What is Satanism?

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Original post: Qryztufre

What is Satanism?
What are the different aspects of it?

I know a few of the names (LaVeyan, Traditional, Luciferian, Modern, etc) but don't really know what they mean or what they stand for. I've read the Satanic Bible and a few excerpts from Anton LeVay, but that is about the extent of my knowledge.

I have been looking for a path for nearly two decades, and from what I've read (Levayen?) Satanism is not for me...but there is more then that, and that is what I am interested in learning.

I am posting this in hopes that a member (or three) from each branch of this faith will shed a bit of light as to the greater nature of their individual paradigm within the encompassing "Satanism".

Further more, if this thread actually takes off I'd like it moved to "Beginner Information". I am posting it here in hopes that more of you will see it so that this thread may be more informed then by just posting it in the Newbie Forum.

Thank you,
Q

EDIT: I searched Beginer Info fer this topic, but like a fool I forgot to search this forum *smacks forehead* I did find this: What are..... but that seems to have ended up as "what are...the different names for satan" rather then the variations of the aspects of Satanism in general. I also found a few threads on a few aspects and will be reading them shortly. However there are still many not discussed and nowhere are they compiled for the novice.

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Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=Qryztufre]What is Satanism?
What are the different aspects of it?

I know a few of the names (LaVeyan, Traditional, Luciferian, Modern, etc) but don't really know what they mean or what they stand for. I've read the Satanic Bible and a few excerpts from Anton LeVay, but that is about the extent of my knowledge.

I have been looking for a path for nearly two decades, and from what I've read (Levayen?) Satanism is not for me...but there is more then that, and that is what I am interested in learning.

I am posting this in hopes that a member (or three) from each branch of this faith will shed a bit of light as to the greater nature of their individual paradigm within the encompassing "Satanism".

Further more, if this thread actually takes off I'd like it moved to "Beginner Information". I am posting it here in hopes that more of you will see it so that this thread may be more informed then by just posting it in the Newbie Forum.

Thank you,
Q[/QUOTE]AE
When I come to this Satanism forum here, I come with a smile on my face and a song in my heart. I had argued with Bruno's martyrdom, 8 (eight years of Inquisition Torture and a brutal burning death, I said to Bruno why not recant and gain your life and end the torture. But Bruno saw something that I could not understand in that time, he was not about to lie just to save himself from those eight years of horrendous torture. The truth is the truth, and sometimes the truth needs a sacrifice, (I mourn for this hero of Hades) But when I read the posts here I understand what Bruno was trying to preserve, he knew Satanism was too precious, an ultimate truth that had to be preserved for the sake of humanity and the Sethian models of humans. Bruno who could not talk to anyone, or write to anyone, (communication from him was strictly forbidden) and used his very own torture schedule to send a message through out time itself and no one in the inquisition caught on, and today that message is crystal clear, 40, 40, 40 40, it the numerical rank of the creative genetics, the true number of Lucifer. He embraced Ningishzida as the true way and never faltered. But in short Satanism is a "Total boundless Philosophy." I have often wondered if Bruno was not just sending a message to himself in a future time? But his message is clear, to me anyway.
Well that is my take on Satanism, truly a boundless Philosophy!
His sacrifice was not in vain!

SatsUrn

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Original post: Interstellis

Some of what you seek to explore may be found in this thread from a while back....
http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=7444

Also, in light of recent discussions, I would add that dissent and discord are important in the satanist playbook. Dissatisfaction is usually what stirs in the heart of those on the path of the Left and leads to an evolution of thought and process. If we begin to lock ourselves in with complacency it can foster stagnation, which is what a satanist actively seeks to avoid. Not that we should all have chaos everyday in our lives, but it's my opinion that a good dose of dissension is necessary in order to grow on this path. If that is too much for a tempered soul, then perhaps so might be this path.

