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I urge all friends of (ritualistic) dark ambient to check out this band. The atmosphere this music creates is incredible! It gives a nice and sinister boost when used to enhance ones ritual performance :twisted:
Their "Par - Antra: Vir I" record comes with 1 sigil/song plus a larger tenth-sigil which is to be used when one has worked through all the other sigils. There´s some info on the force behind these sigils on Halo Manash homepage ----> http://halomanash.cjb.net/
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Original post: Gryzlgreedigutt
Its interesting that the primary expression of the occult in our modern times artitically speaking is through music. Check out also Valefor for Goetic summoning. Very eerie and penetrating. Would aslo recommend Deutsch nepal and maori tri and if you really wanna make the heavans scream, MZ412.
Its interesting that the primary expression of the occult in our modern times artitically speaking is through music. Check out also Valefor for Goetic summoning. Very eerie and penetrating. Would aslo recommend Deutsch nepal and maori tri and if you really wanna make the heavans scream, MZ412.
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Yeah, I like both Valefor and Deutsch Nepal. It was through Valefor that I came in contact with Psychonaut and the record "Liber Al vel Legis". Pretty interesting stuff. I wonder if Michael Ford is the only one that has done that with AL.
Goetic Summoning and Maori Tri are new ones to me. Have to check them out. Thanks.
Yeah, I like both Valefor and Deutsch Nepal. It was through Valefor that I came in contact with Psychonaut and the record "Liber Al vel Legis". Pretty interesting stuff. I wonder if Michael Ford is the only one that has done that with AL.
Goetic Summoning and Maori Tri are new ones to me. Have to check them out. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Gryzlgreedigutt]Its interesting that the primary expression of the occult in our modern times artitically speaking is through music.[/QUOTE]I don't know what do you mean with "modern" but since the early eighties there has been a whole sub-culture for this 'occult musick' (with a K of course!).
One thing that really bores me about this occult musick is the damn feigning attitude; there's a lot of stuff out there done about magick and not a work of magick itself. It seems that for most people it's more important to let everyone know they're occultists or whatever. People pretending to have crossed the abyss, or whatever, while in reality all they did was rip a track title from AOS, put some esoteric symbols on the booklet and quoted some well-known (or better, very unknown! that's so esoteric) writer's basic theory, and adding nothing personal, creative or new from the side of the artist. The 'magick' isn't directed anywhere or something. Why is it so important for many people to make art that clearly underlines the occult symbolism and occult theory, creating in fact nothing new, and not for example first interiorize the theory and then put in into PRACTICE and create something of their own? I don't think a genuine work of occult art should necessarily have any known 'occult' symbols, as it should be a result of those symbols. Of course within art everything is permitted and possible, and I might be exaggerating, but to convey a point...
If a writer did a book about how cool it is to write, and nothing else... well you know. "Screen is empty, the pressing of the keyboard causes letters... *an Aleister quote here* Typing is the key to all understanding...."
Now I feel demented :neutral:
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[QUOTE=Gryzlgreedigutt]Its interesting that the primary expression of the occult in our modern times artitically speaking is through music.[/QUOTE]I don't know what do you mean with "modern" but since the early eighties there has been a whole sub-culture for this 'occult musick' (with a K of course!).
One thing that really bores me about this occult musick is the damn feigning attitude; there's a lot of stuff out there done about magick and not a work of magick itself. It seems that for most people it's more important to let everyone know they're occultists or whatever. People pretending to have crossed the abyss, or whatever, while in reality all they did was rip a track title from AOS, put some esoteric symbols on the booklet and quoted some well-known (or better, very unknown! that's so esoteric) writer's basic theory, and adding nothing personal, creative or new from the side of the artist. The 'magick' isn't directed anywhere or something. Why is it so important for many people to make art that clearly underlines the occult symbolism and occult theory, creating in fact nothing new, and not for example first interiorize the theory and then put in into PRACTICE and create something of their own? I don't think a genuine work of occult art should necessarily have any known 'occult' symbols, as it should be a result of those symbols. Of course within art everything is permitted and possible, and I might be exaggerating, but to convey a point...
