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Original post: Sinasbin

Pursuit of knowledge has led me down some truly dark and twisted alleyways of the utmost depravity. In the search for truth, certain ideas, though not acted upon, must be made consciously aware. For though ignorance is bliss, knowledge is power. And in cognizance we find new truth.

Exploring such a heretical path [as Satanism] has lead me into considerations once not dreamed upon by my once, more innocent self. But now here I am, and I come bearing gifts!

A little food for thought, something to ponder when you find yourself devoid of things left to ponder. Our topic being culling. Though I have only just became aware of the term it has brought about an interesting question of which I would like to share with the rest of you. A most simple question. One, in which it's very premises lies certainly in cultural, societal, even civilizational taboo. Hell, it has been set in stone for thousands of years. And yet it occurs all too often.

My question is this. Have you ever considered yourself capable of taking another human life? Has such an idea ever been brought to the forefront of your consciousness?

Naturally, be brutally honest.

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Everyone is capable of taking human life given the proper conditions. We do so through drinking, eating, having sex, etc. by cutting off potential resources and possibilities for life.

Now, if the question changes to "have you ever considered yourself capable of directly taking the life of another," then yes. I used to be what I would now consider very mentally inbalanced, and if I had evolved in the same mold as I had placed myself it wouldn't suprise me if at some point down the road I would have killed or at least seriously injured someone for some minor infraction against my dignity. Of course I also think if most people honestly looked at themselves they would find such an infantile mentality in their past.

I think the urge to destroy life pops through most peoples heads at some point, when rage boils over and the desire to cut off the source or somebody upon which our perception of the source can be easily projected becomes paramount. However, this is rarely followed through by anyone as the reaction is quickly filtered through the intellectual and emotional drives and transfered into some other means of expression.

Now I can't think of a good reason why anybody would want to kill anybody. The most typical reason I think they would is because they identify themselves with some outside value or object, and when the status of that object is naturally and inevitable challenged by the cold and uncaring world their survival drive kicks into gear and it's kill or be killed (though their death would be purely figurative, to them it's the same).

An example: Dave has been married for 15 years to his high school sweetheart, Susan. Because of the time and work he's put into his marriage it's become a massive storehouse for libido, and on top of that it has become a fallback replacement of sorts for any internal process because of the fear of freedom typically found in domesticated apes.
Suddenly Susan seems distant, she's losing interest in the marriage and Dave suspects she's seeing something else. Instead of using this as an opportunity to evolve, Dave becomes restrictive in order to maintain his adopted individuality (ie the marriage). He keeps track of where she's at, who she's with, and where she's going at all times in an attempt to control the variables at play within the constructs of their relationship and by default, himself.
One day Dave finds out Susan has been seeing a man on the side. The marriage, and thus his personality as well as self worth are threatened, and as far as he is concerned his life is in danger. He gets a gun, and eliminates the unpredictable variable. Now that that particular variable is out of the way, he'll find a new one that's even more destructive to replace the vacuum.

This is an extreme case, of course, but I think it illustrates the point well.

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As an addendum I implore you to consider varying aspects, the many facets that make up the entirety of the question.

Recognizing the ability to kill out of wrath, spite or anger, or in self-defense. Out of rage. Out of increase in adrenaline. Hot-blooded murder.

Also from the opposite spectrum: the cold-blooded. Taking orders. Following protocol. Premeditative action. The value of life. The connotation of weakness being applied to an appropriate scenario. [If such connotation can be accepted by your own individual rationality]

From all angles, so to speak.

[note: I did not see your reply T~Goethe. This addendum has no relation to your post. Also, I appreciate your reply!]

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My question is this. Have you ever considered yourself capable of taking another human life? Has such an idea ever been brought to the forefront of your consciousness?
Naturally, be brutally honest.
Not only capable but eager...but this is ultimately NOT a good topic for a public forum as there is absolutely nothing I know of that will be more immediately misconstrued. Still - I am fascinated by your activity of late Sinasbin...you seem to be on fire...it's kewl to watch...

When this topic was first breeched some months back I was put off by it due to the way it was presented so I didn't put in much on it. I don't know if any of what I have to say will be clear. I have to cloak it to some extent. When we discuss culling, in its highest sense, we are discussing the dance of Shiva, we are discussing the way of complete and all-encompassing destruction against anything and everything that stands between us and our preappointed task. We are not wallowing in the cruel torment of a handful of meaningless victims that may stumble into our pots...indeed, these kinds of indulgences would only serve to throw our axles out of balance, our engines out of sync. Yet there remains the issue of destruction that must in fact be attended to and attended to with force and fire and if billions should perish in the fray...then so mote it be...there can be no turning back.

