Original post: HecatesDarkWitch
about Dark NeoPaganism? I have been in Dark NeoPaganism now for two years or more, and am happy with my path. I'm just wondering though what other witches think about Dark NeoPaganism.
I know some may say it doesn't matter what others think, but, I'm the curious type of wondering what others do feel about it.
In more words than say,
Do you feel that it is the same as the Traditional Witchcraft that has dated back since the beginning of time?
Do you feel that it is evil with the fact of it being "Dark"?
What are your views on the subject?
thanks in advance.
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Original post: Ai Shite Maku
Personally I have to say "Do whatever you like." I mean, it sounds simple and such, but really...what else can I say?
I myself have never heard of "Dark NeoPaganism" so I have no real opinion on it in and of itself, but if it is anything like what I think it is I'd have to say that I'd be more worried the creators and practitioners are full of BS more than anything else.
I mean, I don't mean to step on toes or beliefs, but in my personal belief structure and the like there is no difference between so called white and black/dark magic. It always depends on the person who is using it at the time that dictates what the alignment would become. Everything is relative.
It's just my experience that those who label things as light/dark/white/black are people who don't really know what they are talking about. I think they are called "Fluffy Bunnies?" But if it is something that you find interesting and relevant, than by all means go for it!! Hell, I might well be willing to give it a try myself if I knew what it is.
As for Traditional Witchcraft that has dated back since the beginning of time...I'm inclined to say that I don't believe it exists. I mean, people have most likely always practiced magic...but if my understanding is correct, the Witchcraft that we have now is a relatively recent development compared to the fraudulent claims made by rogue historian Margaret Murray.
I could be wrong though.
How do YOU feel about Dark NeoPaganism?
Personally I have to say "Do whatever you like." I mean, it sounds simple and such, but really...what else can I say?
I myself have never heard of "Dark NeoPaganism" so I have no real opinion on it in and of itself, but if it is anything like what I think it is I'd have to say that I'd be more worried the creators and practitioners are full of BS more than anything else.
I mean, I don't mean to step on toes or beliefs, but in my personal belief structure and the like there is no difference between so called white and black/dark magic. It always depends on the person who is using it at the time that dictates what the alignment would become. Everything is relative.
It's just my experience that those who label things as light/dark/white/black are people who don't really know what they are talking about. I think they are called "Fluffy Bunnies?" But if it is something that you find interesting and relevant, than by all means go for it!! Hell, I might well be willing to give it a try myself if I knew what it is.
As for Traditional Witchcraft that has dated back since the beginning of time...I'm inclined to say that I don't believe it exists. I mean, people have most likely always practiced magic...but if my understanding is correct, the Witchcraft that we have now is a relatively recent development compared to the fraudulent claims made by rogue historian Margaret Murray.
I could be wrong though.
How do YOU feel about Dark NeoPaganism?
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[Dark Neo Paganism] What are your thoughts?
Original post: Winnipeg1919
What does it matter what anyone thinks?
If the path has some truth in it for you, that is fine. If you are a dark path fluff bunny, you will grow out of it eventually.
Either way, what I think about what your path should be of no consequence to you, unless you are a fluff bunny.
What does it matter what anyone thinks?
If the path has some truth in it for you, that is fine. If you are a dark path fluff bunny, you will grow out of it eventually.
Either way, what I think about what your path should be of no consequence to you, unless you are a fluff bunny.
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[Dark Neo Paganism] What are your thoughts?
Original post: doh
I agree that it really only matters to you. My first response is it's an oxymoron.
I agree that it really only matters to you. My first response is it's an oxymoron.
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[Dark Neo Paganism] What are your thoughts?
Original post: Rin Daemoko
What is dark neo-paganism? Is it as diverse as neo-paganism? How do you make the distinction? Doesn't neo-paganism already incorporate darker elements? Why is dark more appealing to you instead of not-dark? Is it dark for the sake of being dark?