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Original post: Qryztufre

[QUOTE=Interstellis]Some of what you seek to explore may be found in this thread from a while back....
http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=7444

Also, in light of recent discussions, I would add that dissent and discord are important in the satanist playbook. Dissatisfaction is usually what stirs in the heart of those on the path of the Left and leads to an evolution of thought and process. If we begin to lock ourselves in with complacency it can foster stagnation, which is what a satanist actively seeks to avoid. Not that we should all have chaos everyday in our lives, but it's my opinion that a good dose of dissension is necessary in order to grow on this path. If that is too much for a tempered soul, then perhaps so might be this path.[/QUOTE]
Well, I certainly missed that when I did a search...

But even that thread seems to not be what I am looking for. I'm seeking information on each path within the broad definition that is Satanism. What I truly want is a brief synopsis of each path within the confines of Satanism, not the general precepts of Satanism itself. I can gain the basics from just skimming the random threads within this forum. What I'm not finding here is a definition for the paths.

Discusions of Satanism in general is fine, but I'm looking for a path, and if that path lies within "Satanism" then so much the better, but as a whole, Satanism is not very becoming to me (no offence) but I think that one of it's branches might be a fine place to sit...if only I knew which branches were out there.

Did that make sence?
Q

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Original post: Interstellis

Ahh....gotcha.

I think we have a wide variety here. At the beginning of my path I was a member of the Temple of Set for a few years. I still resonate with some of it, and some I do not. Here's a link to the general info page for them: http://xeper.org/pub/gil/xp_FS_gil.htm

As far as sects are concerned, there are Theistic Satanists and Non-Theistic and others still. In the links page I think there are many of these represented, such as Luciferianism, ONA, of course the CoS (Church of Satan), Temple of Set, Demonolatry (the sects of which I'm not sure), I've seen Thelemic Satanism, Dark Pagan sects, there's the group that formed out of a Setian schism called The Storm ( http://www.voiceofthestorm.com ), there's more politically motivated groups such as the Satanic Reds ( http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds ) etc...

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Original post: Qryztufre

[QUOTE=Interstellis]Ahh....gotcha.

I think we have a wide variety here. At the beginning of my path I was a member of the Temple of Set for a few years. I still resonate with some of it, and some I do not. Here's a link to the general info page for them: http://xeper.org/pub/gil/xp_FS_gil.htm

As far as sects are concerned, there are Theistic Satanists and Non-Theistic and others still. In the links page I think there are many of these represented, such as Luciferianism, ONA, of course the CoS (Church of Satan), Temple of Set, Demonolatry (the sects of which I'm not sure), I've seen Thelemic Satanism, Dark Pagan sects, there's the group that formed out of a Setian schism called The Storm ( http://www.voiceofthestorm.com ), there's more politically motivated groups such as the Satanic Reds ( http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds ) etc...[/QUOTE]Thank you, that is certainly more in line with what I wanted.

Any links to the other paths within Satanism?

I was reading somplace about Luciferian Satanism and from what I can gather this is CLOSE to that I already believe. I know I can google fer the answer, but I'd just assume hearing it from the source.

Not that Luciferian is the ONLY path I wanna know about...I wanna know them ALL!

Thanks again fer putting up with me,
Q

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Original post: Nalyd23

[QUOTE=Interstellis]Dissatisfaction is usually what stirs in the heart of those on the path of the Left and leads to an evolution of thought and process.[/QUOTE]I peek into this forum every now and then but I hardly ever post because I am NOT a Satanist, even though I do agree with a lot of the ideas that are presented here. The metaphors do not speak to me. You mentioned "the path of the Left", would this be the Left Hand Path as it it is commonly understood in Magick? I consider myself a practitioner of Left Hand Path Magick for the most part because my understanding of this it is that it is Sex Magick, period. I think the "left hand path" is too often confused with Satanism, even though a Satanist can obviously be a practitioner of the "left hand path" it doesn't make it Satanic. Kenneth Grant has written extensively about the Left Hand Path and I don't consider his work Satanic, nor do I consider Austin Osman Spare a Satanist. Maybe you guys have a different outlook on this, like I said, I am not a Satanist. Please do explain how it is understood from a Satanist's point of view for clarity's sake. For the newbies out there.:mrgreen:

Note : Don't kill me, I know how you guys can be.:lol:

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Original post: Kain

Not really Nalyd23, I think it is two different definitions that may partially overlap each other at times. However, this is a very common debate. One definition of "Left Hand Path" is as you said the concept of Sex Magick workings.

