Original post: Anathema_Oracle
If people are familiar with the often debilitating condition known as OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) and its accompanying symptoms they might find some parallels with some aspects of magickal workings...will, focus, concentration and intent, creating a sigil or an intent that becomes part of the subconscious etc..
With OCD daily rituals like handwashing, straightening furniture, doing bizarre hand gestures, switching lights on and off become an uncontrollable and irresistable urge.
Now, let me focus on 'daily rituals' and the similarities we can find with 'magick' workings:
Fire a sigil and forget about it and it may manifest your will and intent.
Thus, a ritual like washing your hands 100 times a day even though they're perfectly clean may seem wasteful or time consuming, but think about while you're doing these actions, couldn't one possibly harness these subconscious drives and make what is already an almost hypnotic, repetitive and conscious altering actions into a powerful tool of magick??
I know that when I was younger, I had bizarre rituals, 'spells' that I performed, nightly rituals designed to ward off danger and unknown fears.
It's a resonant feature I think, however the downside to the condition is obvious, it's like a tap you can't switch off and is said to be triggered by other psychological disturbances.
So anyway, anyone who has suffered/is suffering from this condition sees that their way into magick was paved by these fears and compulsions manifesting in 'reality controlling' measures that may seem bizarre, but have similar features to magick?
And to those that have not or do not suffer this condition, do you agree that it has similarites with some magickal workings?
Anyway, I just thought I'd put it into a thread, thanks
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OCD a chaote technique?
Original post: ChaosTech
AO, OCD is a psychological disorder that is centered around the emotions of doubt and fear.
Although a Chaote or any magician practicing internal magick (magick to change and so better oneself, by adding to oneself things (properties) via experience one did not have/realize before), may use the emotions of doubt and fear, their is a big difference. A magician willingly, meaning consciously/deliberately initiates a cycle of this type of thinking for like all magick "change according to will." If a magician falls into this type of thinking and becomes a slave to it, meaning he cannot stop it, an obsession is created. The words obsession and possession come from the greek language. Where as a possession is where a different personality complex (ego) takes over the mind, an obsession is where a different personality complex (ego) merely coexists beside a persons true persona. An obsession though being linked to the true persona, will attempt to constantly influence a person. Similar to the cartoon concept of a little demon sitting on a persons shoulder constantly whispering destructive things to them.
A person with OCD, on the physical side displays traits of low seritonine levels. Seritonine is a chemical that helps neurons in the brain "fire," and so communicate to one another. A person who has a truely clear mind, and is in perfect control of their thoughts, would show on an EEG, to have all the neurons in their brain communicating perfectly. Weither low seritonen levels are the cause of OCD, or the result, is a debate that modern psychology and neuroscience has yet to reach a conclusion on. Either way though, weither low seritonine level are the cause or effect, doesn't matter. Why this is so, is that people with OCD who only take medication alone without therapy, although may improve, do not "get over" OCD. Of course not, as OCD is both psycho (mental) and somatic (physical).
On the other hand, there are many documentated cases where people via therapy alone, completely get over OCD. Draw your own conclusions on the chemical/psychological factors for the disorder, but as I said it doesn't matter, as a person can truely get over OCD via two methods, that being purely therapy, or therapy and chemical replacements (seritonen medication, usually in the form of SSRI (selective seritonen reuptake inhibitors) drugs).
Every person, unless reaching a state of true self mastery, has obsessions from time to time, and even posessions (for example, overtaken by love, in a state of pure rage, truely terrified, etc). But people with OCD, like people with any psychological disorder, take obsessions and possessions to the extreme. OCD in particular, obsessions.
Also a passion is similar to an obsession, except that where as passions are for the most part (usually always) good complexes (they give pleasure, are what you want to do/think/experience), obsessions are for the most part (usually always) bad complexes (they give pain, are what you don't want to do/think/experience).
Passions are usually always centered and so given form on the emotions of love, pleasure, faith, joy, i.e. "good" emotions (emotions that create, self or others). Obsessions are usually always centered and so given form on the opposite emotions of fear, pain, doubt, sorrow, i.e. "bad" emotions (emotions that destroy, self or others).
OCD is what a ceremonial magician would describe as the work of CHRONOZON, the personal demon we all have, that works against our true wills (what we truely want to do/want out of, life).