If a writer did a book about how cool it is to write, and nothing else... well you know. "Screen is empty, the pressing of the keyboard causes letters... *an Aleister quote here* Typing is the key to all understanding...."
Now I feel demented :neutral:
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In reality, all I meant was just that magic is a tool and not a thing-in-itself. :)Nothing to be glorified as something alone.
In reality, all I meant was just that magic is a tool and not a thing-in-itself. :)Nothing to be glorified as something alone.
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Still, a good post. I like strong points of view. Music is, to me, a soundtrack for our lives. Backrop. It can create memories . You probably have a lot of memories associated with music you might not even like. Songs you hate can have a lot of memories attached too. I myself do not use music in ritual unless it is to block out some city sound I can't help. But ritual and Darkambient and atmospheric and synthesizer music was a real source of inspiration in that direction. I have had moments listening to music like this that where just as powerful in their way as any ritual or prayer. Valefor literally gave me the creepiest visuals I have ever had under the influence of any drug, too! Music is a whole other thing. It is art. And it is there to inspire. So as for whether these people are sincere or not I give a damn. As long as its in the music I'm pleased. BTW Maori Tri is great sleep music inspires vivid dreams.
Still, a good post. I like strong points of view. Music is, to me, a soundtrack for our lives. Backrop. It can create memories . You probably have a lot of memories associated with music you might not even like. Songs you hate can have a lot of memories attached too. I myself do not use music in ritual unless it is to block out some city sound I can't help. But ritual and Darkambient and atmospheric and synthesizer music was a real source of inspiration in that direction. I have had moments listening to music like this that where just as powerful in their way as any ritual or prayer. Valefor literally gave me the creepiest visuals I have ever had under the influence of any drug, too! Music is a whole other thing. It is art. And it is there to inspire. So as for whether these people are sincere or not I give a damn. As long as its in the music I'm pleased. BTW Maori Tri is great sleep music inspires vivid dreams.
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Original post: Hypnos
[QUOTE=elixir]I don't know what do you mean with "modern" but since the early eighties there has been a whole sub-culture for this 'occult musick' (with a K of course!).
One thing that really bores me about this occult musick is the damn feigning attitude; there's a lot of stuff out there done about magick and not a work of magick itself. It seems that for most people it's more important to let everyone know they're occultists or whatever. People pretending to have crossed the abyss, or whatever, while in reality all they did was rip a track title from AOS, put some esoteric symbols on the booklet and quoted some well-known (or better, very unknown! that's so esoteric) writer's basic theory, and adding nothing personal, creative or new from the side of the artist. The 'magick' isn't directed anywhere or something. Why is it so important for many people to make art that clearly underlines the occult symbolism and occult theory, creating in fact nothing new, and not for example first interiorize the theory and then put in into PRACTICE and create something of their own? I don't think a genuine work of occult art should necessarily have any known 'occult' symbols, as it should be a result of those symbols. Of course within art everything is permitted and possible, and I might be exaggerating, but to convey a point...
If a writer did a book about how cool it is to write, and nothing else... well you know. "Screen is empty, the pressing of the keyboard causes letters... *an Aleister quote here* Typing is the key to all understanding...."
Now I feel demented :neutral:
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Halo Manash and I.Corax records are products of rituals, and that is what inspires me most in their records. They are products of the magick art that the bandmembers practise.
But I see nothing wrong with "just" using occult lyrics and symbols on the records. A record can be a source of occult inspiration to the listener even though it isn´t a "genuine" work of occult art.
[QUOTE=elixir]I don't know what do you mean with "modern" but since the early eighties there has been a whole sub-culture for this 'occult musick' (with a K of course!).