However, in Satanism discussions/philosophies, Left Hand Path is more like the definition Peter Carroll had given to "Black Magick" in Liber Nox of "Liber Null and Psychonaut"(to relate with you as you have a Chaos Magick background). To concentrate and base your workings inward, to see yourself as the center of your world and have the Self as your point of focus. To strive so that you achieve Personal Godhood, to become a god yourself. To pursue Personal Will instead of Universal Will. To have as goals the exaltation and perpetuation of the Self, to remain seperate from the rest of the Universe and to remain concious of yourself, pursuing your personal dreams and desires. "Individualism", "remaining seperate" and "attaining Personal Godhood" are all key-words of this definition.

I hope this helps you (No, I won't kill you lol)

Kain

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Original post: Nalyd23

"Kill me Master, Kill me!" - Benson, assistant to the Evil Genius in Time Bandits.:mrgreen:
Yes Kain that helps to actually clarify my point. I tend to think that "to strive so that you achieve Personal Godhood, to become a god yourself. To pursue Personal Will instead of Universal Will. To have as goals the exaltation and perpetuation of the Self, to remain seperate from the rest of the Universe and to remain concious of yourself, pursuing your personal dreams and desires" is the goal of the sexual current in Magick and that may account for the overlapping of definitions. I also feel that Personal Will and Universal Will are the same thing. So on that note I guess Satanism does fall right into the Left Hand Path and left into the Right Hand Path huh?:D I enjoyed your response.
(secret note : I also make no distinction between RHP and LHP and was simply playing Devil's Advocate with my inquiry just to get it out of the way early on. )

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Original post: Kain

[QUOTE=Nalyd23]So on that note I guess Satanism does fall right into the Left Hand Path and left into the Right Hand Path huh?:D[/QUOTE]Pretty much

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Original post: ReapeR

What is Satanism? What are the different aspects of it?

Very briefly:

Traditional Satanism (Demonolatry, Dark LHP Paganism) â?? The most ancient form of satanism (probably from ancient Sumer). Traditional satanists consider Satan (and many other of his names and ascpects â?? like Lucifer, Baphomet, Tiamat, Set, etc.) as the dark Universal energy/force which is the highest consciousness, the most powerfull energy. It is independent entity in a form of energy of the highest vibration but also closly related to human consciousness (becouse of mental universe). Also, that goes for demons/dark gods too â?? independent Universal energies and Universal emanations, but closly related to human consciousness (you can also say that human consciousness is like some kind of portal for demons).
Also, traditional satanism is the most ritual and magickal form of satanism. Blood rituals, sacrefices (and human sacrefices too!) are performed â?? but not necessary. Demonolatry is practiced and aslo working with different dark gods and entities is envolved.... Traditional satanism is NOT a religion, it is anti-religious. It is way of life. Traditional satanists donâ??t bow to Satan....they work on evolving their consciousness with the dark energies known as Satan (which is beyond good and evil). Both spiritual and physical are important in the traditional satanism.

Luciferian Satanism (Luciferianism, Gnostic Satanism, Theistic Satanism) â?? Spiritual satanism. They consider Lucifer/Set/Satan as a good deity, the eleborator of humanity.

Diabolic Satanism (Diabolism) â?? Diabolism evolved from traditional satanism and mostly from christianity....it was most practiced in the dark ages (and it was invented in the dark ages), when christian church had the most power. They consider Satan as an evil deity (the way that He was shown in the bible), they BOW to Him and they worship evil. They are heavilly anti-christian directed. Kill your wife and your children then go to the church at 12pm and kill priest, then drink his blood, invert a cross, piss on the jesus and burn the church, then go on the crossroads cut yurself, drink your own blood and then summon Satan and give your soul to him.... When you see something like that â?? than you know that that is a diabolic grimoire.