A person with OCD is a slave to obsessive complexes (demons), that they created themselves, unawarely, due to circumstances of their environment. It's been shown that perfectly healthy children can develop OCD, just by the daily subconscious (unaware), observing of a parent with OCD, or even just a handful of OCD like symptoms.
The complexes of a person with OCD, are like all complexes, dependant on a person's interaction with them, to stay alive (be given existence). Just like a servitor in Chaos Magick, a complex, has no lifeforce of it's own. In otherwords no, existence outside the mind of the person who created it. If a person begins to deliberately ignore an obsession, by basicly pretending it does not exist, and whenever the thought of it "pops up," in the mind of the person (the person becomes aware of the obsession), it is denied it's existence once again, by pretending it doesn't exist. After a while, the obsession loses more and more control of the mind of the person, and so reveals itself less and less (the OCD symptoms in the case, become fewer and fewer everyday), until it is permanently destroyed, i.e. the person no longer thinks in the way the obesession made them.
Despite all of what I have said here, it all comes down to habit forming. Our egos are formed from day one (birth), by the habits we do. Negative habits lead to our destruction, either mentally or physically, or both, by our own hands. Positive habits, lead to our continued creation (existence), either mentally or physically, or both, once again by our own hands.
This is why as a kid, most our parents tell us, "becareful who you are friends with," as other people and their habits can and do effect us, and we can even become like them.
On the same note, the phrase, "when you stare into the abyss, the abyss also stares into you," i.e. becareful that you don't become what you hate, is equally about habit forming, this time, about not letting what you hate become you, by your own hatred for it.
AO, as you know, OCD is something I struggled with for years (infact, although I'm OCD free, I still find myself being prone to becoming obsessed with things, that once realized I go "woah, I need to back off," and do so.). To the point where once in my life, I was so disabled by this disease of the mind, that I had confined myself to a mental hell and hardly ever even left my house. I wouldn't wish this disease on the worst fiend from the blackest pit of hell, that exists. Yes, to those of you who have never suffered this, it's that bad.
If you truely wish to get over this disease once and for all, you have to daily force yourself to resist the compulsions caused by your obsessions. For instance if you are washing your hands and all of the sudden have a thought/feeling that you must keep washing them over and over, or else something horrible will happen, you have to resist this. You will feel alot of anxiety, unsurity, and downright fear, at first, but the more and more you resist by pure will the obsessions, the less and less they will even appear in your mind, until the point that they are nothing but a memory of a time of suffering, that feels aeons ago.
Don't expect instant results, you will be let down every time. If resisting all your obsessions is too much, then just start with resisting a few of them, or even just one. Pick an obsession that the "this will happen if you don't do this," fear from not doing the ritual, is not a huge fear. It's easier to fight the smaller obsessions (the one's that don't mean too much to you, but nevertheless, do control you a bit), and then watch them crumble to mental dust. The feeling of courage and realization that you can defeat OCD, that you will gain from the death of one of these obsessions, will help you then destroy the bigger and bigger obsessions, until before you know it, life becomes how it was before OCD, or if you can't remember such a time, what it is to be sane. It's aweing in itself, and best of all it was done all by you.
Being that you lived like this (thought like this) for a long time though, don't be suprised if new obsessions creep up on you out of the shadows of your mind (unawarely form again). You must destroy these as soon as you see them (realize you are engaging in obsessive behavior again).
When I was going through this, it helped me to see my obsessions as shadowy monsters of the unknown regions of my psyche (the parts of reality I don't understand), that normally are just pure blackness (nothingness), but given form and so animated by my own will (lifeforce, soul, light, etc). Knowing that my obsessions were just that, MINE, and knowing that they have no existence, unless I allow them to have one, I knew that the lies they daily whispered to me, via illogical fears, doubts, and in general thoughts that were anti-me, they did so, only because I had designed them to do so, unawarely that is. Knowing that I am the master, not my obsessions that would dry up and wither in a heartbeat without me, like a plant without water, I began to take control back of my mind, by slowly but surely anihilating them all.
