"Law of Attraction" ... confusing or flawed?

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Original post: Specktackular

THE LAW OF ATTRACTION
The Law of Attraction states that like attracts like. This is referred to as "magnetism" in books like Initiation Into Hermetics. In eastern alchemy, there is the saying that things "like to go together" (ie. lightning likes to go with thunder).

But, don't opposites attract in magnetism? Like charges repel each other.

Joking, but somewhat seriously, where did "nice guys finish last" come from? Why do good girls like bad boys?

Perhaps "like attracts like" is the wrong wording and more appropriate wording would simply be certain things "like to go together"??

Hatred repels, but people who share a mutual hatred for something tend to attract each other and get along well. Members of the KKK like each other and are unified strongly by the same charge: hatred for something else. So, this would be like attracts like. But, is the underlying cause for the hatred an example of like charges repelling each other somehow? Do they hate other races because they are alike in some way? Racism is basically rooted in fear, I think. Is this fear rooted in competition for the same interests? Is this competition the underlying "like" quality that repels?

Just another paradox or am I missing something here? I am off my nut. I need to stop thinking about "cosmic laws" for a little bit, I think...

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Original post: T~Gothe

I think trying to take physics laws and applying them to human behavior is at very least inaccurate. Outside the world of magnetic physics, like doesen't attract like; Unlike doesen't attract unlike. Like and unlike are not really like and unlike, they just express the "is"-ness of their appearance. In that "is"-ness, they disapear.

That is my cryptic comment for the day.

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Original post: Specktackular

I think you are right. Metal attracts metal.

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Original post: Captator

[QUOTE=T~Gothe]I think trying to take physics laws and applying them to human behavior is at very least inaccurate. Outside the world of magnetic physics, like doesen't attract like; Unlike doesen't attract unlike. Like and unlike are not really like and unlike, they just express the "is"-ness of their appearance. In that "is"-ness, they disapear.

That is my cryptic comment for the day.[/QUOTE]
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Why isn't this applicable on human behaviour, isn't it just a matter of perspective?
Doesn't it depend on what level of experience we analyze?, and less on the fact that this isn't so?

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Original post: T~Gothe

It is applicable, I just think it's reaching pretty far to do so, hence the "inaccurate." It's possible to make all kinds of correlations between apparently disparate concepts, but sometimes it just "gunks up the works" so to speak instead of clarifying them [of course, whichever happens is dependant on personal viewpoint].

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

Joking, but somewhat seriously, where did "nice guys finish last" come from? Why do good girls like bad boys?

Perhaps "like attracts like" is the wrong wording and more appropriate wording would simply be certain things "like to go together"??

Hatred repels, but people who share a mutual hatred for something tend to attract each other and get along well.

Okay, to answer the first...nice guys finish last=traditional male-centric viewpoint. Nice girls also tend to finish last. I know, I used to be one. To answer the second, good girls like bad boys for the same reason bad girls like good boys. Oh a classic! Batman and Catwoman!

As for the KKK and other hate groups, as well as religious organizations infused with fiery zeal, that my friend is the law of condensation.

As you know the Law of Attraction isn't the only law floating around and chaosing up our lives.

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Original post: Specktackular

Lady, verrrrry nice! I like it.

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Original post: Aodh

Maybe the good girl's a closet bad-girl? I mean seriously though, in cases like that it could in a sense be that. the girl/guy see's the 'bad boy/girl' quality and is attracted to it because even though it is present within them, they never express it. From a magical standpoint the most common like-like explanation I've seen that makes some sense is that if for example, you are a malevolent human, you resonate that quality astrally thus attract malevolent entities into your sphere. This makes some sense but then again just because something becomes aware of you, doesn't mean it'll ever come into contact with you. Just remember, Curiosity killed the irresponsible mage. Curiosity of an 'evil' spirit that is *grin* Oh and another note, magical/metaphysical 'laws' don't always _have_ to apply to things such as physics to the human psyche. I mean, we don't have tons of hair growing inside our skulls or have feet on our heads do we?

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

well you know it's always the good guys who end up hauling an AK-47 to their cubicle space and shooting up their co-workers.

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Original post: Specktackular

[QUOTE=LadyHydralisk]well you know it's always the good guys who end up hauling an AK-47 to their cubicle space and shooting up their co-workers.[/QUOTE]

That's precisely because they get pissed off seeing all the bad guys get the good girls!

