Original post: Nicholas777
Face it, To drive is to thrive! Sin is restriction. Calling driving a privelege instead of a right is restriction. How do Thelemites and others here veiw driving? I hear many with cars complaining that they're "oh so dangerous" and "cost so much".
What cost is your freedom worth? Isn't the ability to go to work, travel, buy groceries, all in your car worth the paltry insurance and gas costs?
I see people who drive THRIVE. To THRIVE is to DRIVE! To DRIVE is to THRIVE!
Wouldn't you rather have a full, short life in which you thrive because you drive rather than a long miserable one because you are consigned to walking or riding a bike?
You have to FIGHT! For your RIGHT! to DRRRRRRRIVE!
How do YOU fight for this right to THRIVE (DRIVE)?
Nicholas
*who has had it with whiney trust fund babies with cars whining about cars and look at you funny when you suggest tehy give up theirs*
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Original post: Caradoc
If you need a car in order to be happy then I'm pleased you have one, but you shouldn't assume that what is important in your life should be equally important in other people's.
Freedom is a state of mind, you can be free in a prison cell.What cost is your freedom worth?
I don't have a car, though I have nothing against them at all, and I must say my life is not "a long miserable one."Wouldn't you rather have a full, short life in which you thrive because you drive rather than a long miserable one because you are consigned to walking or riding a bike?
If you need a car in order to be happy then I'm pleased you have one, but you shouldn't assume that what is important in your life should be equally important in other people's.
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Original post: Nicholas777
[QUOTE=Caradoc]
If you need a car in order to be happy then I'm pleased you have one, but you shouldn't assume that what is important in your life should be equally important in other people's.[/QUOTE]
That was not my intention. I'm just tired of those with and without cars telling me that I should be happy without one.
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[QUOTE=Caradoc]
If you need a car in order to be happy then I'm pleased you have one, but you shouldn't assume that what is important in your life should be equally important in other people's.[/QUOTE]
That was not my intention. I'm just tired of those with and without cars telling me that I should be happy without one.
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Original post: Horus
A car can also be a cage - if you identify yourself too much with it. And I think there is a difference between appreciating a nice automobile and your automobile being an extension of yourself. I personally appreciate nice cars as much as I would appreciate an impressive building or monument or anything like that. But if I suddenly found myself without a car or had to sell the one I have for something less that would be fine with me. It is just transportation.
A car can also be a cage - if you identify yourself too much with it. And I think there is a difference between appreciating a nice automobile and your automobile being an extension of yourself. I personally appreciate nice cars as much as I would appreciate an impressive building or monument or anything like that. But if I suddenly found myself without a car or had to sell the one I have for something less that would be fine with me. It is just transportation.
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Original post: Quidgyboo
I have no car and it doesn't bother me. I think you're getting a tad enthusiastic with your thrive/drive comparisons there though buddy :lol: .
I have no car and it doesn't bother me. I think you're getting a tad enthusiastic with your thrive/drive comparisons there though buddy :lol: .
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Original post: hitman777
Yeah, I don't have a car either, but it doesn't really bother me. Besides, whenever there is a place that I need a car to get to, I can get people to drive me there. I probably should get a car, but at the moment, I have too much going on to bone up on my driving. (I may be a little rusty at the moment.)
Yeah, I don't have a car either, but it doesn't really bother me. Besides, whenever there is a place that I need a car to get to, I can get people to drive me there. I probably should get a car, but at the moment, I have too much going on to bone up on my driving. (I may be a little rusty at the moment.)
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Original post: Nicholas777
[QUOTE=Horus]A car can also be a cage - if you identify yourself too much with it. And I think there is a difference between appreciating a nice automobile and your automobile being an extension of yourself. I personally appreciate nice cars as much as I would appreciate an impressive building or monument or anything like that. But if I suddenly found myself without a car or had to sell the one I have for something less that would be fine with me. It is just transportation.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand. The driving instinct is strong in me. It's in every fiber of my being, it's an aspect of my souls very essence. To be denied the right to drive is to be denied the right of my soul to grow.
It's not just transportation...it is a birthright, it's a symbol of worthieness to the world.
I wonder what curse is upon me that causes me to continuously be around those who have somekind of unnatural dislike of cars?
I have done meditations, I have looked into other realities. I have seen that when I have a car I am a succes in life. When I am consigned to walking or biking I am too exhausted for anything else and it's KILLING MY SOUL to be kept from honoring my DRIVING INSTINCT.