My thoughts:
What is dark neo-paganism? Is it as diverse as neo-paganism? How do you make the distinction? Doesn't neo-paganism already incorporate darker elements? Why is dark more appealing to you instead of not-dark? Is it dark for the sake of being dark?
My thoughts:
- It seems to be just a bunch of talk, all words with no substance.
- The term has too many syllables. It's awkward.
- It's a "phase" a lot of people seem to go through just before they give up magic entirely.
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[Dark Neo Paganism] What are your thoughts?
Original post: Skeptismo118
Think of it as The Sidestreet of Ill Lighting rather then the Path of Darkness. It has the mild thrill of seeming naughty without either the hardwork or confrontationalism (inner and outer) that goes with a more whole-hog embrace.
Frankly, I blame John Coughlin and a handful of the other "Sophmore Magicians" who were working out their own issues and inconsistencies. Nice folks, but there's a reason you don't go to Journeymen in order to learn a trade.
Think of it as The Sidestreet of Ill Lighting rather then the Path of Darkness. It has the mild thrill of seeming naughty without either the hardwork or confrontationalism (inner and outer) that goes with a more whole-hog embrace.
Frankly, I blame John Coughlin and a handful of the other "Sophmore Magicians" who were working out their own issues and inconsistencies. Nice folks, but there's a reason you don't go to Journeymen in order to learn a trade.
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[Dark Neo Paganism] What are your thoughts?
Original post: Serafan
Do dark paganism but keep the balance if you can otherwise bad stuff happens...
Mmm not sure about the beggining of time witchcraft thing but meh...
Do dark paganism but keep the balance if you can otherwise bad stuff happens...
Mmm not sure about the beggining of time witchcraft thing but meh...
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[Dark Neo Paganism] What are your thoughts?
Original post: HecatesDarkWitch
[QUOTE=Ai Shite Maku;340431]Personally I have to say "Do whatever you like." I mean, it sounds simple and such, but really...what else can I say?
I myself have never heard of "Dark NeoPaganism" so I have no real opinion on it in and of itself, but if it is anything like what I think it is I'd have to say that I'd be more worried the creators and practitioners are full of BS more than anything else.
I mean, I don't mean to step on toes or beliefs, but in my personal belief structure and the like there is no difference between so called white and black/dark magic. It always depends on the person who is using it at the time that dictates what the alignment would become. Everything is relative.
It's just my experience that those who label things as light/dark/white/black are people who don't really know what they are talking about. I think they are called "Fluffy Bunnies?" But if it is something that you find interesting and relevant, than by all means go for it!! Hell, I might well be willing to give it a try myself if I knew what it is.
As for Traditional Witchcraft that has dated back since the beginning of time...I'm inclined to say that I don't believe it exists. I mean, people have most likely always practiced magic...but if my understanding is correct, the Witchcraft that we have now is a relatively recent development compared to the fraudulent claims made by rogue historian Margaret Murray.
I could be wrong though.
How do YOU feel about Dark NeoPaganism?[/QUOTE]
God, I do agree with you on that. Be yourself. That's about the best answer that another Earth soul could give to me. thanks so much for that. really helps.
Although, some people might not agree with Dark Neo-Paganism, It really is out there. And we are just like you regular Pagans. We only have a love for the dark.
Goddess Bless You,
Ostara_Witch)O(
[QUOTE=Ai Shite Maku;340431]Personally I have to say "Do whatever you like." I mean, it sounds simple and such, but really...what else can I say?
I myself have never heard of "Dark NeoPaganism" so I have no real opinion on it in and of itself, but if it is anything like what I think it is I'd have to say that I'd be more worried the creators and practitioners are full of BS more than anything else.
I mean, I don't mean to step on toes or beliefs, but in my personal belief structure and the like there is no difference between so called white and black/dark magic. It always depends on the person who is using it at the time that dictates what the alignment would become. Everything is relative.