More than this I am not comfortable discussing in such a public place. In saying what I am saying I am not suggesting turning this into some fanciful esoteric that only exists within the mind. We are under attack in this world and we are under attack from universal quarters. There is that which must be destroyed without pity, without exception. Consider the merits of your targets before you launch into these treacherous waters. That you must strike violently and unilaterally goes without saying. But who you hit and how you hit it is even more important than the thrill of lashing out.

I will leave off the matter of basic self-defense since I think that this is perfectly academic. Any of us can kill if pushed to it, and in truth, any of us would derive a certain pleasure from the killing. To imagine otherwise is to misinterpret human nature altogether. We are not angels, we have not wings. We are the most dangerous animal ever walked this earth and down deep inside, we all know it.

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[QUOTE=Sinasbin]
My question is this. Have you ever considered yourself capable of taking another human life? Has such an idea ever been brought to the forefront of your consciousness?
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I sometimes get turned on by the mear idea of killing all the jewish whores who pollute this world with their disgusting lies. To impale or to crucify.. I shall think about that later.

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m1thr0s wrote:I will leave off the matter of basic self-defense since I think that this is perfectly academic.
I must admit this was to make it more publicly accessible, and even to go so far as say, excusable.

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That you must strike violently and unilaterally goes without saying. But who you hit and how you hit it is even more important than the thrill of lashing out.
Indeed, perhaps the defining feature contrasting the true Satanist from the common grime.

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One of my favorite historical characters is UNAS, military genius in ancient egypt responsible for uniting upper and lower regions. Ruthless SOB but brilliant. So he had this motto "Consume All" which was his guiding principle or whatever...so he knew the path that he was on and there was only one way to achieve it...Ruthlessness and Leadership are a lot the same thing really...but it only really seems to work when guided by some higher vision...some great Unity I guess...

I figure Atilla the Hun was probably much the same, Ghengis Khan etc...We admire them because they were so powerfully alive...civilization will make cattle of us all if we let it...

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yeaah why not, animals kill eachother for food or territiory. Why should we be any different? Because it's morally right?
Think. Give everyone a gun and the crime rate goes down. Instantly.
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Here is a thought, as we all know we are the mutated animals, we still have some of the qualities and instincts we share with our animal cousins, such as the notion or killing, like how Venus666 pointed out. We however have evolved into a creature that can create the idea of morality and ethics. This, much like our human consciousness/intelligence, sets us apart from the normal animal. This enables us to stop our so-called â??bestialâ?Â

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sadly, to even claim the capability to kill another human bears a stigma unless one is in uniform (police).

Culturally most groups have had a mentality of them having some divine right to kill and those who are not them NOT having a right to kill.

I'd be most concerned with people who say either they aren't capable of killing and the ones who beleive the LAW gives them he right to kill (police). Neither of those two have faced their inner darkness.

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Väkisinkastettu wrote:I sometimes get turned on by the mear idea of killing all the jewish whores who pollute this world with their disgusting lies. To impale or to crucify.. I shall think about that later.

^ Example A. ^
Sinsabin wrote:My question is this. Have you ever considered yourself capable of taking another human life? Has such an idea ever been brought to the forefront of your consciousness?

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[QUOTE=BloodStar Nebula]
^ Example A. ^
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Ooo...the Satanism forum. I'm a little scared, though I see I am in good company.

I am comfortably in touch with both sides of my internal spectrum. That includes awareness of the absolute lust and ecstasy derived from beastial triumph to the utterly rational surgery that is the removal of an organic obstacle.

Some problems simply need to be solved. Alchemically speaking.

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After I posted last night I happened to watch Natural Born Killers and there's an interview that serves as the climax of the film between the mass murderer Mickey and Wayne, the host of a primetime TV show that glorifies killers for ratings. I think is very applicable to this thread:

Wayne: And was it really worth it?

Mickey: Was what worth it?

W: Was massacring all those people worth being seperated from your love for the rest of your life?

M: You mean, was an instant of my purity worth a lifetime of your lies?

W: Please explain, where is the purity that you couldn't live without in the 52 people who are no longer on this planet, because they met you and Mallory?! What's so fucking pure about that? How do you do it?

M: You'll never understand. You and me, we're not even the same species. I used to be you, then I evolved. From where you're standing, you're a man. From where I'm standing, you're an ape. You're not even an ape, you're a media person. Media's like the weather, only it's man made weather. Murder? It's pure. You're the one that's made it impure. You're buyin' and sellin' fear. You say, "why?" I say, "why bother?"

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Since one of the original posters in this thread expressed concern regarding my previous post, let me say that it was intended as sarcasm. No Satanists were harmed in the making of this post.

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Since one of the original posters in this thread expressed concern regarding my previous post, let me say that it was intended as sarcasm. No Satanists were harmed in the making of this post.

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lol...well I thought it was funny, anyhow...and it also re-emphasized a point I was trying to make earlier...I kind of wish Aja would join this discussion a bit...he made some point about ONA's intent once before when we discussed this issue..since most of this language derives from there...but I can't remember exactly what it was...oh well...