You wouldn't put a fish in the treetops or a monkey at teh bottom of the sea, and yet there are forces attempting to keep me upon a bike. It's like forcing a child to move by crawling when he's 8 and can run. it's INSANE.
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[QUOTE=Horus]A car can also be a cage - if you identify yourself too much with it. And I think there is a difference between appreciating a nice automobile and your automobile being an extension of yourself. I personally appreciate nice cars as much as I would appreciate an impressive building or monument or anything like that. But if I suddenly found myself without a car or had to sell the one I have for something less that would be fine with me. It is just transportation.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand. The driving instinct is strong in me. It's in every fiber of my being, it's an aspect of my souls very essence. To be denied the right to drive is to be denied the right of my soul to grow.
It's not just transportation...it is a birthright, it's a symbol of worthieness to the world.
I wonder what curse is upon me that causes me to continuously be around those who have somekind of unnatural dislike of cars?
I have done meditations, I have looked into other realities. I have seen that when I have a car I am a succes in life. When I am consigned to walking or biking I am too exhausted for anything else and it's KILLING MY SOUL to be kept from honoring my DRIVING INSTINCT.
You wouldn't put a fish in the treetops or a monkey at teh bottom of the sea, and yet there are forces attempting to keep me upon a bike. It's like forcing a child to move by crawling when he's 8 and can run. it's INSANE.
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Original post: Nicholas777
[QUOTE=hitman777] I have too much going on to bone up on my driving. (I may be a little rusty at the moment.)[/QUOTE]
I don't have that problem. I have always been an excellent driver and will always be an excellent driver.
Nicholas
[QUOTE=hitman777] I have too much going on to bone up on my driving. (I may be a little rusty at the moment.)[/QUOTE]
I don't have that problem. I have always been an excellent driver and will always be an excellent driver.
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Original post: Nicholas777
[QUOTE=Quidgyboo]I have no car and it doesn't bother me. I think you're getting a tad enthusiastic with your thrive/drive comparisons there though buddy :lol: .[/QUOTE]
Well then perhaps you are not a driver. How can I be anything but enthusiatic when it comes to driving
??
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[QUOTE=Quidgyboo]I have no car and it doesn't bother me. I think you're getting a tad enthusiastic with your thrive/drive comparisons there though buddy :lol: .[/QUOTE]
Well then perhaps you are not a driver. How can I be anything but enthusiatic when it comes to driving
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Original post: Fr. Qim
No, driving is not a right. Thriving is not a right either. Success is not a right.
No, driving is not a right. Thriving is not a right either. Success is not a right.
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Original post: Nicholas777
[QUOTE=Fr. Qim]No, driving is not a right. Thriving is not a right either. Success is not a right.[/QUOTE]
They are rights to be won through effort and they shall be won and those who oppose me shall find their remains littering the floor.
Stong words? Yes, but my enemies seem to only understand a firm hand.
Nicholas
[QUOTE=Fr. Qim]No, driving is not a right. Thriving is not a right either. Success is not a right.[/QUOTE]
They are rights to be won through effort and they shall be won and those who oppose me shall find their remains littering the floor.
Stong words? Yes, but my enemies seem to only understand a firm hand.
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Original post: Fr. Qim
I wish you luck in your endevors, and hope your magick is successful. If it is part of your true Will to drive, than any who oppose you in this are in error. No one but you is in a position to determine what your True Will is. It is not essential to mine at this time, although not driving is certainly an inconvienience. To say that driving is a right a priori because it is necessary in order to "thrive" is a double error. One, it is possible to survive and even "thrive" without driving. I cannot drive at present yet make close to 50,000 a year. Two, "thriving" is not a guaranteed right. You have the duty to find your will, and follow it, but your success in either of these actions is by no means guaranteed. It is possible to fall into error and perish. The world will destroy or reward according to your skill and art in dealing with it. Lex Talionis.
I wish you luck in your endevors, and hope your magick is successful. If it is part of your true Will to drive, than any who oppose you in this are in error. No one but you is in a position to determine what your True Will is. It is not essential to mine at this time, although not driving is certainly an inconvienience. To say that driving is a right a priori because it is necessary in order to "thrive" is a double error. One, it is possible to survive and even "thrive" without driving. I cannot drive at present yet make close to 50,000 a year. Two, "thriving" is not a guaranteed right. You have the duty to find your will, and follow it, but your success in either of these actions is by no means guaranteed. It is possible to fall into error and perish. The world will destroy or reward according to your skill and art in dealing with it. Lex Talionis.