It's just my experience that those who label things as light/dark/white/black are people who don't really know what they are talking about. I think they are called "Fluffy Bunnies?" But if it is something that you find interesting and relevant, than by all means go for it!! Hell, I might well be willing to give it a try myself if I knew what it is.
As for Traditional Witchcraft that has dated back since the beginning of time...I'm inclined to say that I don't believe it exists. I mean, people have most likely always practiced magic...but if my understanding is correct, the Witchcraft that we have now is a relatively recent development compared to the fraudulent claims made by rogue historian Margaret Murray.
I could be wrong though.
How do YOU feel about Dark NeoPaganism?[/QUOTE]
God, I do agree with you on that. Be yourself. That's about the best answer that another Earth soul could give to me. thanks so much for that. really helps.
Although, some people might not agree with Dark Neo-Paganism, It really is out there. And we are just like you regular Pagans. We only have a love for the dark.
Goddess Bless You,
Ostara_Witch)O(
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[Dark Neo Paganism] What are your thoughts?
Original post: HecatesDarkWitch
[QUOTE=Winnipeg1919;340515]What does it matter what anyone thinks?
If the path has some truth in it for you, that is fine. If you are a dark path fluff bunny, you will grow out of it eventually.
Either way, what I think about what your path should be of no consequence to you, unless you are a fluff bunny.[/QUOTE]
yeah, I agree with you winnipeg. But, truthfully, I ain't no bunny. And never will be.
I know what that one is meant for. The fluffy Bunny? NO NO NO! That's not me! LOL
I've researched about the fluffy bunnies at one time. and I seriously didn't like them.
They are more less like manipulating the Pagans, and the old tradition.
I don't like that. LOL
I do think that the path that I'm in does have some truth in it. Cus I forgot to mention on my original post, that while I was soul searching for my path, I stumbled on Konstantinos' book, "Nocturnal Witchcraft" book, and it ran all over me the feeling of it. Like, that the book was mine already. LOL
I just wanted to ask the folks here about Dark Neo-Paganism to see their insights of it. I know that there's a lot of Traditional Pagans here, and just curious.... ya know?
Thanks for responding.
[QUOTE=Winnipeg1919;340515]What does it matter what anyone thinks?
If the path has some truth in it for you, that is fine. If you are a dark path fluff bunny, you will grow out of it eventually.
Either way, what I think about what your path should be of no consequence to you, unless you are a fluff bunny.[/QUOTE]
yeah, I agree with you winnipeg. But, truthfully, I ain't no bunny. And never will be.
I know what that one is meant for. The fluffy Bunny? NO NO NO! That's not me! LOL
I've researched about the fluffy bunnies at one time. and I seriously didn't like them.
They are more less like manipulating the Pagans, and the old tradition.
I don't like that. LOL
I do think that the path that I'm in does have some truth in it. Cus I forgot to mention on my original post, that while I was soul searching for my path, I stumbled on Konstantinos' book, "Nocturnal Witchcraft" book, and it ran all over me the feeling of it. Like, that the book was mine already. LOL
I just wanted to ask the folks here about Dark Neo-Paganism to see their insights of it. I know that there's a lot of Traditional Pagans here, and just curious.... ya know?
Thanks for responding.
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[Dark Neo Paganism] What are your thoughts?
Original post: HecatesDarkWitch
[QUOTE=doh;340901]I agree that it really only matters to you. My first response is it's an oxymoron.[/QUOTE]
Agreed on that. It does matter only how a person feels about their path. But was just curious of what others thought about the "Dark" part on the Paganism way of life.
thanks for your comment doh.
[QUOTE=doh;340901]I agree that it really only matters to you. My first response is it's an oxymoron.[/QUOTE]
Agreed on that. It does matter only how a person feels about their path. But was just curious of what others thought about the "Dark" part on the Paganism way of life.
thanks for your comment doh.
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[Dark Neo Paganism] What are your thoughts?
