXXVIII],
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like how peyote was shot like a deer, etc.
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[/QUOTE]Hi, Windigo. Scary name.
Could you explain the part of your comment that I quoted above? Peyote is, after all, a kind of cacti, so I'm not quite sure what you're referring to. But yes, I agree that the way a plant is harvested will really affect how it interacts with someone. So will how you try to use it, as you probably know. A dope smoker won't have the same relationship with the spirit of the plant as someone who wants to use it ritually in a respectful manner, regardless of how it was harvested.
As for Castenada saying that humans look like eggs and allies don't, I assumed that he was saying that human looking allies don't have auras. Since I never encountered anyone who appeared human and who didn't have an aura (with the exception of people who were dying), and since I don't think all of Castenada's writings should be taken literally, I just disregarded that part. However, I've since wondered whether someone who was very in touch with the Otherworlds might see entities that most of us don't.
It seems that you've met people who you thought might not be quite like the rest of us - If you can see or sense auras or the lack thereof, did they seem to have auras? All living things, including plants, seem to have auras. Or did you interpret the "egg" remark differently?
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Original post: WindigoXXVIII
Hi Samhain. For more on the deer, peyote connection, look into the Huichol indians in particular.
"In the Huichol mythology, it is said that during creation, as the first gods hunted the first deer it fled across the sacred landscape, each hoof print becoming a peyote. As the hunt continued the peyote/deer spirit spread throughout Wirikuta. In fact when the Huichol arrive in the holy land and find the first peyote, it is ritually stalked and slain with bow and arrows just as a deer is. In the process of respecting and partaking in the life giving flesh, the Huichol becomes spiritually and physically nourished. The connection evoked by the unity of deer and peyote serves to allow the Huichol to make a connection with their gods that is almost inconceivable to outsiders of their culture."
http://www.entheogen.com/articles/pre-2004/huichol2.html
Hi Samhain. For more on the deer, peyote connection, look into the Huichol indians in particular.
"In the Huichol mythology, it is said that during creation, as the first gods hunted the first deer it fled across the sacred landscape, each hoof print becoming a peyote. As the hunt continued the peyote/deer spirit spread throughout Wirikuta. In fact when the Huichol arrive in the holy land and find the first peyote, it is ritually stalked and slain with bow and arrows just as a deer is. In the process of respecting and partaking in the life giving flesh, the Huichol becomes spiritually and physically nourished. The connection evoked by the unity of deer and peyote serves to allow the Huichol to make a connection with their gods that is almost inconceivable to outsiders of their culture."
http://www.entheogen.com/articles/pre-2004/huichol2.html
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Original post: WindigoXXVIII
The first ally, or ally type person I saw came to my town on the train alone carrying nothing but a bag. He tried to find a place to live but he couldnt. He wasnt allowed to be homeless so he moved down the train tracks outside the town's jurisdiction and set up camp. Nobody knew his name, so he was called "sun man" cuz somebody claimed he would stare at the sun and shake. His left hand was bent backwards all the time as tho broken. I sensed, and still do that he was different from us, and not just a mentally ill hobo. Like the three allies Castaneda met, Sun Man seems to have been a wanderer. Maybe these beings are just that. As for the eggs and coneshape swirlings, I havent seen these. And im constantly muddled in my viewing of auras and ether. I see plant ether very well, but auras make me stare blurry and trance out, so I cant do this very well in public.
In a way I suppose, SunMan set an example for me, when he left town, so did I for the first time to wander also. It was because of him; I was trying to follow him. I chose a town at random and lo and behold there he was. strange thing. I dont know where he is now though. Because of this thread, I have remembered/learned this about myself. Thanks for that.