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Original post: Nicholas777
[QUOTE=Fr. Qim]I wish you luck in your endevors, and hope your magick is successful. If it is part of your true Will to drive, than any who oppose you in this are in error. No one but you is in a position to determine what your True Will is. It is not essential to mine at this time, although not driving is certainly an inconvienience. To say that driving is a right a priori because it is necessary in order to "thrive" is a double error. One, it is possible to survive and even "thrive" without driving. I cannot drive at present yet make close to 50,000 a year. Two, "thriving" is not a guaranteed right. You have the duty to find your will, and follow it, but your success in either of these actions is by no means guaranteed. It is possible to fall into error and perish. The world will destroy or reward according to your skill and art in dealing with it. Lex Talionis.[/QUOTE]
I understand and agree with what you are saying. I just know what is right for me and yet get countless people telling me otherwise. 9 of 10 of those advice givers usually give bad advice.
One reason why I like OF so much is because most people here (including you) are intelligent enough to see both sides without feeling teh need to impose it on others.
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[QUOTE=Fr. Qim]I wish you luck in your endevors, and hope your magick is successful. If it is part of your true Will to drive, than any who oppose you in this are in error. No one but you is in a position to determine what your True Will is. It is not essential to mine at this time, although not driving is certainly an inconvienience. To say that driving is a right a priori because it is necessary in order to "thrive" is a double error. One, it is possible to survive and even "thrive" without driving. I cannot drive at present yet make close to 50,000 a year. Two, "thriving" is not a guaranteed right. You have the duty to find your will, and follow it, but your success in either of these actions is by no means guaranteed. It is possible to fall into error and perish. The world will destroy or reward according to your skill and art in dealing with it. Lex Talionis.[/QUOTE]
I understand and agree with what you are saying. I just know what is right for me and yet get countless people telling me otherwise. 9 of 10 of those advice givers usually give bad advice.
One reason why I like OF so much is because most people here (including you) are intelligent enough to see both sides without feeling teh need to impose it on others.
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Original post: sitri
Driving is a choice - I CHOOSE NOT TO
Driving is a choice - I CHOOSE NOT TO
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Original post: Fr. Qim
Thank you for the compliment Nicholos, good luck with your driving quest. I definately look forward to my ability to do so again.
Thank you for the compliment Nicholos, good luck with your driving quest. I definately look forward to my ability to do so again.
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Original post: Quidgyboo
[QUOTE=Nicholas777]Well then perhaps you are not a driver. How can I be anything but enthusiatic when it comes to driving ??
Nicholas[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I've just never understood the excitment of going from A to B in your own car. And no, I am not a driver so I can not speak from that perspective. I still find it really puzzling and amusing how excited some people get about their broom-broom cars.
[QUOTE=Nicholas777]Well then perhaps you are not a driver. How can I be anything but enthusiatic when it comes to driving
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I dunno, I've just never understood the excitment of going from A to B in your own car. And no, I am not a driver so I can not speak from that perspective. I still find it really puzzling and amusing how excited some people get about their broom-broom cars.
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Original post: Nicholas777
[QUOTE=Quidgyboo]I dunno, I've just never understood the excitment of going from A to B in your own car. And no, I am not a driver so I can not speak from that perspective. I still find it really puzzling and amusing how excited some people get about their broom-broom cars.[/QUOTE]
It has to do a lot with acquiring opportunities and saving time. I can get from point A to B in a half hour in a car, whereas on a bike it takes 90 minutes. When I get to my destination in a car my clothes are clean, I am rested and ready to seize those opportunities. Whereas on a bike, I am affected by weather, i am sweaty, I am exhausted!
Cars say that you are dependable and responsible. Just look at all the hoops the govt immoraly sets up for people to jump through to get a car, and if you don't have the money you don't get to drive. Well you say get a job. It doesn't work very well to apply for a job that's 90 minutes away on a bike....add the fact that it rains a lot here. I really don't understand why I have so many around me who tell me cars are not important when they themselves have cars and they FREAK OUT when something goes wrong with them. There's no consistency in their words and actions.