Modern Satanism (LaVeyâ??s Satanism) â?? Read the satanic bible . Non-spiritual form of satanism. Anti-christianity + hedonism + egoism + little of Nietzsche + little of Crowley + very little of traditional satanism and luciferianism = modern/Laveyan satanism. They donâ??t believe in demons and Satan as a force or a being, but as a part of a human psyche. This is the most popular form of satanism for dark/gothic/evil/grim/necro teenagers and other wannabe satanists.

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Original post: Väkisinkastettu

Nalyd23 & Kain: Could we at least try to keep this thread on topic for a while?

Qryztufre:
Here's some info about the different paths inside Satanism.

Traditional satanism: http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/bgoa ... ional.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/varieties/index.html
In short: Traditional satanism is about worshiping the Devil as a being using much the same methods that have been used for hundreds of years.

LaVeyan satanism:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.c ... n+Satanism
http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Theory.html
In short: An egoistic and hedonistic ideology which doesn't have much or anything to do with Satan.

Temple of set:
http://www.xeper.org/pub/lib/xp_FS_lib.htm
http://www.balanone.info/
In short: New age like movement about finding great knowledge inside oneself. Uses the terms 'Dark Prince' and so on but doesn't have much or anything to do with Satan.


I'm not very familiar with luciferian satanism so I don't have anything to say about that.

Edit: I see I was about one minute too late, Reaper just posted a very similar message. One comment about his message, though: The "Traditional satanists donâ??t bow to Satan" statement is not quite true, many traditional satanists do bow to Satan, I for example. I consider the Devil as my Master, the Rex Mundi, why shouldn't I bow for that?

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Original post: Qryztufre

Very briefly:

Traditional Satanism (Demonolatry, Dark LHP Paganism) â?? The most ancient form of satanism (probably from ancient Sumer). Traditional satanists consider Satan (and many other of his names and ascpects â?? like Lucifer, Baphomet, Tiamat, Set, etc.) as the dark Universal energy/force which is the highest consciousness, the most powerfull energy. It is independent entity in a form of energy of the highest vibration but also closly related to human consciousness (becouse of mental universe). Also, that goes for demons/dark gods too â?? independent Universal energies and Universal emanations, but closly related to human consciousness (you can also say that human consciousness is like some kind of portal for demons).
Also, traditional satanism is the most ritual and magickal form of satanism. Blood rituals, sacrefices (and human sacrefices too!) are performed â?? but not necessary. Demonolatry is practiced and aslo working with different dark gods and entities is envolved.... Traditional satanism is NOT a religion, it is anti-religious. It is way of life. Traditional satanists donâ??t bow to Satan....they work on evolving their consciousness with the dark energies known as Satan (which is beyond good and evil). Both spiritual and physical are important in the traditional satanism.

Luciferian Satanism (Luciferianism, Gnostic Satanism, Theistic Satanism) â?? Spiritual satanism. They consider Lucifer/Set/Satan as a good deity, the eleborator of humanity.

Diabolic Satanism (Diabolism) â??...
Modern Satanism (LaVeyâ??s Satanism) â?? ...

Ok, My friends (and myself in part) seem to be falling someplace in between Luciferian and Traditional. Being as general as I possibly can, they have combined the Satanic Bible and the Necronomicon. While most of them really can not stand LeVay they have embraced Tiamat as a "good" deity, that Marduk rose up against with the entities that follow him as the evil bunch, that won the battle and wrote the books (the Enuma Elish in which Marduk "slew" Tiamat). So I will DEFINITELY be checking these out in the VERY near future!

Nalyd23 & Kain: Could we at least try to keep this thread on topic for a while?

I was gunna say something, but was a bit hot headed So thank you for being short & sweet in that remark (it saved me another warning).

Edit: I see I was about one minute too late, Reaper just posted a very similar message. One comment about his message, though: The "Traditional satanists donâ??t bow to Satan" statement is not quite true, many traditional satanists do bow to Satan, I for example. I consider the Devil as my Master, the Rex Mundi, why shouldn't I bow for that?