One thing that really bores me about this occult musick is the damn feigning attitude; there's a lot of stuff out there done about magick and not a work of magick itself. It seems that for most people it's more important to let everyone know they're occultists or whatever. People pretending to have crossed the abyss, or whatever, while in reality all they did was rip a track title from AOS, put some esoteric symbols on the booklet and quoted some well-known (or better, very unknown! that's so esoteric) writer's basic theory, and adding nothing personal, creative or new from the side of the artist. The 'magick' isn't directed anywhere or something. Why is it so important for many people to make art that clearly underlines the occult symbolism and occult theory, creating in fact nothing new, and not for example first interiorize the theory and then put in into PRACTICE and create something of their own? I don't think a genuine work of occult art should necessarily have any known 'occult' symbols, as it should be a result of those symbols. Of course within art everything is permitted and possible, and I might be exaggerating, but to convey a point...
If a writer did a book about how cool it is to write, and nothing else... well you know. "Screen is empty, the pressing of the keyboard causes letters... *an Aleister quote here* Typing is the key to all understanding...."
Now I feel demented :neutral:
elixir[/QUOTE]
Halo Manash and I.Corax records are products of rituals, and that is what inspires me most in their records. They are products of the magick art that the bandmembers practise.
But I see nothing wrong with "just" using occult lyrics and symbols on the records. A record can be a source of occult inspiration to the listener even though it isn´t a "genuine" work of occult art.
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I have to disagree. The music IS fun to listen to, but it does not help in normal castings. Not sure what kind of rituals they would be utilized for.
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I have to disagree. The music IS fun to listen to, but it does not help in normal castings. Not sure what kind of rituals they would be utilized for.
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Original post: kirk88
Valefor, is so cool, I was able to buy the cd a couple weeks ago, and I'm planning on doing an evocation while playing the cd, which I never do, but the way I started to feel was awesome while listening to the music!
Here's the info on the cd if you wish to buy it:
The brand new 3rd album by VALEFOR (aka. Black Funeral, Darkness Enshroud). "The Graves of Andras" is based on four particular spirits/demons (Astaroth, Asmodeus, Andras, and Lilith) and the use of Sonic Black Magic. The three primary spirits are Goetic, and represent various parts of the subconscious. Astaroth and Asmodeus were invoked during the recording of this album int of initiation. The Musick is based upon the invocation of these forces and acts as a "Sigil of Sound" from which the listener may use the recording for the materialization of the spirits within the performance. Lilith is the balance point of the album because this Lunar Goddess symbolizes the night, sorcery, and the forces of Black Magic. Lilith translates as "screeching," and Goetia loosely translates as "howling" or "screeching" as well. This recording is intended as a gateway towards the Demonic Realms.
Valefor, is so cool, I was able to buy the cd a couple weeks ago, and I'm planning on doing an evocation while playing the cd, which I never do, but the way I started to feel was awesome while listening to the music!
Here's the info on the cd if you wish to buy it:
The brand new 3rd album by VALEFOR (aka. Black Funeral, Darkness Enshroud). "The Graves of Andras" is based on four particular spirits/demons (Astaroth, Asmodeus, Andras, and Lilith) and the use of Sonic Black Magic. The three primary spirits are Goetic, and represent various parts of the subconscious. Astaroth and Asmodeus were invoked during the recording of this album int of initiation. The Musick is based upon the invocation of these forces and acts as a "Sigil of Sound" from which the listener may use the recording for the materialization of the spirits within the performance. Lilith is the balance point of the album because this Lunar Goddess symbolizes the night, sorcery, and the forces of Black Magic. Lilith translates as "screeching," and Goetia loosely translates as "howling" or "screeching" as well. This recording is intended as a gateway towards the Demonic Realms.
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Original post: Gryzlgreedigutt
Valefor is damn eerie. I had the first album Death Magick for years without really getting into it or understanding it. One random night I sit down with my headphones and put it on for the heck of it and got this overwhelming image of a giant metal spider leg acting as a record needle. Makes no sense I know but it was freaky as hell. I remember swimming in and out of regular consciousness. Intense and focused music. I would recommend them for Goetic evocation. Play it LOUD.
