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Original post: the_pixiecat

ok, so heres the thing
for the past 3 years every 3 months a group of us get a little something in our houses
then every six months we get a big something
common threads
- shutting down of chakras
-feeling very ill
-dark shapes around the house at ceiling or floor levels
electrical interferance, things being switched on or off, stuff moving around the house. (defo not elementals)
-seeing spindly black or green things in the house.
-when something cleansed from place usually follows one of us back home
- things getting past protection - sneakily is only way to describe (ie lbrp done -stuff still got in)
-crystals so full of negavitity they are painful to hold (owned by me and always diligently cleansed at least twice a week):(

none of us into black magic or chaos
tried all sorts to break this cycle but no luck ie: banishment - cutting astral pathways, strong protection rituals, cleansing, crystal engines/grids etc etc
anyone experienced anything like this??
any ideas ppl?
Help - doing my head in now!

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Original post: burnzorz

well, I would advise the obvious burning of sage, and then burning a happy scent like lavender to bring in good after you cleanse the area. Scrub with salt once a week to keep yourself clean (yes you can use table salt or ionized salt). you might want to make some talismans to leave in rooms and to keep on your person. Shield regularly. As for banishings...well the only ones I know are necronomicon based, so I will be little help there. I'm not too sure about protecting your house or keeping entities out without an explosion of energy (to kill everything) or a banishing. Try keeping protective and defensive symbols around you and the house. It tends to help out a lot. symbols have often been taken for granted because they are so simple. But in reality millions of people believed in them and they have a great deal of power more than most people recognize. Try to cleanse your body, your aura, and your chakras with divine white light (sounds like you are into that kind of thing). Once again don't forget to shield yourself as you sleep, and fortify your shield several times during the waking hours.. I'm sure there are people who will help you out much better than myself though. I just went through some basic stuff, I wish I could be more help, I haven't even given you most of the stuff I use.

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Original post: IAO131

93,

My advice is stop immersing yourself in new age white light bullnanny, throw out your crystals and call your electrician. Perhaps its your own dark side wanting expression? It sounds like a self-fulfilling curse, in my opinion.

IAO131

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Original post: the_pixiecat

to the person who replied sensibly thanks, tried a lot of that.
to the person who replied in a totally non producative manner -just because "new age fluffies" have latched onto crystals does not mean they are fluffy - crystals have been used since ancient times -mayans, native americans, egyptians etc
also if you think i am a fluffy white light lover you are seriously mistaken
actually it isn't a self fulfilling thing at all - and by the way, for your information, seeing as how you don't have any on me, my dad is an electrician and there is nothing wrong with my electrics
so before you make a judgement on someone again THINK
just because you are obviously into higher magic doesn't mean you know it all
i have worked in thelmic and kemetic systems thankyou and most of the people involved have too

rant over

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Original post: daecon

You said every 3 months. Is it a regular and predictable cycle?

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Original post: the_pixiecat

yes daecon it is, seems to be every 3 months
strange huh

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Original post: IAO131

to the person who replied sensibly thanks, tried a lot of that.
to the person who replied in a totally non producative manner -just because "new age fluffies" have latched onto crystals does not mean they are fluffy - crystals have been used since ancient times -mayans, native americans, egyptians etc

So has child sacrifice.

also if you think i am a fluffy white light lover you are seriously mistaken

You sure sound like it.

actually it isn't a self fulfilling thing at all - and by the way, for your information, seeing as how you don't have any on me, my dad is an electrician and there is nothing wrong with my electrics

Your dad is an electrician? Does that mean your daddy is looking at your electricity? You said there is something wrong with your electricity. If its on a 3 month cycle, you could ask neighbors if they have similar problems or contact your G&E company and ask.

so before you make a judgement on someone again THINK

I did. Im sorry I didnt say "wave your crystal 3 times and chant jehovah," or "burn sage," or "draw lineal figures," or whatever would satisfy you.

just because you are obviously into higher magic doesn't mean you know it all
i have worked in thelmic and kemetic systems thankyou and most of the people involved have too

So? What does that have to do with anything?

IAO131

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Original post: the_pixiecat

"So has child sacrifice." what on earth does that have to do with anything, a typical response from some one who really can't argue against a point

say what you like whoever you are but when some one comes onto a forum to ask for help i really hope they don't run into you.

if you haven't got a helpful piece of information or advice, just don't say anything at all

please tell me by the way mr/mrs psychic how from one post you consider me fluffy

you know nothing about me in the slightest yet you judge so harshly -
magic is not a competition

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Original post: IAO131

"So has child sacrifice." what on earth does that have to do with anything, a typical response from some one who really can't argue against a point

I'll spell it out for you slowly and carefully since you obviously can't comprehend the very simple equation.