Original post: HecatesDarkWitch
[QUOTE=Rin Daemoko;340905]What is dark neo-paganism? Is it as diverse as neo-paganism? How do you make the distinction? Doesn't neo-paganism already incorporate darker elements? Why is dark more appealing to you instead of not-dark? Is it dark for the sake of being dark?
My thoughts:
what is Dark Neo-Paganism? It is another form of the Traditional Paganism, but on the dark side. Dark, meaning a love for the nighttime. There are a lot of us that enjoy the night time, and we would rather practice our rites and works through night.
Nothing evil or negative about Dark Neo-Paganism, but, just the fact of it being in the night. Where all of the he
ctic energies are asleep, and we nightkind people, we are just now getting started for our nightly ritual. Ever noticed how hectic it is in the daytime, with all of the busy people going like crazzy? LOL
I don't think, at least in my opinion, that it is good or whatever to do a ritual at the day, because everybody is going wild. Playing, working, doing whatever.
that's my views on Night and the day. Hope that made a little sense on Dark Neo-Paganism.
If not, than you may check out http://www.Konstantinos.com for more info.
He's a great author, which has helped me out a lot in trying to find my path of the Pagan Way Of Life.
Thanks for responding.
[QUOTE=Rin Daemoko;340905]What is dark neo-paganism? Is it as diverse as neo-paganism? How do you make the distinction? Doesn't neo-paganism already incorporate darker elements? Why is dark more appealing to you instead of not-dark? Is it dark for the sake of being dark?
My thoughts:
- It seems to be just a bunch of talk, all words with no substance.
- The term has too many syllables. It's awkward.
- It's a "phase" a lot of people seem to go through just before they give up magic entirely.
what is Dark Neo-Paganism? It is another form of the Traditional Paganism, but on the dark side. Dark, meaning a love for the nighttime. There are a lot of us that enjoy the night time, and we would rather practice our rites and works through night.
Nothing evil or negative about Dark Neo-Paganism, but, just the fact of it being in the night. Where all of the he
ctic energies are asleep, and we nightkind people, we are just now getting started for our nightly ritual. Ever noticed how hectic it is in the daytime, with all of the busy people going like crazzy? LOL
I don't think, at least in my opinion, that it is good or whatever to do a ritual at the day, because everybody is going wild. Playing, working, doing whatever.
that's my views on Night and the day. Hope that made a little sense on Dark Neo-Paganism.
If not, than you may check out http://www.Konstantinos.com for more info.
He's a great author, which has helped me out a lot in trying to find my path of the Pagan Way Of Life.
Thanks for responding.
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[Dark Neo Paganism] What are your thoughts?
Original post: Rin Daemoko
I have read his book Nocturnal Witchcraft and it was an interesting read. I can understand the appeal of being a night owl (although with my job I could never do it). The section wherein you create a bag of night was particularly inventive and creative, I was impressed by that bit in the book.
I could also see this as not being just a phase, as it seems tailored to a specific kind of lifestyle, which I get. I have a cousin who is nocturnal, although that's because of his job (funny how that keeps coming up).
I have read his book Nocturnal Witchcraft and it was an interesting read. I can understand the appeal of being a night owl (although with my job I could never do it). The section wherein you create a bag of night was particularly inventive and creative, I was impressed by that bit in the book.
I could also see this as not being just a phase, as it seems tailored to a specific kind of lifestyle, which I get. I have a cousin who is nocturnal, although that's because of his job (funny how that keeps coming up).
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[Dark Neo Paganism] What are your thoughts?
Original post: HecatesDarkWitch
[QUOTE=Rin Daemoko;341013]I have read his book Nocturnal Witchcraft and it was an interesting read. I can understand the appeal of being a night owl (although with my job I could never do it). The section wherein you create a bag of night was particularly inventive and creative, I was impressed by that bit in the book.