Valefor is damn eerie. I had the first album Death Magick for years without really getting into it or understanding it. One random night I sit down with my headphones and put it on for the heck of it and got this overwhelming image of a giant metal spider leg acting as a record needle. Makes no sense I know but it was freaky as hell. I remember swimming in and out of regular consciousness. Intense and focused music. I would recommend them for Goetic evocation. Play it LOUD.
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Original post: Specktackular
[QUOTE=Gryzlgreedigutt]Its interesting that the primary expression of the occult in our modern times artitically speaking is through music. Check out also Valefor for Goetic summoning. Very eerie and penetrating. Would aslo recommend Deutsch nepal and maori tri and if you really wanna make the heavans scream, MZ412.[/QUOTE]
Here's an old Jehovah's Witness story for ya. They have lots of run-ins with demons and possessed folk, apparently, since they're not supposed to lie and yet have tons of these kinds of stories. Of course, we all know how the "telephone game" works, don't we? The story gets blown out of proportion more and more everytime it is told (and I doubt all JW's are honest, anyway)...
THE STORY:
JW walks into a barbershop. Sits in the chair to get a haircut. Forgot exactly how it happened, but the barber started right in saying weird stuff almost immediately. The barber informed the JW that "You're going to lose. All the youth belong to us, you can't stop us. We'll get all your children, too. We've already got your children. You couldn't stop us if you tried. So, I'll let you in on a little secret: we're getting them with the music. It's the music! Hahahahah!"
The barber never pointed out that he was possessed or anything. He supposedly just said this weird crap to the JW out of the blue while standing behind the guy with a pair of scissors near his head. The JW then jumped up and ran the hell out of the store.
Thought that was a funny story. No JW would be suprised at all that the occult is in music. They've been talking about it for the last 30 years. They also have great stories about Smurfs on Smurf wallpaper coming off the walls and bothering children in their sleep because the Peyo artist who created the Smurfs was a black magician.
[QUOTE=Gryzlgreedigutt]Its interesting that the primary expression of the occult in our modern times artitically speaking is through music. Check out also Valefor for Goetic summoning. Very eerie and penetrating. Would aslo recommend Deutsch nepal and maori tri and if you really wanna make the heavans scream, MZ412.[/QUOTE]
Here's an old Jehovah's Witness story for ya. They have lots of run-ins with demons and possessed folk, apparently, since they're not supposed to lie and yet have tons of these kinds of stories. Of course, we all know how the "telephone game" works, don't we? The story gets blown out of proportion more and more everytime it is told (and I doubt all JW's are honest, anyway)...
THE STORY:
JW walks into a barbershop. Sits in the chair to get a haircut. Forgot exactly how it happened, but the barber started right in saying weird stuff almost immediately. The barber informed the JW that "You're going to lose. All the youth belong to us, you can't stop us. We'll get all your children, too. We've already got your children. You couldn't stop us if you tried. So, I'll let you in on a little secret: we're getting them with the music. It's the music! Hahahahah!"
The barber never pointed out that he was possessed or anything. He supposedly just said this weird crap to the JW out of the blue while standing behind the guy with a pair of scissors near his head. The JW then jumped up and ran the hell out of the store.
Thought that was a funny story. No JW would be suprised at all that the occult is in music. They've been talking about it for the last 30 years. They also have great stories about Smurfs on Smurf wallpaper coming off the walls and bothering children in their sleep because the Peyo artist who created the Smurfs was a black magician.
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Original post: Specktackular
[QUOTE=kirk88]Valefor, is so cool, I was able to buy the cd a couple weeks ago, and I'm planning on doing an evocation while playing the cd, which I never do, but the way I started to feel was awesome while listening to the music!