You said that crystals have been used since Egyptian times etc.

By saying this you thought it justified their use.

I brought up the fact that child sacrifice has been used by all those same societies.

The point is that just because something was used since ancient times does not make it efficiacious, useful, or worth copying.

You follow?

Your response is typical to someone who doesnt want to listen to a straightforward answer.

say what you like whoever you are but when some one comes onto a forum to ask for help i really hope they don't run into you.

And I hope that people who are serious about fixing problems don't ask for your help.

if you haven't got a helpful piece of information or advice, just don't say anything at all

Don't tell me what to do. I gave oyu advice, but since it wasn't in fluffy pagan language you rejected it and got insulted.

please tell me by the way mr/mrs psychic how from one post you consider me fluffy

A) You are using crystals
B) You are complaining about electrical outages to an occult forum, wondering what to do
C) You are insulted by common sense proposals like "ask your electric company"
D) You do not recognize that feeling ill can have a billion causes, electrical problems too, as well as your emotional responses, and you look for some kind of sage-burning answer to your problems

Is that enough reasons? BTW i never called myself mr psychic, but I appreciate your attempt at insults.

you know nothing about me in the slightest yet you judge so harshly -
magic is not a competition

Whoever said I was competing? I just am saying waht I will, and you are obviously getting offended. Oh wait, I just realized I was in the Pagan forum... typical.

IAO131

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Original post: the_pixiecat

I wrote an angry reply to the above post. Then I read it, deleted it and wrote a witty one. I settled on this:

I've read your (IAO131) posts, considered your view and found them less than helpfull. So I will ask you (IAO131) not to post further to this thread.

Thank You.

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Original post: MatthewK

It seems like calling the electric company is the only thing you haven't done. LOL

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Original post: Marquise De Sade

Schizophrenia perhaps or maybe its just you electrical panel? Then again you did say it has happened to more then one of you. What about a little background on as to what you think caused it?

What are spindy things anyway? What do you mean shutting down of Chakras?

You worked with Kundalini before? Unsupervised perhaps?

IAO131 might sound like a hard ass but the guy knows what he's talking about. I noticed one school of thought here in the forums that say "this is an occult forum why not give an occult realted reason?" I noticed that CM occultists who look at things more objectivly are shut down by the new agers. Can you imagine that?

More info btw. Or you can try the MP ritual, and get some good energy in you, and open up those chakras.

EDIT: Thats right Matt I said the MP ritual not the LBRP;)

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Original post: Aurum

Do you by chance live up on a hill?

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Original post: daecon

A regular 3 month cycle could indicate an astrological influence. There is a lot of potential psychic energy loose on the solar holidays (solstices & equinoxes) and cross quarter days. If it turns out that an incident happens say, a week before Lughnasadh it can indicate a blockage in the earth energies around your house. I would suggest examining the local ley lines and see if there are any "kinks." Your problems may be a symptom of energy buildup and release, and not a deliberate curse or evil spirit.

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Original post: the_pixiecat

thanks daecon - will check that out


aurum - not far from north wales but not really

marquis de sade - i meant spindly - as in skinny sorry -typed original post really quickly typo. i wasn't questioning his knowledge- more the fact he slammed me immediatly - could have been a bit more useful instead of insulting not useful to name call - could have said something like "have you ruled out the mundane"
no don't work with kundalini.
when i say chakras shut down, they usually "spin" at a 5 if you are active, 2.5 if at rest and they were at 0 especially upper ones. this is my own way of putting it into words- so please don't critisise - i'm tired



matthew k - the eletrical stuff has been checked by a qualified electrician - no probs reported thanks

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Original post: LikwidFace

Ah yes, all the typical "you're crazy" responses that are given to a new user who nearly immediately asks for advice in regards to the negative supernatural experience. This thread may really belong here.

If it doesn't, all I can really tell you from personal experience is that if you starting messing with things you may occaisonally be tested. Take a deep breath and have no fear. Simple. Shut off all power at the house and go watch the electrical meter. Poltergeists can be nasty. If you really are experiencing this have fun with it, because most people wont ever get to experience it. Nothing like some pure terror to brighten up my day.

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Original post: IAO131

Schizophrenia perhaps or maybe its just you electrical panel? Then again you did say it has happened to more then one of you. What about a little background on as to what you think caused it?