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Original post: malachius

a "nice" person sees a "bad" person and resents them and vice versa - this resentment causes sexual attraction

now its a power struggle to see who will be the master and who will be the slave
usually the person who wins this struggle will become bored with their conquest and kick them to the curb for the next conquest - the looser is destroyed emotionally until the next resentment/love object comes into their life to take their minds off the battle they just lost or they waste away wishing for the return of the person who made them a slave
good girls/guys dont get good girls/guys because
there is no resentment to cause sexual & emotional attraction
there is no so called challenge

every slave wants to be a master until they become a master.then they eventually become bored.
every master is a slave to someone- even if that person is no longer in their life. they are searching for people who remind them of this master who made them a slave - to conquer them - to finally get the upper hand

example

kitty's father was abusive in some fashion - he didn't love her the way he should have - no matter what she did he would not give her his love - this trauma caused resentment and anger & sexual feelings - she now looks for a guy who reminds her of this abusive father to finally win the battle of getting daddy to love her right - one thing she didn't count on though - if she wins the battle & gets this daddys "love"she finds she doesn't want him any more - she needs to find a new BAD daddy to excite her

Addicted to judgement

when you have a "bad" person in your life part of the reason you don't walk away from them is that you secretly enjoy judging them. how many times have you heard someone say Oh my boy/girl friend is a jerk because - fill in reason here - what a wonderful person you must be to still "love" them even though they are such an A hole. you get to feel superior to them in your mind even though in reality they walk all over you

OK the rant is over

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Original post: Nalyd23

I don't get this one Speck. You have a common theme in all of your recent threads... duality. These "opposites" only exist in a relative sense. I may consider someone a "good girl" and you may consider the same person a "bad girl". Where do "good" and "bad" exist, where are these categories coming from?
I think this thread would have been better in an Off-topic forum also. I do not see it directly related to Ceremonial Magick outside of it being similar to the As Above, So Below threads.

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Original post: Specktackular

[QUOTE=Nalyd23]I don't get this one Speck. You have a common theme in all of your recent threads... duality. These "opposites" only exist in a relative sense. I may consider someone a "good girl" and you may consider the same person a "bad girl". Where do "good" and "bad" exist, where are these categories coming from?
I think this thread would have been better in an Off-topic forum also. I do not see it directly related to Ceremonial Magick outside of it being similar to the As Above, So Below threads.[/QUOTE]

Hmm... well, the Law of Attraction is one I have only read about in Ceremonial and Western magic books. It probably exists in Wicca, since that is merely an offshoot of WCM, but I don't know much about that, so I am only sticking with what I know. Is this forum supposed to only be about ceremonial rituals or something?

As for the "good girls like bad boys" bit, that's from a stupid song, thus the smiley face at the end of it. However relative "good" and "bad" are as terms, they are representative of opposing ideas and temperments. If they did not exist, we would not have words to describe the conditions.

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Original post: fiat_lux_777

[QUOTE=Specktackular]THE LAW OF ATTRACTION
The Law of Attraction states that like attracts like. This is referred to as "magnetism" in books like Initiation Into Hermetics. In eastern alchemy, there is the saying that things "like to go together" (ie. lightning likes to go with thunder).

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The "Law of Attraction" is basically the Law of Correspondence, which posits that similar things vibrate at a similar rate in sympathy (the basis of talismanic magick, for one! - but really, a foundation of all magick).

A "real world" example is a tuning fork and a piano - strike the fork and hold it near the piano - the corresponding string will vibrate in "sympathy" with the fork.

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Todd

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Original post: Specktackular

[QUOTE=fiat_lux_777]93

The "Law of Attraction" is basically the Law of Correspondence, which posits that similar things vibrate at a similar rate in sympathy (the basis of talismanic magick, for one! - but really, a foundation of all magick).

A "real world" example is a tuning fork and a piano - strike the fork and hold it near the piano - the corresponding string will vibrate in "sympathy" with the fork.

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Todd[/QUOTE]

AH! So simple, how did I forget this? This even makes sense in relation to the stupid "good girls and bad boys" example. I'm sure a bad boy's libido is more dynamically active than a good girl's desire to stay pure in many instances, so the vibrations of "badness" would overpower vibrations of "goodness." I'm positive that I learned this before and forgot it entirely. That sounds straight out of IIH.

Thank you, Fiat Lux 777!