I could also see this as not being just a phase, as it seems tailored to a specific kind of lifestyle, which I get. I have a cousin who is nocturnal, although that's because of his job (funny how that keeps coming up).[/QUOTE]
yes, I loved that part also about the "Bag of Night" in there. It was very helpful in a lot of ways. And, LOL I know whatcha mean about your job making you nocturnal.
LOL But, I've always enjoyed the nightlife. And it's just something that relaxes me all the way. LOL
[QUOTE=Rin Daemoko;341013]I have read his book Nocturnal Witchcraft and it was an interesting read. I can understand the appeal of being a night owl (although with my job I could never do it). The section wherein you create a bag of night was particularly inventive and creative, I was impressed by that bit in the book.
I could also see this as not being just a phase, as it seems tailored to a specific kind of lifestyle, which I get. I have a cousin who is nocturnal, although that's because of his job (funny how that keeps coming up).[/QUOTE]
yes, I loved that part also about the "Bag of Night" in there. It was very helpful in a lot of ways. And, LOL I know whatcha mean about your job making you nocturnal.
LOL But, I've always enjoyed the nightlife. And it's just something that relaxes me all the way. LOL
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[Dark Neo Paganism] What are your thoughts?
Original post: Marquise De Sade
Dark Neo- Paganism = Neo Paganism.
All it is, is a focus on night deities, and deities with more fierce associations. I read Konstantinos book, and John J. Coughlin's works when I was first starting out in the occult. I was very young, and it fascinated me. As I grew older though I realized the simple equation above.
I find the subject of blood rituals, and sex magick fascinating, and through reading John J. Coughlin's work (and to some extent Konstantinos) I became interested in these fields. Unfortunately these are areas of the occult that not many neo pagans focus on but then again its probably just from personal experience.
I really don't see a point in such a long title, Dark Neo Paganism. But then again its only my opinion.
Dark Neo- Paganism = Neo Paganism.
All it is, is a focus on night deities, and deities with more fierce associations. I read Konstantinos book, and John J. Coughlin's works when I was first starting out in the occult. I was very young, and it fascinated me. As I grew older though I realized the simple equation above.
I find the subject of blood rituals, and sex magick fascinating, and through reading John J. Coughlin's work (and to some extent Konstantinos) I became interested in these fields. Unfortunately these are areas of the occult that not many neo pagans focus on but then again its probably just from personal experience.
I really don't see a point in such a long title, Dark Neo Paganism. But then again its only my opinion.
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Original post: HecatesDarkWitch
hi Marquise De Sade,
I admire your thoughts on this. This is formative. I have always adored the night's persified, and now that I've gotten into the Occult, the Dark Deities that lie under the Night's sky.
I have read also some of John Coughlin's work also, but, online though. I went to his website, or found it, and was reading on some of his works there. I found him to be interesting too, as well as i did on Konstantinos.
Thanks for your imput of this.
hi Marquise De Sade,
I admire your thoughts on this. This is formative. I have always adored the night's persified, and now that I've gotten into the Occult, the Dark Deities that lie under the Night's sky.
I have read also some of John Coughlin's work also, but, online though. I went to his website, or found it, and was reading on some of his works there. I found him to be interesting too, as well as i did on Konstantinos.
Thanks for your imput of this.
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Original post: Geimhreadh
I have a low opinion of "Neo Paganism" in general. I see nothing in this for me.
I have a low opinion of "Neo Paganism" in general. I see nothing in this for me.
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Original post: Whitewolf
Dark Paganism in my opinion is very interesting. I feel a closeness to the darker Gods [like the Egyptian God, Set] and dark Goddesses like Kali, and Sehkmet. I believe without the darkness there would be no light. Balance is very important to me. That's why I don't follow only a dark path I follow both light and dark.
Dark Paganism in my opinion is very interesting. I feel a closeness to the darker Gods [like the Egyptian God, Set] and dark Goddesses like Kali, and Sehkmet. I believe without the darkness there would be no light. Balance is very important to me. That's why I don't follow only a dark path I follow both light and dark.