What are spindy things anyway? What do you mean shutting down of Chakras?

You worked with Kundalini before? Unsupervised perhaps?

Gasp! Don't suggest a physical cause! Apparently only sage-burning and crystal waving are OK - all else is Verboten.

IAO131 might sound like a hard ass but the guy knows what he's talking about. I noticed one school of thought here in the forums that say "this is an occult forum why not give an occult realted reason?" I noticed that CM occultists who look at things more objectivly are shut down by the new agers. Can you imagine that?

Oh my ass is hard alright. :whistle:

I have zero sympathy for the ridiculous. Especially for people who criticize common sense and practical suggestions.

More info btw. Or you can try the MP ritual, and get some good energy in you, and open up those chakras.

EDIT: Thats right Matt I said the MP ritual not the LBRP;)

ROFL

As someone mentioned, it seems like the only thing you havent done is call the electric company. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen (and turn off the lights on your way out).

IAO131

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Original post: MatthewK

[QUOTE=IAO131;347538][QUOTE=Marquise De Sade;347386]EDIT: Thats right Matt I said the MP ritual not the LBRP;)[/QUOTE]

ROFL

As someone mentioned, it seems like the only thing you havent done is call the electric company. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen (and turn off the lights on your way out).

IAO131[/QUOTE]

lol The forums may crash... be careful what you post...! At least the letters "LBRP" were typed in for good measure. ;-)

Btw that was me who said it seems like the only thing she hasn't done is call the electric company, but with her father being an electrician I guess he's had his fingers in her works and sees everything's fine. :whistle:

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Original post: Marquise De Sade

Oh my ass is hard alright.

You know your cool man. Some of the best posts in this forum come from you.

Ah yes, all the typical "you're crazy" responses that are given to a new user who nearly immediately asks for advice in regards to the negative supernatural experience. This thread may really belong here.

Maybe its the ceremonial guy in me, but we tend to be more objective then our fellow occultists from other paths. Why? Because we like to approach things in a LOGICAL, and SCIENTIFIC method instead of acting like new agers

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Original post: MatthewK

I think Jim Carrey said it best in Liar, Liar when his character, speaking of the head of his legal firm, said:

"He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard; a belligerent old fart; a worthless, steaaaaaaaaaaming pile of cow dung! Figuratively speaking."

The Thelemite wisdom of IAO131 applies to far-flung scenarios and situations of those from many walks of life, and one would be hard-pressed to find a more public disciple of this system who shares as openly and selflessly as he does.

Which is to say nothing of his mean streak which, even when it's turned on me, I find hilarious. He can post insulting and abusing messages directed towards me all he wants, I'll still lol.

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Original post: LikwidFace

[QUOTE=Marquise De Sade;347573]
Maybe its the ceremonial guy in me, but we tend to be more objective then our fellow occultists from other paths. Why? Because we like to approach things in a LOGICAL, and SCIENTIFIC method instead of acting like new agers [/QUOTE]

did you actually click on "here"?

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Original post: Carmin

Nature abhors a vacuum. When you do a cleansing, be sure to replace that energy with something positive, focused. Like health, creativity, etc. Cultivate the energy you want to bring into your life.

On the practical side, have the carbon monoxide levels tested in the house, call the electrician, and then...and then... Go for a walk. Open the windows. Go out, have fun, do something totally mundane and fun. When I've seen things like this recur, its usually from over-immersion in magic, or occult oriented mindsets.

Sometimes we believe in our own powers only when something goes horribly wrong. That kind of faith in ones self gets addictive; Consider it as a matter of negative emotional imprinting. Just supposing. I'm also completely open to the idea that I may be wrong in this instance *gasp!*

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Original post: Tattyhead

Hello all, I'm new to this forum, but not to this particular topic of discussion. I'm one of the other people the Pixiecat is referring to when she says there's a few people with this particular problem.

I would very much appreciate it if people would not be abusive. This is a genuine request of assistance from minds far enough removed from the situation to be objective. However, if you feel the need to be a vicious, supercilious little oink, then go ahead. I may have to point and laugh.

May I just make it clear I am not a fluffy New Ager. I am not a crystal-waving Wiccan, but nor am I a smug Crowley-ite with a superiority complex. I am a person from an ecclectic path who has a very puzzling problem.

With regard to the issue, we have consulted with a Rosecrucian Magus, a Qabalist, an ex-member of the Golden Dawn, a Native American medicine woman and a 3rd Degree Alexandrian. It's not a huge, flashy demons-are-eating my soul problem. What it is a frustrating, wearing, seemingly resolution-less giant pain in the backside.