Any person with OCD can become totally cured. It only takes one thing when you get down to it, courage to face the unknown, by having faith in oneself and determination to think positively in whatever situation, good or ill, know or unknown, under your control, or out of your control. Those obsessions and the compulsions they create, are indeed really just shadowy robots given life by your own will, and have no will of their own. But do not believe me or what I say here, instead go try it, and see for yourself.
Some of this I learned on my own, most of it though is within any good book on OCD and how to overcome it. I merely describe the process in the words, that make sense to me. I've been through the psychologist circus side show, spent way too much money, and came out of the whole process with hardly any progress at all with OCD. Most all people with OCD have a high IQ, and so can read, be rational, and understand what is OCD and how to defeat it on their own, with the right information that is. So fuck the psychologists, even if there are good ones out there, save yourself the cash and just do what the books tell you to do (what I have wrote above), as all a psychologist will tell you is the exact same (trust me, I've seen many), or worse, that being nothing but a bunch of crap, and a prescription for a ton of drugs at the end of the session (once again trust me, I've seen many). Also if you decide or are already on psychoactive drugs for OCD, I suggest you do your homework on exactly what you are putting in your body. Some, not all, of the drugs for OCD, can give you serious problems, some permanent, that you never had before and obviously don't want.
As the symptoms of OCD being like magick, well once again, it comes down to OCD is a disorder, meaning truely anti-will to a person, where as magick is not, and so truely pro-will.
OCD thoughts, rituals, methods, are something a person truely doesn't want. Magick thoughts, rituals, methods, are something a person truely does want.
The first is an uncontrolled process, thus why it's a disorder.
The second is a controlled process.
As far as how obsessions, passions, and in general psychological "daemons," relate to magickal entities, well it's easy to confuse the two, which is why so many people, magician or not, cry ghost or demon, so often, when it's just the wind, creaky house, your own hysteria, etc, not to mention why so many religious men and women of the past, sound like madmen themselves when you read their writings.
A person once asked on this forum, "I created a servitor, and have no need for it anymore. How do I destroy it?" The reply was, "You created it, it wasn't created to be independant, so just forget about it, and it will slowly die, as it will deplete the lifeforce within it, that you continually give it by your belief in it (paying attention to it, i.e. being aware of it), that sustains it."
A servitor is a deliberately created semi-independant entity created out of psi/aether/mana/prana/lifeforce/magickal energy/etc, to perform a certain task for the magician. Usually servitors are created to do external tasks for a magician, but sometimes, internal ones. When and if a servitor every becomes conscious, it can become like an obsession, and use whatever tactic it can think of, to get it's master to "donate" precious lifeforce, to sustain itself, and so continue it's existence.
When this happens there are two ways to solve this problem. Either kill the servitor, by absorbing it back into yourself with the same amount of focus, time, and energy you spent in it's creation, or like an internal obsession or even passion, simply ignore it's presense (become unaware of it, deliberately), and it will slowly die, as the lifeforce that sustains it, is used up, being as you no longer are feeding it, by being aware of it.
The first method many magicians call "eating" an entity, with your own servitors this is fine, when eating some other magicians servitor or any other entity you didn't create, this can be dangerious, and like shapeshifting, your persona (soul, aetheric body) will literally absorb the traits/powers, of the entity. The second is usually called "severing the link," between oneself and an entity, or unbinding the entity to your will in the case of an entity you never created, but enslaved, like a goetic demon, bound to your will.
Obsessions and Passions should never be confused with something like an aetheric entity like a servitor, or external entity (spirit, demon, etc). The former are purely psychological constructs (internal, i.e. exist purely in your own mind/soul). The later in the case of human created entities are created by the psyche (via visualization, belief, will, etc) of a magician, but also of magickal energy (aether, mana, prana, etc), and so are aetheric constructs (external, i.e. exist purely outside of your mind/soul).
Aetheric constructs are like a pot made out of clay that although came from your own imagination (psyche), is given form by the raw clay you formed it out of with your hands and a kiln.
To give an example, a person can create a "psi ball," and throw it at another person, and that other person will feel it.
But another person could never sense and so experience, an obsession, passion, or any type of thought or feeling you have, unless they were a very good empath or telepath, which would still require aether to "connect" to you.
Anyway, I hope that clears up the distinctions between OCD and magick.
