Original post: Master 27
If All Gods Are One God, Then All Humans Are One Human.
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Original post: Rend Sever
or are all humans one god?
or are all humans one god?
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Original post: EtuMalku
All Gods are not One God and neither does that pertain to humans.
What makes you say this in the first place?
explain:
All Gods are not One God and neither does that pertain to humans.
What makes you say this in the first place?
explain:
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Original post: Scarlett_156
There is no god where I am. Therefore there is no other human besides me. Elementary, my dear Dobbson.
There is no god where I am. Therefore there is no other human besides me. Elementary, my dear Dobbson.
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Original post: High Priest Enki
if all gods are one god and all humans are one human then all humans would also be god as a section of the mind, you are talking about a very old philosophical idea, in which everything in essence is from one being permeating through their own ways, in the same essential theory I could say none of you exist, only I exist and you are figments of my imagination, or that we are figments of a gods imagination in separate areas of his ind and as it is a god we would have our own thoughts unaware within his mind.
this theory can go on and on into many different areas, the simplest answer is a slap on the back of the head and a stern no, everything can be counted as a part of everything else in the essence of energy and so forth, but it is not a shared consciousness or anything else that could count us all as one and the same, it is nothing more than an extremely over simplified and not very well thought out idea...no offense meant.
if all gods are one god and all humans are one human then all humans would also be god as a section of the mind, you are talking about a very old philosophical idea, in which everything in essence is from one being permeating through their own ways, in the same essential theory I could say none of you exist, only I exist and you are figments of my imagination, or that we are figments of a gods imagination in separate areas of his ind and as it is a god we would have our own thoughts unaware within his mind.
this theory can go on and on into many different areas, the simplest answer is a slap on the back of the head and a stern no, everything can be counted as a part of everything else in the essence of energy and so forth, but it is not a shared consciousness or anything else that could count us all as one and the same, it is nothing more than an extremely over simplified and not very well thought out idea...no offense meant.
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Original post: AstralMagickCraft
But what about all the great magicians speaking of "the illusion of duality?" I personally always believed in the whole "we are one" & "we are connected" new age stuff.
But what about all the great magicians speaking of "the illusion of duality?" I personally always believed in the whole "we are one" & "we are connected" new age stuff.
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Original post: High Priest Enki
connected yes, all are one, nonsense, they do not understand the duality at all, they know of the existence in energy, and suspect its integration all around, but that is as much of a connection as their is, psychic stuff can be done easily without the need for actual connections, it is all energy, seriously you might as well be arguing that the earth is flat, there are no real theories above the impact of actions and thoughts, if u fire a gun into a crowd without aiming you are going to hit someone, it does not mean theres a freaking connection. (not meant as bashing you or anything, just typing as it comes to mind)
connected yes, all are one, nonsense, they do not understand the duality at all, they know of the existence in energy, and suspect its integration all around, but that is as much of a connection as their is, psychic stuff can be done easily without the need for actual connections, it is all energy, seriously you might as well be arguing that the earth is flat, there are no real theories above the impact of actions and thoughts, if u fire a gun into a crowd without aiming you are going to hit someone, it does not mean theres a freaking connection. (not meant as bashing you or anything, just typing as it comes to mind)
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Original post: Master 27
The reason I posted this is because I get sick of hearing "All Gods Are One God. All Goddesses Are One Goddess."
If you accept that belief, then it's only logical to say that all humans are one human. And on a fundamental level, we all know that's not true. While we might be connected, that does not mean that we are one. So why should the gods be?
As far as my personal beliefs: I'm not a devout believer in God/dess/gods...sometimes I do believe, sometimes I don't. Right now I'm in the "I know enough to know that I don't know at all" phase. I do know there is something in everything, I just don't know what it is.
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The reason I posted this is because I get sick of hearing "All Gods Are One God. All Goddesses Are One Goddess."
If you accept that belief, then it's only logical to say that all humans are one human. And on a fundamental level, we all know that's not true. While we might be connected, that does not mean that we are one. So why should the gods be?