For about 3 years, a group of us, who work closely together, have had incidences of incursions into our homes. It used to be a minor problem every 6 or so months - the usual set of negative energies or small entities who like to use people as Happy Meals on legs. Easily dealt with once discovered. We've also had the odd incidence of larger, more troublesome entities following people home from a certain building in our home city and 'jumping' from person so person. However, the incidences have gradually picked up pace and started happening every 3 months, and in the last 6 months have increased to every 3 or so weeks.

We've tried the usual cleansing, smudging, calling in deities, ritual and chakra work for protection etc etc. We've tried ignoring the bugger(s). We've tried (in the first instance), checking our homes for anything mundane that may cause the phenomena we've experienced. Everything we do seems to be a temporary patch. Things that used to work, seem to no longer. A fairly complete list of what we're experiencing is as follows:

1. It happens more if someone is stressed or ill
2. It happens mostly at night or dusk, especially once you get into bed for the night
3. Noise phenomena unrelated to normal household sounds; scritching noises that moves around the room at ceiling level (I have had a mouse problem as I live in a very old house, but the traps are laterly empty and no mice I know of have wings!!), clicking sounds that move around the room or sound like they're right in your ear. All the sounds stop if you switch on a light, but resume once the light is off.
4. Shadows of bar or cylindrical shapes (of variying sizes and numbers) that appear and disappear and move/change direction around the room
5. Some people have had spindly black shapes moved around the middle of the room
6. Increased levels of 'zippies' - those little black, white, red, green or blue energy balls
7. Feelings of threat and oppression, general 'bad' vibes - all the women who have experienced this liken it to being watched by a threatening male presence. It's a hard feeling to decribe to a bloke, but it's the peculiar fear of being a woman alone, threatened by a man
8. Feeling very drained and irritable from disturbed sleep
9. Blocked or very slow-spinning chakras
10. Attachments or damaged areas in auras
11. Some changes in temperature
12. Phenomena is mostly confined to bedrooms or living rooms
13. Disturbed behaviour in household pets, especially cats
14. Dowsing and other divination gives very conflicting answers
15. Household wards appear intact, but yet seem to get breached with impunity - things seem to be able to piggyback in

Any ideas?

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Original post: daecon

Interesting. A massive change in the earth energies would account for a lot of the symptoms you describe, but I would expect the house wards to be the first to go.

I have to think, though, that given the wide variety of problems, you're looking at a more general underlying cause. That is, a disruption in the magic of the whole area, and not a single specific entity or curse. It's like, people almost never die of AIDS. They die of something else that the now compromised immune system would have normally eradicated.

There should be a bunch of low level spirits-of-the-place nearby, the Norse call them vettir. See if you can contact them and get their input. In fact, I wonder if some of your symptoms are actually vettir trying to get your attention.

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Original post: Tattyhead

[QUOTE=daecon;347790]
I have to think, though, that given the wide variety of problems, you're looking at a more general underlying cause. That is, a disruption in the magic of the whole area, and not a single specific entity or curse. It's like, people almost never die of AIDS. They die of something else that the now compromised immune system would have normally eradicated.

There should be a bunch of low level spirits-of-the-place nearby, the Norse call them vettir. See if you can contact them and get their input. In fact, I wonder if some of your symptoms are actually vettir trying to get your attention.[/QUOTE]


Now that's an interesting theory! The whole of the city has gone a bit mental over the last few years, but much more noticably so within the last 6 months - Liverpool has undergone massive reconstruction work for preparation for European City of Culture 2008. There's been supernatural problems all over the bloody place in the wake of dozens, if not hundreds of old buildings getting torn down or renovated. I've not heard of vettir. I don't know much about Norse tradition. Any hints?

I spoke to a trusted friend on Friday, who raised the suggestion that it may be what Italians refer to as 'night-feeders', which is semi-vampiric energy feeders that travel on the wind and use low-level tactics such as I've described to cultivate anxiety and irritation before they swipe your energy, much like cultivating a vine before making wine. A friend of hers is Italian and has had a nasty experience with them. She suggested we keep nightlights on and place small bags of sand at doors and windows, which they apparently have to count all the grains inside, which brings them to dawn when they disappear. I started doing so on Friday and (touches wood), things appear to have settled down. If it lasts, then I s'pose we have our answer. I'm not for one minute suggesting we've been visited by 'vampires' :rolleyes:, but I think maybe all the building work has disturbed a lot of stuff that shouldn't have been disturbed.