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[QUOTE=Quidgyboo]I dunno, I've just never understood the excitment of going from A to B in your own car. And no, I am not a driver so I can not speak from that perspective. I still find it really puzzling and amusing how excited some people get about their broom-broom cars.[/QUOTE]
It has to do a lot with acquiring opportunities and saving time. I can get from point A to B in a half hour in a car, whereas on a bike it takes 90 minutes. When I get to my destination in a car my clothes are clean, I am rested and ready to seize those opportunities. Whereas on a bike, I am affected by weather, i am sweaty, I am exhausted!
Cars say that you are dependable and responsible. Just look at all the hoops the govt immoraly sets up for people to jump through to get a car, and if you don't have the money you don't get to drive. Well you say get a job. It doesn't work very well to apply for a job that's 90 minutes away on a bike....add the fact that it rains a lot here. I really don't understand why I have so many around me who tell me cars are not important when they themselves have cars and they FREAK OUT when something goes wrong with them. There's no consistency in their words and actions.
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Original post: glyph
can I suggest you do the things that will enable you to drive a car -
whether that means taking a test, getting insurance, getting the money together to purchase it, whatever, do the mundane things required -
whether you choose to use occult means to help achieve those ends is up to you but imho its easier to deal with the material realm on this one
- anyway cycling's good for you, you are in the world on a bike, in a car you're in a bubble - and yeah when they go wrong the mechanic daemons can be hard to deal with
and you've way over-romanticised them - a car says you're dependable and responsible??
how about a compromise for now: a motorbike?
--oh yeah and true will doesnt come into it unless your Michael Schumacher
can I suggest you do the things that will enable you to drive a car -
whether that means taking a test, getting insurance, getting the money together to purchase it, whatever, do the mundane things required -
whether you choose to use occult means to help achieve those ends is up to you but imho its easier to deal with the material realm on this one
- anyway cycling's good for you, you are in the world on a bike, in a car you're in a bubble - and yeah when they go wrong the mechanic daemons can be hard to deal with
and you've way over-romanticised them - a car says you're dependable and responsible??
how about a compromise for now: a motorbike?
--oh yeah and true will doesnt come into it unless your Michael Schumacher
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Original post: Decretal
Nicholas777, it sounds as if you have only just attained your licence; hence your extreme enthusiasm for driving your car. Perhaps I can point you to a more appropriate place...http://www.britishcarforum.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=66114
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Nicholas777, it sounds as if you have only just attained your licence; hence your extreme enthusiasm for driving your car. Perhaps I can point you to a more appropriate place...http://www.britishcarforum.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=66114
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Well...the bottom line IS that driving is NOT a right but a privledge granted by each state...no matter how much you gripe about it. Your rights (if you are a US citizen) are clearly listed in the Constitution. Nowhere in there is "the right to drive" listed. And from someone who has had a license since 1966, I can honestly say I am GLAD that driving is NOT a right. I've seen a ton of nitwit drivers who had their licenses revoked for some really idiotic things. I'd rather NOT encounter them on the highway if at all possible.
Oh yeah...one more thing. Your life would probably be LONGER if you WALKED everywhere rather than drove.
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Well...the bottom line IS that driving is NOT a right but a privledge granted by each state...no matter how much you gripe about it. Your rights (if you are a US citizen) are clearly listed in the Constitution. Nowhere in there is "the right to drive" listed. And from someone who has had a license since 1966, I can honestly say I am GLAD that driving is NOT a right. I've seen a ton of nitwit drivers who had their licenses revoked for some really idiotic things. I'd rather NOT encounter them on the highway if at all possible.
Oh yeah...one more thing. Your life would probably be LONGER if you WALKED everywhere rather than drove.
Dep
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I'm a driver but I wouldn't say I'm an enthusiastic driver or that I spend that much time in my car, I just see it as a way of getting to work and getting to places in the countryside that would otherwise be difficult to get to. But suppose for a moment that everyone could drive, what about the rights of people to be safe from bad drivers, what about the rights of people to live in a world not overly polluted by exhaust fumes, what about the rights of people to live in a countryside that's not hacked to pieces by roadways, what about the rights of the countless animals who meet their end at the hands of drivers etc etc? You have to keep it in proportion, it's a luxury and should be seen as nothing more.
FFFF
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I'm a driver but I wouldn't say I'm an enthusiastic driver or that I spend that much time in my car, I just see it as a way of getting to work and getting to places in the countryside that would otherwise be difficult to get to. But suppose for a moment that everyone could drive, what about the rights of people to be safe from bad drivers, what about the rights of people to live in a world not overly polluted by exhaust fumes, what about the rights of people to live in a countryside that's not hacked to pieces by roadways, what about the rights of the countless animals who meet their end at the hands of drivers etc etc? You have to keep it in proportion, it's a luxury and should be seen as nothing more.