As far as my personal beliefs: I'm not a devout believer in God/dess/gods...sometimes I do believe, sometimes I don't. Right now I'm in the "I know enough to know that I don't know at all" phase. I do know there is something in everything, I just don't know what it is.
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Original post: EtuMalku
I see it as God being the conscience of the Universe and all that is in it.
Gods (secondary Gods) are but principals of the Universe.
The word God(s) is a very confusing term.
For instance the Egyptian Goddess Ma'at is known as the principal of Order.
I see it as God being the conscience of the Universe and all that is in it.
Gods (secondary Gods) are but principals of the Universe.
The word God(s) is a very confusing term.
For instance the Egyptian Goddess Ma'at is known as the principal of Order.
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Original post: Scarlett_156
If thine eye offendeth thee, pluck it out.
If thine eye offendeth thee, pluck it out.
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Original post: banishinglies
The answer, like all things divine, is paradoxal.
All are one, and one is all, yet, all are divided and one is many.
Are all gods one god? Cornmuffin
Are all humans one human? Dingleberry
Are all humans one god? Toenail
The answer, like all things divine, is paradoxal.
All are one, and one is all, yet, all are divided and one is many.
Are all gods one god? Cornmuffin
Are all humans one human? Dingleberry
Are all humans one god? Toenail
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Original post: Anathema_Oracle
Humans are animals that reproduce sexually so they aren't all one, just interrelated.
To me, divinity is a concept so it can be one, separate and the same in multiplicity.
Humans are animals that reproduce sexually so they aren't all one, just interrelated.
To me, divinity is a concept so it can be one, separate and the same in multiplicity.
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Original post: astral_light21
Well, I was about to post about my view of coinciousness and energy and the whole duality-unity thing but, heres what I learned...what in the world can we say for certain?!
Well, I was about to post about my view of coinciousness and energy and the whole duality-unity thing but, heres what I learned...what in the world can we say for certain?!
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Original post: banishinglies
you can say JDFSDJFLSDFHkhgjsdhjasdhfsjKDHFjhdjkhajkhfahdfncJSHDjkhfkdfgjhjahdglkj
And that sums it up nicely.
you can say JDFSDJFLSDFHkhgjsdhjasdhfsjKDHFjhdjkhajkhfahdfncJSHDjkhfkdfgjhjahdglkj
And that sums it up nicely.
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Original post: doh
Master 27.
A simple answer to your question is no.
Not all god/desses are one. They are all, in my personal opinion, aspects of something much greater. God is a limited term. Hey, even omnipotence has it's limits. Some call it God. Some call it Great Spirit. Some call it Buddha. Some call it Me. Some call the Void.
My personal belief is that there is something out there. What I just don't know. But humans, in their multiple reincarnations have no fucking clue? Why? We are here again. I do believe that there is something there. Boy, I'll have egg on my face if it's just some alien fucking with us all, but there is something out there. A pulse. A vibe. A flow. Call it what you wish, but it's greater than me and has powers beyond comprehension to my piddily existance. Will I see it when I die? Maybe, or I may be worm food.
I can't give you an answer to this other than my perspective and belief, which I've done. Is it right? I would say not necessarily. I don't know shit.
Master 27.
A simple answer to your question is no.
Not all god/desses are one. They are all, in my personal opinion, aspects of something much greater. God is a limited term. Hey, even omnipotence has it's limits. Some call it God. Some call it Great Spirit. Some call it Buddha. Some call it Me. Some call the Void.
My personal belief is that there is something out there. What I just don't know. But humans, in their multiple reincarnations have no fucking clue? Why? We are here again. I do believe that there is something there. Boy, I'll have egg on my face if it's just some alien fucking with us all, but there is something out there. A pulse. A vibe. A flow. Call it what you wish, but it's greater than me and has powers beyond comprehension to my piddily existance. Will I see it when I die? Maybe, or I may be worm food.
I can't give you an answer to this other than my perspective and belief, which I've done. Is it right? I would say not necessarily. I don't know shit.