Just remember, a psychotic in a mental hospital may resemble a magician in some ways, but their is a huge difference. A psychotic is living in an imaginary world, and so is delluded. A magician is living in the real world, along with every other "sane" human being. We just "play" with forces, others either choose to disbelieve in due to fear of the unknown and how it would fit in their beliefs, religious (what is hoped to be real) or scientific (what is known to be real), or are just completely ignorant of (truely don't know, are unaware).
A madman, no matter how much he or she may swear up and down that they can do something "impossible," can never can do what they claim, as they are trapped in their own world of psychological illusions.
I will admit though, there are many "posers," that meaning downright liers, as well as many delluded people in the occult community. Some are magicians some are just occultists and others merely dabblers. Some of these people even write books or articles, websites, ect (information) on magick, which is really frightening.
Some of these people do this merely for a laugh, or to boost their egos similar to a form of roleplaying, or just to make a quick buck (authors) in the case of posers. The delluded usually are semi-insane, and live in a fantasy world the romance of the occult provides them, and even believe they are more powerful than they are in magic abilities (if they even have any), all in an attempt to make reality less harsh for them. Some of these people write information on the occult as well, which is just as frightening.
Being as magicians in general are psychonauts, and so explore, modify, etc, our own personas and so minds, there are sadly many of us who are delluded, if only a little. I've personally went through many delluded stages, but thankfully each time reality smacked me in the face and brought me out of it.
AO, OCD is a psychological disorder that is centered around the emotions of doubt and fear.
Although a Chaote or any magician practicing internal magick (magick to change and so better oneself, by adding to oneself things (properties) via experience one did not have/realize before), may use the emotions of doubt and fear, their is a big difference. A magician willingly, meaning consciously/deliberately initiates a cycle of this type of thinking for like all magick "change according to will." If a magician falls into this type of thinking and becomes a slave to it, meaning he cannot stop it, an obsession is created. The words obsession and possession come from the greek language. Where as a possession is where a different personality complex (ego) takes over the mind, an obsession is where a different personality complex (ego) merely coexists beside a persons true persona. An obsession though being linked to the true persona, will attempt to constantly influence a person. Similar to the cartoon concept of a little demon sitting on a persons shoulder constantly whispering destructive things to them.
A person with OCD, on the physical side displays traits of low seritonine levels. Seritonine is a chemical that helps neurons in the brain "fire," and so communicate to one another. A person who has a truely clear mind, and is in perfect control of their thoughts, would show on an EEG, to have all the neurons in their brain communicating perfectly. Weither low seritonen levels are the cause of OCD, or the result, is a debate that modern psychology and neuroscience has yet to reach a conclusion on. Either way though, weither low seritonine level are the cause or effect, doesn't matter. Why this is so, is that people with OCD who only take medication alone without therapy, although may improve, do not "get over" OCD. Of course not, as OCD is both psycho (mental) and somatic (physical).
On the other hand, there are many documentated cases where people via therapy alone, completely get over OCD. Draw your own conclusions on the chemical/psychological factors for the disorder, but as I said it doesn't matter, as a person can truely get over OCD via two methods, that being purely therapy, or therapy and chemical replacements (seritonen medication, usually in the form of SSRI (selective seritonen reuptake inhibitors) drugs).
Every person, unless reaching a state of true self mastery, has obsessions from time to time, and even posessions (for example, overtaken by love, in a state of pure rage, truely terrified, etc). But people with OCD, like people with any psychological disorder, take obsessions and possessions to the extreme. OCD in particular, obsessions.
Also a passion is similar to an obsession, except that where as passions are for the most part (usually always) good complexes (they give pleasure, are what you want to do/think/experience), obsessions are for the most part (usually always) bad complexes (they give pain, are what you don't want to do/think/experience).
Passions are usually always centered and so given form on the emotions of love, pleasure, faith, joy, i.e. "good" emotions (emotions that create, self or others). Obsessions are usually always centered and so given form on the opposite emotions of fear, pain, doubt, sorrow, i.e. "bad" emotions (emotions that destroy, self or others).
OCD is what a ceremonial magician would describe as the work of CHRONOZON, the personal demon we all have, that works against our true wills (what we truely want to do/want out of, life).
