Original post: darthryan
When performing an invocation, are you actually trying to cause the god you are invoking to come into you, in a literal sense, and take over or become a part of you? Is something actually supposed to happen or is it more like a general prayer to that god? Some Christians do their "invocations," but I doubt they expect God to enter them and take over.
Another question - in Crowley's Bornless One invocation, I have read he used it as part of his regimen to attain the conversation of his HGA. But the Bornless One invocation doesn't at all seem to be directed towards the HGA. It seems to be actually for the actual god, the Bornless One, the headless creator. Maybe just a misunderstanding on my part.
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Original post: Frater Manjet
[QUOTE=darthryan]When performing an invocation, are you actually trying to cause the god you are invoking to come into you, in a literal sense, and take over or become a part of you? Is something actually supposed to happen or is it more like a general prayer to that god? Some Christians do their "invocations," but I doubt they expect God to enter them and take over.[/QUOTE]There are several means of invokation; supplication, adoration, communion etc.... The one thing they all have in common is the "joining" aspect. Invocation is not limited to any one method. Depending largely on your paradigm and/or the intent of your operation the methods will differ.
I am rushed at the moment but I plan on returning to this topic when I can.
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[QUOTE=darthryan]When performing an invocation, are you actually trying to cause the god you are invoking to come into you, in a literal sense, and take over or become a part of you? Is something actually supposed to happen or is it more like a general prayer to that god? Some Christians do their "invocations," but I doubt they expect God to enter them and take over.[/QUOTE]There are several means of invokation; supplication, adoration, communion etc.... The one thing they all have in common is the "joining" aspect. Invocation is not limited to any one method. Depending largely on your paradigm and/or the intent of your operation the methods will differ.
I am rushed at the moment but I plan on returning to this topic when I can.
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Original post: Qryztufre
Frater Manjet is correct, there is more then one way, but according to the Glossary availible in the CM library there are these definitions that may help. And please, do not get me wrong, this is NOT a "PLEASE SEARCH" reply...it's just how I'm getting you your answer
[indent]CONJURATION:
1) To conjure (q.v.).
2) The "swearing together or with" spirits, entities, Intelligences, or influences. Usually spirits and other influences are conjured in conjunction with the process of invocation (q.v.) and/or evocation (q.v.) by a magician. The magician is attempting to work with an entity, spirit, or intelligence in order to accomplish a specific goal.
INVOKE:
1) From the French language from the Latin "in" meaning "on" and "vocare" meaning "to call." Thus literally meaning, "To call on."
2) To allow an entity to use your body as a temporary vehicle for communicating with the physical world.
3) The calling of spirits into an object, such as a crystal, or into a Human Being. Mediums and channelers
invoke spirits.
See Channeling. It is done by a magician to obtain intimate communication with a spirit or to assume a portion of the spirit's knowledge, skill, ability, or powers.
CHANNELING:
The process by which a spirit is allowed to take control of the consciousness of a medium or channeler, and speaks through the mouth of that person. Identical to the practices of trance mediums, but it tends to dispense with the traditional paraphernalia of the seance. Used by modern day Spiritualists. Uncontrolled and unprepared Invocation (q.v.). A practice generally avoided and frowned upon by modern Ceremonial/Ritual Magicians.
[/indent]You also may want to check out these topics which go into slightly more detail about Invocation.
question occultx
Easy, or difficult? Kinjo
From Disinfo.com: "A New Approach To Invocation" Mmothra
Evocation/Invocation Advice Hoor-paar-Kraat
And as always...
The CM LIbrary I AM
And SEARCH (Keywords to search Invoke, invokation, invocation and likely others...)
Personally I'm leaning to EVOKATION as I'm seeing that most find it a safer route, so sorry that I can not go into greater detail into your quesation. Also, if you are new to either INvokation, or Evokation I'd suggest something a little less then a God/goddess as most beginers can not handle the power.
I hope that I helped, and I hope that others with more experience with Invokation will reply (This forum is lacking in DECENT Invokation topics).
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Frater Manjet is correct, there is more then one way, but according to the Glossary availible in the CM library there are these definitions that may help. And please, do not get me wrong, this is NOT a "PLEASE SEARCH" reply...it's just how I'm getting you your answer
[indent]CONJURATION:1) To conjure (q.v.).
2) The "swearing together or with" spirits, entities, Intelligences, or influences. Usually spirits and other influences are conjured in conjunction with the process of invocation (q.v.) and/or evocation (q.v.) by a magician. The magician is attempting to work with an entity, spirit, or intelligence in order to accomplish a specific goal.
INVOKE:
1) From the French language from the Latin "in" meaning "on" and "vocare" meaning "to call." Thus literally meaning, "To call on."
2) To allow an entity to use your body as a temporary vehicle for communicating with the physical world.
3) The calling of spirits into an object, such as a crystal, or into a Human Being. Mediums and channelers
invoke spirits.
See Channeling. It is done by a magician to obtain intimate communication with a spirit or to assume a portion of the spirit's knowledge, skill, ability, or powers.
CHANNELING:
The process by which a spirit is allowed to take control of the consciousness of a medium or channeler, and speaks through the mouth of that person. Identical to the practices of trance mediums, but it tends to dispense with the traditional paraphernalia of the seance. Used by modern day Spiritualists. Uncontrolled and unprepared Invocation (q.v.). A practice generally avoided and frowned upon by modern Ceremonial/Ritual Magicians.
[/indent]You also may want to check out these topics which go into slightly more detail about Invocation.
question occultx
Easy, or difficult? Kinjo
From Disinfo.com: "A New Approach To Invocation" Mmothra
Evocation/Invocation Advice Hoor-paar-Kraat
And as always...
The CM LIbrary I AM
And SEARCH (Keywords to search Invoke, invokation, invocation and likely others...)
Personally I'm leaning to EVOKATION as I'm seeing that most find it a safer route, so sorry that I can not go into greater detail into your quesation. Also, if you are new to either INvokation, or Evokation I'd suggest something a little less then a God/goddess as most beginers can not handle the power.
I hope that I helped, and I hope that others with more experience with Invokation will reply (This forum is lacking in DECENT Invokation topics).
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Original post: darthryan
Thanks Frater Manjet and Qryztufre, I didn't take your reply as a "Please Search" reply, no worries
Thank you much for the links too.
Thanks Frater Manjet and Qryztufre, I didn't take your reply as a "Please Search" reply, no worries
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Original post: Grab
[QUOTE=darthryan]Another question - in Crowley's Bornless One invocation, I have read he used it as part of his regimen to attain the conversation of his HGA. But the Bornless One invocation doesn't at all seem to be directed towards the HGA. It seems to be actually for the actual god, the Bornless One, the headless creator. Maybe just a misunderstanding on my part.[/QUOTE]
Good question. My intuition tells me that you will not actually be 100% the Headless one, but done sucessfully it could take you up in a straight line closer to the Headless one, therefore passing the HGA on the way up.
/Grab
[QUOTE=darthryan]Another question - in Crowley's Bornless One invocation, I have read he used it as part of his regimen to attain the conversation of his HGA. But the Bornless One invocation doesn't at all seem to be directed towards the HGA. It seems to be actually for the actual god, the Bornless One, the headless creator. Maybe just a misunderstanding on my part.[/QUOTE]
Good question. My intuition tells me that you will not actually be 100% the Headless one, but done sucessfully it could take you up in a straight line closer to the Headless one, therefore passing the HGA on the way up.
/Grab