Here's the info on the cd if you wish to buy it:
The brand new 3rd album by VALEFOR (aka. Black Funeral, Darkness Enshroud). "The Graves of Andras" is based on four particular spirits/demons (Astaroth, Asmodeus, Andras, and Lilith) and the use of Sonic Black Magic. The three primary spirits are Goetic, and represent various parts of the subconscious. Astaroth and Asmodeus were invoked during the recording of this album int of initiation. The Musick is based upon the invocation of these forces and acts as a "Sigil of Sound" from which the listener may use the recording for the materialization of the spirits within the performance. Lilith is the balance point of the album because this Lunar Goddess symbolizes the night, sorcery, and the forces of Black Magic. Lilith translates as "screeching," and Goetia loosely translates as "howling" or "screeching" as well. This recording is intended as a gateway towards the Demonic Realms. [/QUOTE]
Why does practically ALL occult music have to be angry, scary, deathy and evil? (And what's the attraction, by the way?)
[QUOTE=kirk88]Valefor, is so cool, I was able to buy the cd a couple weeks ago, and I'm planning on doing an evocation while playing the cd, which I never do, but the way I started to feel was awesome while listening to the music!
Here's the info on the cd if you wish to buy it:
The brand new 3rd album by VALEFOR (aka. Black Funeral, Darkness Enshroud). "The Graves of Andras" is based on four particular spirits/demons (Astaroth, Asmodeus, Andras, and Lilith) and the use of Sonic Black Magic. The three primary spirits are Goetic, and represent various parts of the subconscious. Astaroth and Asmodeus were invoked during the recording of this album int of initiation. The Musick is based upon the invocation of these forces and acts as a "Sigil of Sound" from which the listener may use the recording for the materialization of the spirits within the performance. Lilith is the balance point of the album because this Lunar Goddess symbolizes the night, sorcery, and the forces of Black Magic. Lilith translates as "screeching," and Goetia loosely translates as "howling" or "screeching" as well. This recording is intended as a gateway towards the Demonic Realms. [/QUOTE]
Why does practically ALL occult music have to be angry, scary, deathy and evil? (And what's the attraction, by the way?)
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Original post: kirk88
I don't know, for me I don't always listen to that type of music, I usually listen to something artistic/emotional. I'll only listen if it gives me a good connection to spirits or whatever. I guess the melody is supposed to be like that because I guess it represents the "demonic nature."
I don't know, for me I don't always listen to that type of music, I usually listen to something artistic/emotional. I'll only listen if it gives me a good connection to spirits or whatever. I guess the melody is supposed to be like that because I guess it represents the "demonic nature."
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Original post: Hoor-paar-Kraat
Recently, I've been performing various evocations to Sunn O))). They're god old-fashioned pagan drone ambience.
Recently, I've been performing various evocations to Sunn O))). They're god old-fashioned pagan drone ambience.
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Original post: Frater Omicron
Friends,
A few suggestions for ritualist atmospheres:
Deathprod - Morals & Dogma
Lustmord - Where the Black Stars Hang
Thomas Koner - Aubrite
Robert Rich - Trances & Drones
Current 93 - A Little Menstral Night Music
Coil - Time Machines
Nijiumu - Era of Sad Wings
Most of these are dark soundscapes which employ drone and trance techniques with the occasional sample. I've had very good success with these CDs. The Nijiumu album does have a few abrasive parts that could disrupt certain ritual moments, but otherwise may be quite useful.
Enjoy.
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Friends,
A few suggestions for ritualist atmospheres:
Deathprod - Morals & Dogma
Lustmord - Where the Black Stars Hang
Thomas Koner - Aubrite
Robert Rich - Trances & Drones
Current 93 - A Little Menstral Night Music
Coil - Time Machines
Nijiumu - Era of Sad Wings
Most of these are dark soundscapes which employ drone and trance techniques with the occasional sample. I've had very good success with these CDs. The Nijiumu album does have a few abrasive parts that could disrupt certain ritual moments, but otherwise may be quite useful.
Enjoy.
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Original post: cpmg_101
Hi there
I came to the conclusion that during banishing and meditation, one should not play these music. Otherwise, it's pretty useful
Thanks for the tip Frater Omicron
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Hi there
I came to the conclusion that during banishing and meditation, one should not play these music. Otherwise, it's pretty useful
Thanks for the tip Frater Omicron
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