A person with OCD is a slave to obsessive complexes (demons), that they created themselves, unawarely, due to circumstances of their environment. It's been shown that perfectly healthy children can develop OCD, just by the daily subconscious (unaware), observing of a parent with OCD, or even just a handful of OCD like symptoms.
The complexes of a person with OCD, are like all complexes, dependant on a person's interaction with them, to stay alive (be given existence). Just like a servitor in Chaos Magick, a complex, has no lifeforce of it's own. In otherwords no, existence outside the mind of the person who created it. If a person begins to deliberately ignore an obsession, by basicly pretending it does not exist, and whenever the thought of it "pops up," in the mind of the person (the person becomes aware of the obsession), it is denied it's existence once again, by pretending it doesn't exist. After a while, the obsession loses more and more control of the mind of the person, and so reveals itself less and less (the OCD symptoms in the case, become fewer and fewer everyday), until it is permanently destroyed, i.e. the person no longer thinks in the way the obesession made them.
Despite all of what I have said here, it all comes down to habit forming. Our egos are formed from day one (birth), by the habits we do. Negative habits lead to our destruction, either mentally or physically, or both, by our own hands. Positive habits, lead to our continued creation (existence), either mentally or physically, or both, once again by our own hands.
This is why as a kid, most our parents tell us, "becareful who you are friends with," as other people and their habits can and do effect us, and we can even become like them.
On the same note, the phrase, "when you stare into the abyss, the abyss also stares into you," i.e. becareful that you don't become what you hate, is equally about habit forming, this time, about not letting what you hate become you, by your own hatred for it.
AO, as you know, OCD is something I struggled with for years (infact, although I'm OCD free, I still find myself being prone to becoming obsessed with things, that once realized I go "woah, I need to back off," and do so.). To the point where once in my life, I was so disabled by this disease of the mind, that I had confined myself to a mental hell and hardly ever even left my house. I wouldn't wish this disease on the worst fiend from the blackest pit of hell, that exists. Yes, to those of you who have never suffered this, it's that bad.
If you truely wish to get over this disease once and for all, you have to daily force yourself to resist the compulsions caused by your obsessions. For instance if you are washing your hands and all of the sudden have a thought/feeling that you must keep washing them over and over, or else something horrible will happen, you have to resist this. You will feel alot of anxiety, unsurity, and downright fear, at first, but the more and more you resist by pure will the obsessions, the less and less they will even appear in your mind, until the point that they are nothing but a memory of a time of suffering, that feels aeons ago.
Don't expect instant results, you will be let down every time. If resisting all your obsessions is too much, then just start with resisting a few of them, or even just one. Pick an obsession that the "this will happen if you don't do this," fear from not doing the ritual, is not a huge fear. It's easier to fight the smaller obsessions (the one's that don't mean too much to you, but nevertheless, do control you a bit), and then watch them crumble to mental dust. The feeling of courage and realization that you can defeat OCD, that you will gain from the death of one of these obsessions, will help you then destroy the bigger and bigger obsessions, until before you know it, life becomes how it was before OCD, or if you can't remember such a time, what it is to be sane. It's aweing in itself, and best of all it was done all by you.
Being that you lived like this (thought like this) for a long time though, don't be suprised if new obsessions creep up on you out of the shadows of your mind (unawarely form again). You must destroy these as soon as you see them (realize you are engaging in obsessive behavior again).
When I was going through this, it helped me to see my obsessions as shadowy monsters of the unknown regions of my psyche (the parts of reality I don't understand), that normally are just pure blackness (nothingness), but given form and so animated by my own will (lifeforce, soul, light, etc). Knowing that my obsessions were just that, MINE, and knowing that they have no existence, unless I allow them to have one, I knew that the lies they daily whispered to me, via illogical fears, doubts, and in general thoughts that were anti-me, they did so, only because I had designed them to do so, unawarely that is. Knowing that I am the master, not my obsessions that would dry up and wither in a heartbeat without me, like a plant without water, I began to take control back of my mind, by slowly but surely anihilating them all.
Any person with OCD can become totally cured. It only takes one thing when you get down to it, courage to face the unknown, by having faith in oneself and determination to think positively in whatever situation, good or ill, know or unknown, under your control, or out of your control. Those obsessions and the compulsions they create, are indeed really just shadowy robots given life by your own will, and have no will of their own. But do not believe me or what I say here, instead go try it, and see for yourself.