It seems peculiar to me...just as an aside...that so many world religions seem to be bent on suppressing the killer-instinct in human beings on a level of dogma, while harnessing it to profitable effect on a political-economic one. It's as though they have figured it all out that the way to really control this thing is to cork it on one end and leave a customized release valve open on the other...

Those of us looking to take control of our own destinies had better wise up to this...

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M: You'll never understand. You and me, we're not even the same species. I used to be you, then I evolved. From where you're standing, you're a man. From where I'm standing, you're an ape. You're not even an ape, you're a media person. Media's like the weather, only it's man made weather. Murder? It's pure. You're the one that's made it impure. You're buyin' and sellin' fear. You say, "why?" I say, "why bother?"
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the only problem I have with that whole thing is that this guy has elected to become a martyr for some kind of dream-fantasy of a cause...the cause of being "pure" which I personally find to be crap...there's no such thing as "pure"....

I'm in this for the long-haul personally and I intend to win. People can blow it all out their *ss if they want to...that's their choice. I'm nobody's martyr, including Satan...

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I think you might find some of this intriguing.

By this definition, I am not a Satanist. This is the definition I have accepted.
This is the only definition I will accept. One would be hard-pressed [nay, a sheer impossibility] to try and convince me otherwise.

I am thoroughly interested in these manuscripts. They have a way of captivating beyond anything I have ever read before. By the definition of genuine Satanism, I am not a Satanist.

...I am a neophyte.

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It is interesting stuff...I just find their dedication to National Socialism a bit anachronistic and, well, dumb. I can understand the aesthetic attraction, but still find it a bankrupt philosophy.

Can you tell I am trying not to be a stereotypic lefty?

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I think you might find some of this intriguing.
Yeah, I've seen ONA's stuff...I like a lot of it but I also find it limited, and, well, limiting...My objective with Satanism, as with anything else really, is to be attuned to it on a global level, really. I don't much give a sh*t about philosophies that can't see beyond their own cultural constraints. And I don't even always think of it as Satanism exactly. I'm still exploring the really ancient stuff...Ng etc...Baphomet and others...

I am convinced to a large extent of the principle of unconscious ignorance...that this is the real enemy in the human situation...Satanism offers certain very tangible strategies on that age-old war, but so do other things...I try to keep my options open... I have come to view myself as a Satanist due primarily to patterns in my own life that made no sense before I started piecing them together through the Satanic lens, but I am also an alchemist and other things...In this day and age of global information systems, why would anyone want to shut the door against the unexpected?

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Murder?

Its a dance that can go either way. So I try to avoid it as much as possible.

There are a legion of reasons for "Why". There are a legion of ways "How". But no one ever asks "Where" is this taking me do they?

When we kill, we kill a part of ourselves. It is a rotten thing to think of murder as an act against something that is not ones self. All our conciousness comes unto us from outside at all angles. Sometimes these angles cause murderous thoughts. Whence do these thoughts arise? I'll answer that. From seeing a part of yourself you cannot accept.

Is the action of murder against that which you cannot accept always justified? Now that is an entirely different question altogether.

Let it be known that all things go one way or the other. We are always stuck between two extremes with an infinity of grey areas in-between. I would say "Find the Balance", but I don't know how true that can be. Where in "Something" can you find the balance that is "Nothing"?

But now I'm rambling. I guess thats as good an answer you'll get from me!

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Has anyone here ever tried to "kill" something other than an animal / human? I don't suppose people will get this very much. Other humans mostly don't represent that much of a threat unless they are specifically organized against you...then it's kill or be killed and you do what you have to do to survive...

I probably shouldn't talk about it...but I have taken out after certain gods and there are certain powerful archetypal intelligences I have earmarked for literal ahnihilation and these things are powerful and they can hit back...sometimes through other humans...sometimes through seemingly random circumstances etc... I suppose most people would think that sort of crazy but they don't know the world as I know it and it's really none of their business anyway. I only mention it in passing because I think this topic needs to stretch out a notch maybe...

Now I don't know that any prater-human intelligence can ever be killed off entirely but one can set the groundrules for one's own house and if that house expands into infinity, well, the end result is basically as good as the same then...

The saying "There is no god where I am" hints at this perhaps...uhhh...what happened to the god? In my view, somebody had to deliberately "kill" it for it to have become permanently retired, assuming it was ever there to begin with...it didn't just duck out passively of its own accord...It had to be surgically removed...

But this is really very lofty stuff...I anticipate it will not be altogether understood. If human beings carry the seed of Divinity within, and there are intelligent forces that seek to restrict and destroy that potential, well, there is a certain amount of killing to be done then...these things will have to be violently addressed and resolutely dismantled.

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