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Original post: Master 27
[QUOTE=doh;329181]
My personal belief is that there is something out there. What I just don't know. But humans, in their multiple reincarnations have no fucking clue? Why? We are here again. I do believe that there is something there. Boy, I'll have egg on my face if it's just some alien fucking with us all, but there is something out there. A pulse. A vibe. A flow. Call it what you wish, but it's greater than me and has powers beyond comprehension to my piddily existance. Will I see it when I die? Maybe, or I may be worm food.
I can't give you an answer to this other than my perspective and belief, which I've done. Is it right? I would say not necessarily. I don't know shit.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the reply.
That pretty much sums up my own thoughts on the matter. I agree with you 100%...we don't know shit!
It's interesting to me how some people can so sure of their faith, and believe something is totally true, without really knowing that it's true. I try to believe something, but then I always think..."well, I don't really know if this thing I believe in actually exists or not...so what's the point?"
Now I'm starting to think that it might be healthier to develop beliefs that can help me in my day-to-day life. I don't think it's healthy to believe in a god that punishes you for every little thing (at least for me), so why not develop an idea of a very helpful god who wants to see me succeed? Both of those ideas might be wrong, but which one helps me live a better life in the long run?
But that's a completely different topic, and I don't wanna hijack my own thread!
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[QUOTE=doh;329181]
My personal belief is that there is something out there. What I just don't know. But humans, in their multiple reincarnations have no fucking clue? Why? We are here again. I do believe that there is something there. Boy, I'll have egg on my face if it's just some alien fucking with us all, but there is something out there. A pulse. A vibe. A flow. Call it what you wish, but it's greater than me and has powers beyond comprehension to my piddily existance. Will I see it when I die? Maybe, or I may be worm food.
I can't give you an answer to this other than my perspective and belief, which I've done. Is it right? I would say not necessarily. I don't know shit.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the reply.
That pretty much sums up my own thoughts on the matter. I agree with you 100%...we don't know shit!
It's interesting to me how some people can so sure of their faith, and believe something is totally true, without really knowing that it's true. I try to believe something, but then I always think..."well, I don't really know if this thing I believe in actually exists or not...so what's the point?"
Now I'm starting to think that it might be healthier to develop beliefs that can help me in my day-to-day life. I don't think it's healthy to believe in a god that punishes you for every little thing (at least for me), so why not develop an idea of a very helpful god who wants to see me succeed? Both of those ideas might be wrong, but which one helps me live a better life in the long run?
But that's a completely different topic, and I don't wanna hijack my own thread!
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Original post: Sapiens Vir
I'm not so sure it's healthy to have beliefs. Better to have theories and ideas than beliefs. My theory on this topic is that there is no god. God is an artifact of our pattern finding brains and nothing more. All those complex field interactions and probability vectors just are too big for the average person to deal with so we condense the patterns we can find into a neat little box and call it God and put it up on a shelf for when we get into trouble and want someone to bail us out. " Help me God I done fucked up again." Then coincidence kicks in and we dance and are happy because "God" bailed us out.
I'm not so sure it's healthy to have beliefs. Better to have theories and ideas than beliefs. My theory on this topic is that there is no god. God is an artifact of our pattern finding brains and nothing more. All those complex field interactions and probability vectors just are too big for the average person to deal with so we condense the patterns we can find into a neat little box and call it God and put it up on a shelf for when we get into trouble and want someone to bail us out. " Help me God I done fucked up again." Then coincidence kicks in and we dance and are happy because "God" bailed us out.
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Original post: EtuMalku
banishinglies: please don't flood the thread with nonsense, sarcasm duly noted.
banishinglies: please don't flood the thread with nonsense, sarcasm duly noted.
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Original post: banishinglies
I wasn't "flooding the thread with nonsense", I'm sorry you took it that way. Rather-I was using some slight humour to get across that Divinity is beyond words.
I wasn't "flooding the thread with nonsense", I'm sorry you took it that way. Rather-I was using some slight humour to get across that Divinity is beyond words.
The answer, like all things divine, is paradoxal.