Some of this I learned on my own, most of it though is within any good book on OCD and how to overcome it. I merely describe the process in the words, that make sense to me. I've been through the psychologist circus side show, spent way too much money, and came out of the whole process with hardly any progress at all with OCD. Most all people with OCD have a high IQ, and so can read, be rational, and understand what is OCD and how to defeat it on their own, with the right information that is. So fuck the psychologists, even if there are good ones out there, save yourself the cash and just do what the books tell you to do (what I have wrote above), as all a psychologist will tell you is the exact same (trust me, I've seen many), or worse, that being nothing but a bunch of crap, and a prescription for a ton of drugs at the end of the session (once again trust me, I've seen many). Also if you decide or are already on psychoactive drugs for OCD, I suggest you do your homework on exactly what you are putting in your body. Some, not all, of the drugs for OCD, can give you serious problems, some permanent, that you never had before and obviously don't want.
As the symptoms of OCD being like magick, well once again, it comes down to OCD is a disorder, meaning truely anti-will to a person, where as magick is not, and so truely pro-will.
OCD thoughts, rituals, methods, are something a person truely doesn't want. Magick thoughts, rituals, methods, are something a person truely does want.
The first is an uncontrolled process, thus why it's a disorder.
The second is a controlled process.
As far as how obsessions, passions, and in general psychological "daemons," relate to magickal entities, well it's easy to confuse the two, which is why so many people, magician or not, cry ghost or demon, so often, when it's just the wind, creaky house, your own hysteria, etc, not to mention why so many religious men and women of the past, sound like madmen themselves when you read their writings.
A person once asked on this forum, "I created a servitor, and have no need for it anymore. How do I destroy it?" The reply was, "You created it, it wasn't created to be independant, so just forget about it, and it will slowly die, as it will deplete the lifeforce within it, that you continually give it by your belief in it (paying attention to it, i.e. being aware of it), that sustains it."
A servitor is a deliberately created semi-independant entity created out of psi/aether/mana/prana/lifeforce/magickal energy/etc, to perform a certain task for the magician. Usually servitors are created to do external tasks for a magician, but sometimes, internal ones. When and if a servitor every becomes conscious, it can become like an obsession, and use whatever tactic it can think of, to get it's master to "donate" precious lifeforce, to sustain itself, and so continue it's existence.
When this happens there are two ways to solve this problem. Either kill the servitor, by absorbing it back into yourself with the same amount of focus, time, and energy you spent in it's creation, or like an internal obsession or even passion, simply ignore it's presense (become unaware of it, deliberately), and it will slowly die, as the lifeforce that sustains it, is used up, being as you no longer are feeding it, by being aware of it.
The first method many magicians call "eating" an entity, with your own servitors this is fine, when eating some other magicians servitor or any other entity you didn't create, this can be dangerious, and like shapeshifting, your persona (soul, aetheric body) will literally absorb the traits/powers, of the entity. The second is usually called "severing the link," between oneself and an entity, or unbinding the entity to your will in the case of an entity you never created, but enslaved, like a goetic demon, bound to your will.
Obsessions and Passions should never be confused with something like an aetheric entity like a servitor, or external entity (spirit, demon, etc). The former are purely psychological constructs (internal, i.e. exist purely in your own mind/soul). The later in the case of human created entities are created by the psyche (via visualization, belief, will, etc) of a magician, but also of magickal energy (aether, mana, prana, etc), and so are aetheric constructs (external, i.e. exist purely outside of your mind/soul).
Aetheric constructs are like a pot made out of clay that although came from your own imagination (psyche), is given form by the raw clay you formed it out of with your hands and a kiln.
To give an example, a person can create a "psi ball," and throw it at another person, and that other person will feel it.
But another person could never sense and so experience, an obsession, passion, or any type of thought or feeling you have, unless they were a very good empath or telepath, which would still require aether to "connect" to you.
Anyway, I hope that clears up the distinctions between OCD and magick.
Just remember, a psychotic in a mental hospital may resemble a magician in some ways, but their is a huge difference. A psychotic is living in an imaginary world, and so is delluded. A magician is living in the real world, along with every other "sane" human being. We just "play" with forces, others either choose to disbelieve in due to fear of the unknown and how it would fit in their beliefs, religious (what is hoped to be real) or scientific (what is known to be real), or are just completely ignorant of (truely don't know, are unaware).