The first ally, or ally type person I saw came to my town on the train alone carrying nothing but a bag. He tried to find a place to live but he couldnt. He wasnt allowed to be homeless so he moved down the train tracks outside the town's jurisdiction and set up camp. Nobody knew his name, so he was called "sun man" cuz somebody claimed he would stare at the sun and shake. His left hand was bent backwards all the time as tho broken. I sensed, and still do that he was different from us, and not just a mentally ill hobo. Like the three allies Castaneda met, Sun Man seems to have been a wanderer. Maybe these beings are just that. As for the eggs and coneshape swirlings, I havent seen these. And im constantly muddled in my viewing of auras and ether. I see plant ether very well, but auras make me stare blurry and trance out, so I cant do this very well in public.
In a way I suppose, SunMan set an example for me, when he left town, so did I for the first time to wander also. It was because of him; I was trying to follow him. I chose a town at random and lo and behold there he was. strange thing. I dont know where he is now though. Because of this thread, I have remembered/learned this about myself. Thanks for that.
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Original post: neoprimate
i do have some plant allies. the first is ofcourse mary (if got that windigo), second is the sacred mushroom and third is salvia. these three go together very well, but they ask something from me as well... the persons in life i feel attracted to are out of reach, in order to connect to them i have to give my connections with those allies. but i don't...
allies are everywhere. every practice has it's guiding spirits and those can be allies.
comment: i would like to post something with more sense, but it's out of reach. i hope you can see what those allies ask, my normal state of mind is far-out. most people don't bother to listen to me, i'm in a different frequency most of time...
i do have some plant allies. the first is ofcourse mary (if got that windigo), second is the sacred mushroom and third is salvia. these three go together very well, but they ask something from me as well... the persons in life i feel attracted to are out of reach, in order to connect to them i have to give my connections with those allies. but i don't...
allies are everywhere. every practice has it's guiding spirits and those can be allies.
comment: i would like to post something with more sense, but it's out of reach. i hope you can see what those allies ask, my normal state of mind is far-out. most people don't bother to listen to me, i'm in a different frequency most of time...
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Original post: WindigoXXVIII
but is every ally type person connected to a plant? In the don juan sense it seems to be.
but is every ally type person connected to a plant? In the don juan sense it seems to be.
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Original post: 1-2-3-me
I wouldn't think so. Just figure that both organics and inorganics have direct interaction with plants which in a sense makes them mediators. Something else is the big question whether we cultivate plants or plants lure us to cultivate them. In some respect you could say that plants have their own agenda, just like allies with whom we can be on speaking terms. I'll ponder on this some more when I can play Stevie Wonder's "Journey through the secret life of plants" again, let's just say that blinds see things that we overlook.
There's a big variety of allies, some are solid some liquid and some are consequently gaseous. The thing that binds all allies is that they are helpers and they do not do so for free. Call it supernatural economics or whatever, there's always a price to be paid, one way or other. Like in the economics we know some services come cheap, while others will cost dearly.
I wouldn't think so. Just figure that both organics and inorganics have direct interaction with plants which in a sense makes them mediators. Something else is the big question whether we cultivate plants or plants lure us to cultivate them. In some respect you could say that plants have their own agenda, just like allies with whom we can be on speaking terms. I'll ponder on this some more when I can play Stevie Wonder's "Journey through the secret life of plants" again, let's just say that blinds see things that we overlook.
There's a big variety of allies, some are solid some liquid and some are consequently gaseous. The thing that binds all allies is that they are helpers and they do not do so for free. Call it supernatural economics or whatever, there's always a price to be paid, one way or other. Like in the economics we know some services come cheap, while others will cost dearly.
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Original post: pAmphAge
In one of the later/middle books, I think it may have been Fire from Within, Don Juan says that the only reason he even personally had allies was because his Nagual gave them to him to keep him company when he was lonely. Castaneda is a tricky writer in that his later use of words and concepts developed and transformed A LOT from the early books.
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In one of the later/middle books, I think it may have been Fire from Within, Don Juan says that the only reason he even personally had allies was because his Nagual gave them to him to keep him company when he was lonely. Castaneda is a tricky writer in that his later use of words and concepts developed and transformed A LOT from the early books.
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