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Original post: Nicholas777
I'm very sorry that you have lost teh will to drive.
I'm not speaking of others. I am speaking of myself and the criminal conspiracy designed to steal from me my BIRTHRIGHT.
Spare me the tree hugging hippie speal.
riiiiiiight:roll:
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=martin]I'm a driver but I wouldn't say I'm an enthusiastic driver or that I spend that much time in my car, I just see it as a way of getting to work and getting to places in the countryside that would otherwise be difficult to get to.
I'm very sorry that you have lost teh will to drive.
But suppose for a moment that everyone could drive, what about the rights of people to be safe from bad drivers,
I'm not speaking of others. I am speaking of myself and the criminal conspiracy designed to steal from me my BIRTHRIGHT.
what about the rights of people to live in a world not overly polluted by exhaust fumes, what about the rights of people to live in a countryside that's not hacked to pieces by roadways, what about the rights of the countless animals who meet their end at the hands of drivers etc etc?
Spare me the tree hugging hippie speal.
it's a luxury and should be seen as nothing more.
riiiiiiight:roll:
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I disagree.
I'm speaking of driving which is a god givin right.
I prefer fullness and enjoyment over length. What good is going to an amusement park if you spend all your time at the concession stand?
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Deputy]Well...the bottom line IS that driving is NOT a right but a privledge granted by each state...no matter how much you gripe about it.
I disagree.
Your rights (if you are a US citizen) are clearly listed in the Constitution.
I'm speaking of driving which is a god givin right.
Oh yeah...one more thing. Your life would probably be LONGER if you WALKED everywhere rather than drove.
I prefer fullness and enjoyment over length. What good is going to an amusement park if you spend all your time at the concession stand?
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Original post: Nicholas777
It's a money issue, I have been denied jobs because I don't have a car adn I need a car to get a job. It's societys twisted little catch-22.
I have not over romanticized driving, I simply am acutely aware of reality.
Nicholas
[QUOTE=glyph]can I suggest you do the things that will enable you to drive a car -
whether that means taking a test, getting insurance, getting the money together to purchase it, whatever, do the mundane things required -
whether you choose to use occult means to help achieve those ends is up to you but imho its easier to deal with the material realm on this one
- anyway cycling's good for you, you are in the world on a bike, in a car you're in a bubble - and yeah when they go wrong the mechanic daemons can be hard to deal with
and you've way over-romanticised them - a car says you're dependable and responsible??
how about a compromise for now: a motorbike?
--oh yeah and true will doesnt come into it unless your Michael Schumacher[/QUOTE]
It's a money issue, I have been denied jobs because I don't have a car adn I need a car to get a job. It's societys twisted little catch-22.
I have not over romanticized driving, I simply am acutely aware of reality.
Nicholas
[QUOTE=glyph]can I suggest you do the things that will enable you to drive a car -
whether that means taking a test, getting insurance, getting the money together to purchase it, whatever, do the mundane things required -
whether you choose to use occult means to help achieve those ends is up to you but imho its easier to deal with the material realm on this one
- anyway cycling's good for you, you are in the world on a bike, in a car you're in a bubble - and yeah when they go wrong the mechanic daemons can be hard to deal with
and you've way over-romanticised them - a car says you're dependable and responsible??
how about a compromise for now: a motorbike?
--oh yeah and true will doesnt come into it unless your Michael Schumacher[/QUOTE]
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Original post: Nicholas777
[QUOTE=Decretal]Nicholas777, it sounds as if you have only just attained your licence; hence your extreme enthusiasm for driving your car. Perhaps I can point you to a more appropriate place...http://www.britishcarforum.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=66114
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No. i'm 30 and have had my liscence and have had a car, both were stolen from me when I was homeless for a year.
I hear the call of the universe. I feel the flow of reality and yet I am denied by the ignorant fools who dare to claim authority over me.
Nicholas
[QUOTE=Decretal]Nicholas777, it sounds as if you have only just attained your licence; hence your extreme enthusiasm for driving your car. Perhaps I can point you to a more appropriate place...http://www.britishcarforum.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=66114
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No. i'm 30 and have had my liscence and have had a car, both were stolen from me when I was homeless for a year.
I hear the call of the universe. I feel the flow of reality and yet I am denied by the ignorant fools who dare to claim authority over me.
Nicholas