A madman, no matter how much he or she may swear up and down that they can do something "impossible," can never can do what they claim, as they are trapped in their own world of psychological illusions.
I will admit though, there are many "posers," that meaning downright liers, as well as many delluded people in the occult community. Some are magicians some are just occultists and others merely dabblers. Some of these people even write books or articles, websites, ect (information) on magick, which is really frightening.
Some of these people do this merely for a laugh, or to boost their egos similar to a form of roleplaying, or just to make a quick buck (authors) in the case of posers. The delluded usually are semi-insane, and live in a fantasy world the romance of the occult provides them, and even believe they are more powerful than they are in magic abilities (if they even have any), all in an attempt to make reality less harsh for them. Some of these people write information on the occult as well, which is just as frightening.
Being as magicians in general are psychonauts, and so explore, modify, etc, our own personas and so minds, there are sadly many of us who are delluded, if only a little. I've personally went through many delluded stages, but thankfully each time reality smacked me in the face and brought me out of it.
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OCD a chaote technique?
Original post: Anathema_Oracle
Chaostech, I completely agree with your above statements, I guess I was in a dark mood when I wrote that thread, in that I find myself using magick for the 'wrong' reasons rather then exploring the path of empowerment and betterment and experimentation.
That was an excellent response and covered the matter thoroughly!
Chaostech, I completely agree with your above statements, I guess I was in a dark mood when I wrote that thread, in that I find myself using magick for the 'wrong' reasons rather then exploring the path of empowerment and betterment and experimentation.
That was an excellent response and covered the matter thoroughly!
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Does anyone else here think that ChaosTech has access to some kind of time machine. To produce such extensive, well thought out posts time after time...maybe ChaosTech is really a hive mind! Or an AI that has managed to bridge time from the future to post on OF. Aha, we have uncovered your sectret at last
Does anyone else here think that ChaosTech has access to some kind of time machine. To produce such extensive, well thought out posts time after time...maybe ChaosTech is really a hive mind! Or an AI that has managed to bridge time from the future to post on OF. Aha, we have uncovered your sectret at last
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I agree, I think chaos tech is a mutated DSM search engine program that's somehow managed to incorporate insightful views on magick and 'hey presto!' he comes up with these excellent conclusions...go figure
I agree, I think chaos tech is a mutated DSM search engine program that's somehow managed to incorporate insightful views on magick and 'hey presto!' he comes up with these excellent conclusions...go figure
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Haha...Beep! We are the ChaosTech, resistance is futile, prepare to be assimilated.
All your bases are belong to us! (Only you cyberpunks, h4X0rz, and geeks will probably get this one. :lol: )
Haha...Beep! We are the ChaosTech, resistance is futile, prepare to be assimilated.
All your bases are belong to us! (Only you cyberpunks, h4X0rz, and geeks will probably get this one. :lol: )
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Original post: Anathema_Oracle
I must be a geek, I do love that proto-jpop ditty
I must be a geek, I do love that proto-jpop ditty
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YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME.
Also, yes. I don't quite recall you being this incredibly verbose and knowledgable several hacks ago, ChaosTech, but damn. Yours is becoming a name I like seeing in a thread -- sort of like Gordo when I'm in EF
YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME.
Also, yes. I don't quite recall you being this incredibly verbose and knowledgable several hacks ago, ChaosTech, but damn. Yours is becoming a name I like seeing in a thread -- sort of like Gordo when I'm in EF
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Original post: Nalyd23
I think ChaosTech just obsessively compulsively types a lot of words to make his points. Just kidding, well, maybe.:shock:
I think ChaosTech just obsessively compulsively types a lot of words to make his points.
Just kidding, well, maybe.:shock:
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Ok,I have magical thinking OCD,so I worried about creating curse for certain actions/stuffs to cause harm to.. .myself/other people,I worried for quite some time,I even invent so-called rituals that supposedly can destroy the curses,so the question is can worry about curses create curses that tag.. .on something?.. ... .Or some kind of servitor or superstition?(assuming superstition actually functions by some force of it's own due to too many people.. .believing in it).. .Actually I am not even a dabbler in magick,I just got worried by law of attraction.. .Thanks.. .