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Original post: Tevnon
The statement seems to rest on the assumption that whatever is true of God(s) is also true of man. That's a rather strange assumption to make.
Could all gods be one God yet all man not be one man? I don't see why not. All drops of soda in a bottle are one soda while all jelly beans in a bottle of jelly beans are still individual separate jelly beans, are they not? One is a fluid with no boundaries separating one "individual" from one another while the other is made of solids with boundaries clearly separating one from another, yet they both exist.
As for the fluffy stuff about connectedness and oneness of all things that's just an illusion. Brain scans of people meditating show deep meditation results in greatly reduced brain activity in the region of the brain associated with the boundaries of where self begins and where self ends. The result is a feeling of being one with everything else. It may all feel quite spiritual, but it is, in fact, an artifact created by how the brain responds to deep meditation; not that it doesn't feel really groovy.
The statement seems to rest on the assumption that whatever is true of God(s) is also true of man. That's a rather strange assumption to make.
Could all gods be one God yet all man not be one man? I don't see why not. All drops of soda in a bottle are one soda while all jelly beans in a bottle of jelly beans are still individual separate jelly beans, are they not? One is a fluid with no boundaries separating one "individual" from one another while the other is made of solids with boundaries clearly separating one from another, yet they both exist.
As for the fluffy stuff about connectedness and oneness of all things that's just an illusion. Brain scans of people meditating show deep meditation results in greatly reduced brain activity in the region of the brain associated with the boundaries of where self begins and where self ends. The result is a feeling of being one with everything else. It may all feel quite spiritual, but it is, in fact, an artifact created by how the brain responds to deep meditation; not that it doesn't feel really groovy.
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Original post: Anathema_Oracle
Probably not.
Doesn't that beg the question of whether the mind makes arbitrary distinctions when no such thing actually exists?
but it is, in fact, an artifact created by how the brain responds to deep meditation; not that it doesn't feel really groovy.
Probably not.
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Original post: Meadhbh
Well sense I believe that there are separate gods than that shoudl apply to people as well. But for the sake of agrument lets say that they are all one god, then I still don't feel that it would have a bearing on humanity. One god or many we are still different people and don't have a hive mind.
Well sense I believe that there are separate gods than that shoudl apply to people as well. But for the sake of agrument lets say that they are all one god, then I still don't feel that it would have a bearing on humanity. One god or many we are still different people and don't have a hive mind.
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Original post: nechesh
I guess it could get really scary if everyone got IT.....but TAG!...you're IT!!!
I guess it could get really scary if everyone got IT.....but TAG!...you're IT!!!
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Original post: Xeper
I believe that all Human beings and indeed all non human entities are products of one supreme force, God, the ALL. We are all bound by the laws of nature and thus it is my belief that we are connected to eachother and to an ultimate supreme force.
I believe that all Human beings and indeed all non human entities are products of one supreme force, God, the ALL. We are all bound by the laws of nature and thus it is my belief that we are connected to eachother and to an ultimate supreme force.
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Original post: Hairetikos
Existence is unity, separateness is an illusion. The One True Force separated itself for Love's sake, for the chance of union. All manifest things will naturally evolve towards an awareness of this unity. The Great Work is essentially the method for expediting this evolution. Those who do not choose the Great Work are still on the same road that it leads to, but unconsciously so. Whereas this evolution naturally takes centuries, occultism gives those who are prepared a chance to achieve it faster.
All things are aspects of the One Thing. Nothing exists of itself. Things only have a nature in relation to the other things they interact with.
Existence is unity, separateness is an illusion. The One True Force separated itself for Love's sake, for the chance of union. All manifest things will naturally evolve towards an awareness of this unity. The Great Work is essentially the method for expediting this evolution. Those who do not choose the Great Work are still on the same road that it leads to, but unconsciously so. Whereas this evolution naturally takes centuries, occultism gives those who are prepared a chance to achieve it faster.
All things are aspects of the One Thing. Nothing exists of itself. Things only have a nature in relation to the other things they interact with.