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Original post: Orko
I find that someone feels the need to label themselves as a "dark neo-pagan" pretty amusing. Just another trendy scenester name to make something sound more interesting.
I find that someone feels the need to label themselves as a "dark neo-pagan" pretty amusing. Just another trendy scenester name to make something sound more interesting.
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Original post: nechesh
Perhaps it would cause less confusion if you referred to yourself as a "Nocturnal Neo-Pagan". That is, of course, if you truly feel the need to label youself. It seems more accurate to what you are describing and the work "dark" carries quite a bit of baggage with it.
Perhaps it would cause less confusion if you referred to yourself as a "Nocturnal Neo-Pagan". That is, of course, if you truly feel the need to label youself. It seems more accurate to what you are describing and the work "dark" carries quite a bit of baggage with it.
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Original post: Noctiluca Moonfly
I believe Traditional Witchcraft can be dated back to the beginning of human history, if not, then sometime relatively close to that. Not as witchraft, obviously, but as lots of other similar yet somewhat differing (based on cultures or other groups of people) practices. I do not think that Dark Paganism has anything to do with Traditional Withcraft as Trad Witches sought balance of light and dark. Focusing on complete darkness isn't going to accomplish things as easily, or at all. Though, there are probably some Trad Witches who have tried that. Also, Trad Witches don't always worship deities, but rather believe in a sexual polarization of nature energy.
Of course Dark NeoPaganism isn't evil. There is no good or evil. The darkness is just that: darkness, and used without light, or vice versa, it's pretty boring and somewhat useless.
Unless of course, it comes to clothing, make-up, and hair. But then again, I'm into the Goth subculture, so that explains that.
But, if you really want to call yourself a Dark NeoPagan, why not just drop the Neo? Unless of course you are practicing beliefs created during the NeoPagan movement (i.e. wicca). But, you mentioned a lot of stuff about Traditional Witchraft so I don't think you're doing that.
I believe Traditional Witchcraft can be dated back to the beginning of human history, if not, then sometime relatively close to that. Not as witchraft, obviously, but as lots of other similar yet somewhat differing (based on cultures or other groups of people) practices. I do not think that Dark Paganism has anything to do with Traditional Withcraft as Trad Witches sought balance of light and dark. Focusing on complete darkness isn't going to accomplish things as easily, or at all. Though, there are probably some Trad Witches who have tried that. Also, Trad Witches don't always worship deities, but rather believe in a sexual polarization of nature energy.
Of course Dark NeoPaganism isn't evil. There is no good or evil. The darkness is just that: darkness, and used without light, or vice versa, it's pretty boring and somewhat useless.
Unless of course, it comes to clothing, make-up, and hair. But then again, I'm into the Goth subculture, so that explains that.
But, if you really want to call yourself a Dark NeoPagan, why not just drop the Neo? Unless of course you are practicing beliefs created during the NeoPagan movement (i.e. wicca). But, you mentioned a lot of stuff about Traditional Witchraft so I don't think you're doing that.
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Original post: Oryx
I think the only reason one would have use for the term "Dark Neo-Pagan" is if they are interested in being associated with the darker subcultures (gothic, ect). I see why Paganism in general is considered "darker" than other mainstream paths out there. Pagans are more familiar with their "darker" sides - the inner bits that most people do not want to face. But it's about balance.
I used to be into the gothic subculture, and considered myself to be a "dark" pagan, but as I learned, and as it was said previously here - Dark Paganism = Paganism = Light Paganism.
I think the only reason one would have use for the term "Dark Neo-Pagan" is if they are interested in being associated with the darker subcultures (gothic, ect). I see why Paganism in general is considered "darker" than other mainstream paths out there. Pagans are more familiar with their "darker" sides - the inner bits that most people do not want to face. But it's about balance.
I used to be into the gothic subculture, and considered myself to be a "dark" pagan, but as I learned, and as it was said previously here - Dark Paganism = Paganism = Light Paganism.