Later it got a little bit more complex,so I am not sure if it is a false memory or not ,I suspect myself wishing myself to be the target instead of someone else on some of the issues I was worrying about.. .And there might be a time I kind of got a Tourette symptom that.. .makes me.. . babbles out about cursing this or that thing or something.. . like that.. .And there is a time(actually I still.. .do it but more careful this time.. ... .).. .I sort of say in.. ... .my.. .mind destroy this or that curse then i imagine.. . some energy explode or something,one of the time I just sort of focus and think in my mind rituals,anything related to rituals to be effective forever.. ... .,now I am not sure anything related to rituals does it include curses?.. .That should be my problem in a nutshell,I hope you are not put.. .off by the wall of texts,if don't know how to answer some of them can you at least answer those you know?Thanks.. .While I am aware I probably need more help in the OCD part,I think I need more help.. .from you guys.. . related to the mysterious part of my problem.. .
Later it got a little bit more complex,so I am not sure if it is a false memory or not ,I suspect myself wishing myself to be the target instead of someone else on some of the issues I was worrying about.. .And there might be a time I kind of got a Tourette symptom that.. .makes me.. . babbles out about cursing this or that thing or something.. . like that.. .And there is a time(actually I still.. .do it but more careful this time.. ... .).. .I sort of say in.. ... .my.. .mind destroy this or that curse then i imagine.. . some energy explode or something,one of the time I just sort of focus and think in my mind rituals,anything related to rituals to be effective forever.. ... .,now I am not sure anything related to rituals does it include curses?.. .That should be my problem in a nutshell,I hope you are not put.. .off by the wall of texts,if don't know how to answer some of them can you at least answer those you know?Thanks.. .While I am aware I probably need more help in the OCD part,I think I need more help.. .from you guys.. . related to the mysterious part of my problem.. .
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Occult Forum Archive wrote:Original post: Anathema_Oracle
If people are familiar with the often debilitating condition known as OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) and its accompanying symptoms they might find some parallels with some aspects of magickal workings...will, focus, concentration and intent, creating a sigil or an intent that becomes part of the subconscious etc..
With OCD daily rituals like handwashing, straightening furniture, doing bizarre hand gestures, switching lights on and off become an uncontrollable and irresistable urge.
Now, let me focus on 'daily rituals' and the similarities we can find with 'magick' workings:
Fire a sigil and forget about it and it may manifest your will and intent.
Thus, a ritual like washing your hands 100 times a day even though they're perfectly clean may seem wasteful or time consuming, but think about while you're doing these actions, couldn't one possibly harness these subconscious drives and make what is already an almost hypnotic, repetitive and conscious altering actions into a powerful tool of magick??
I know that when I was younger, I had bizarre rituals, 'spells' that I performed, nightly rituals designed to ward off danger and unknown fears.
It's a resonant feature I think, however the downside to the condition is obvious, it's like a tap you can't switch off and is said to be triggered by other psychological disturbances.
So anyway, anyone who has suffered/is suffering from this condition sees that their way into magick was paved by these fears and compulsions manifesting in 'reality controlling' measures that may seem bizarre, but have similar features to magick?
And to those that have not or do not suffer this condition, do you agree that it has similarites with some magickal workings?
Anyway, I just thought I'd put it into a thread, thanks
I recently went through exactly what you posted in the OP and am wondering how to deal with it. I have had OCD my whole life, and recently got interrupted by a very intrusive thought. I do have a Servitor that I have created to weed anything in my OCD life that cuts me off from my True Will, and I am also researching the I.O.B. technique, and even creating a "Mental Hotel" for my obsessions. But yeah, the anxiety is the same for me. If you have an intrusive thought during a ritual, hopefully it wouldn't cause a bad spin on the manifestation? I don't think so, because if you truly had bad intentions then you would purposefully be doing the ritual around those intentions and that would be Black Magick/Sorcery. The fact that the intrusive thought causes anxiety already tells you that it's not what you want. I think it might only take away from the full potency of the ritual at best. But as you and I know, it's not that simple when trying to convince your OCD mind
Anyone else have thoughts?