While it was actually just a basic rundown that I wanted the links you have provided will certainly broaden my knowledge of the differing aspects of Satanism. And now that I have the most basic of the basics it is links like the ones you provided that will be what I am seeking. So I send out a VERY BIG thank you in your direction!
Q

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Original post: ReapeR

One comment about his message, though: The "Traditional satanists donâ??t bow to Satan" statement is not quite true, many traditional satanists do bow to Satan, I for example. I consider the Devil as my Master, the Rex Mundi, why shouldn't I bow for that?

Ok....maybe I used wrong terminology.... Do you bow to Satan or do you worship Satan (xtian/diabolic concept of Satan or satanic)? In croatian laguage this two words (bow & worship) donâ??t have the same meaning (maybe in english they do?). I will try to explain.... Christians also BOW to their God....hopeing that he will save them, that they donâ??t have to do anything, that their lives are in the hands of God, that they have to blindly follow all his words, etc., etc. And worshipping is something with respect, with results and with intelligence...not only fear and hope and becouse everybody else do that.

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Original post: ReapeR

they have embraced Tiamat as a "good" deity, that Marduk rose up against with the entities that follow him as the evil bunch, that won the battle and wrote the books (the Enuma Elish in which Marduk "slew" Tiamat). So I will DEFINITELY be checking these out in the VERY near future!

You could start a new thread "Tiamat" . Tiamatic concept of Satan/Dark Universal Energy is my favorite

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Original post: Qryztufre

[QUOTE=ReapeR]You could start a new thread "Tiamat" . Tiamatic concept of Satan/Dark Universal Energy is my favorite [/QUOTE]Lemme read up more on the paths of Satanism that deal with this and I may just do that. I've been looking for a branch that I can sit on for a VERY long time...it seems odd that it's been here, over my head all this time and I never bothered looking up.

But this sideline conversation is once again pulling this topic off of my original mark.

Four aspects of satanism have been discussed here (with a few sub-aspects). Are these the four main ones, or are there more?


Either way, I will be getting back to that (Tiamat topic) later.

Q

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Original post: ReapeR

Check the Various 'Order Of Nine Angles' Manuscripts about Traditiona Satanism, Modern Satanism, etc... It is a good read!

http://www.murderdeathkill.net/index/index5.htm


- can't post direct link.... click on te O.N.A. MSS in the top left corner....

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Original post: Venus666

Ok....maybe I used wrong terminology.... Do you bow to Satan or do you worship Satan (xtian/diabolic concept of Satan or satanic)? In croatian laguage this two words (bow & worship) donâ??t have the same meaning (maybe in english they do?). I will try to explain.... Christians also BOW to their God...-Reaper

For those who do see satan as a real diety, ususaly they call themselves Traditionalists, it is not the general consensus o bow or worship satan or Lucifer. However, as a traditionalist, I can say that I do revere and respect what satan stands for, while recognizing his Supremeness. This is not the same as worship. To me worship is weak and makes one the "puppet" of a god ...
From a Lavey perspective, satan does not exist as an entity, and is seen merely as a force of nature.

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Original post: doh

Not much to add to discussion really, but I have a website that was given to me a while back from a Luciferian. It's pretty good in my opinion.

http://www.lucistrust.org/

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Original post: Qryztufre

[QUOTE=SatsUrn]I want to explore this but I do not want to get into trouble for being off topic
or whatever. So I will converse in On/Off Topic Announcements for Satanism. What you have brought up I believe is the crux of the matter of Lucifer.
Sats. Sorry for going off topic here, I am correcting it now.[/QUOTE]
Why take it there...take it to a new thread. While it is off topic (for THIS thread) I am rather interested in that as well.

Thanks again for all those links...I read a lot yesterday...still looking for me but at least I'm closer now then I was before.

Q

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Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=Qryztufre]Why take it there...take it to a new thread. While it is off topic (for THIS thread) I am rather interested in that as well.

Thanks again for all those links...I read a lot yesterday...still looking for me but at least I'm closer now then I was before.

Q[/QUOTE]
Thanks, but I am not sure the mods would agree with you here. Satanism used to be a free forum, I really did not want my time wasted by deletions or getting moved or warned. I thought of a new thread also but because the way I think could be problem. Really I am not sure whether or not the originator of the thread has any real say so? let's see what the mods say?
Sats