Music and magic

Keldrean · Post by **Keldrean** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:34 pm

Does anyone know anything about energy from music.

I play the Bass guitar and was thinking about perhaps delevoping a way to heal with sound, having the vibrations I play form with intent, If this could work. Maybe other things can be done with the same concept, energy manipulation.
Would love any Ideas on how you think this would work
I have gotten a brief description telling of what key to play in for what chakra, but only that. So I know there's something

Keld Ra

Nahemah · Post by **Nahemah** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:25 pm

Music is magick in itself,in my opinion.I am not musically talented,but I have a strong voice with a good range.I sing Galdr -Runic chants.It is a powerful way to work,for me.I beat the vett,that is tap our an acompanying rhythm with my staff,it has bells on it.I make a lovely noise.Lol.

I got a set of tuning forks [I didn't know about the chakra thing related to them,but there was a chart that came with my forks,explaining it,it makes sense to me,somehow ] and a metronome for my birthday,so now I can sound the notes out and recognise them,put a back beat on too with the metronome, this is helping me communicate with musical friends,who play for me what I can't play myself.I am enjoying the energy surges I get this way.Lol again.But seriously.

I am still experimenting but will be happy to share my conclusions/ideas with you,I am tired now,so not capable of communicating well.So more from me later on that.

Harmonic vibration - the Music of the Spheres.

The connection between Music and Magick goes so far back into our past.Look at Hymns and Religous chanting,for instance.

We taught my grandson to sing and then to dance,from a very young age - he has Cerebral Palsy,but he has astounded doctors with his progress.We sing and dance with him all the time.Now he is running [yey!] and has almost no drag on his leg at all.Music has helped him so much,there is no doubt in my mind on that.It can heal.Heal the body and the mind and the soul.

I have an article somewhere about the sounds and vibrations of the Auroras,it has info on Harmonics you might find interesting,I'll dig it out later.It's all connected,I am sure,we all vibrate at sub-atomic levels after all,don't we?

Vinncent · Post by **Vinncent** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:57 am

Nahemah pretty much covered everything I was going to say. However, besides the chakras, apparently the different elements are more receptive to different keys. I can't tell you the associations, unfortunately... I lost them a long time ago.

There is also an old saying. I forget how it goes exactly but it's basically, "To whisper a prayer is 5x more effective than to keep it inside. To sing a prayer is 5x more effective than to just whisper it."

So the power of music should not be overlooked as it relates to the occult.

Nahemah · Post by **Nahemah** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:30 pm

http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/sppb/edu/lionroar/

http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/sppb/ed ... llets.html

This page is waaaay cool.Lol.The Music of the Spheres,with accompanying Science to explain it.

More later.

Later:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007 ... themis.htm

magnetic ropes = cosmic guitar strings?

Keldrean · Post by **Keldrean** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:18 pm

Fantistic site. Thank you much!

Ankhhape · Post by **Ankhhape** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:56 pm

At the heart of all the lost traditions was the teaching of the power of the WORD.
Every society, tradition and religion used the secret arts of sound, music and words to teach, heal and enlighten.

The ancient God names are specific signals that can be used to call upon aspects of the one divine force throughout the Universe. They represent manifestations of the divine within our Universe.

The oldest of these traditions is the Kemetic religion of ancient Egypt.It has always taught that to know someone's name is to have power over them.

A well known story is one about Aset (Isis) who learns the true name of Amon / Ra and thus has power over Him and uses Heka to retrieve her husband Wesir (Osiris) from the Underworld. (allegory for Spiritual Rebirth)

It is also known that the Universe and everything in it was begun with 'The Divine Utterance' 'The Word' which I see as the Primordial Vibration from which everything was put into motion by.

In Hindu cosmology, the name of a thing is actually a vital key to understanding its inner nature.

To quote from Sufi Hazrat Inyat Khan:
"There is a great secret hidden in name . . . All mystery is hidden in name . . . the meaning of name plays an important part in man's life, and the sound, the vowels, the rhythm, number of the letters which compose it, the mystical numbers, symbol and planet, as well as the root from which it is derived, all disclose their secret."

Acoustic sigilism may be rather new it seems, but if you look at the ancient civilizations especially the Indus Valley & Kemet you can see the power of 'The Word' 'The Divine Utterance' & indications of the use of vibration & frequency to empower.

Music's ability to connect us with the Divine is unmistakable, the Sufi's insist that music is the only true Art we have, I agree.
Theosophy has discussed the Devachan world that imprints divine music upon our astral body when we sleep.

Balinese Gamelan music is tied in with the dark occult of Ilmu Khodam, African drummers have always killed the animals that they made their ritual drums from for obvious reasons, the Whirling Dervish can actually be seen as living sigils of both audio & visual.

Musiq is organized sound - sound is vibration - vibration is a divine connection.

You should investigate the Sacred Solfeggios (528Hz is known to repair damaged DNA) also a study in the Indian Shrutis and Pythagorean theories.

I would be glad to answer any questions you might have regarding these topics

Azzerac · Post by **Azzerac** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:34 pm

Keldrean wrote:Does anyone know anything about energy from music.

I play the Bass guitar and was thinking about perhaps delevoping a way to heal with sound, having the vibrations I play form with intent, If this could work. Maybe other things can be done with the same concept, energy manipulation.
Would love any Ideas on how you think this would work
I have gotten a brief description telling of what key to play in for what chakra, but only that. So I know there's something

Keld Ra

Music is meaningless to the deaf.

The core elements are these: Emanation & Reception Triggers.
The sounds are used to either trigger an energy release from the person making the sound, or trigger an effect corresponding to the desired/associated effect within the listener.

As with all aspects, the sound means what you think it means, and triggers thusly, or harmonizes with the target (be it flesh of not) in keeping with it's own design.
There are certain aspects of vibration that won't be reached through simple sound, but most physical aspects of metaphysics can be reached through applied resonance.

The issue is finding the spects that both "mean something" to the "Sender" and the "Reciever".

Ankhhape · Post by **Ankhhape** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:39 pm

Greetings Azzerac,

Thanks for the greetings on the other post
I agree with the applied resonance and don't forget there is also forced resonance too. We can harmonize our chakra for example but we can also force it to change frequency if the need be.

Keldrean · Post by **Keldrean** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:06 pm

Ankhhape, I thank your thurough description.
on The word, as well as your examples. The word itself is something of a topic on its own I cant wait to explore. And the Sacred Solfeggios is much what I was looking for. Something i need to try and understand.
African drumming interests me; not because its dark, but, well here, you can see why:
One day In meditation I heard music, drumming, and singing. The sound was distant and far away. I focused on the sound untill it surrounded me untill I was in the sound. I opened my eyes(had to be my 3rd eye) and vieved a ceremony, a dance, and I observed the rite through the fire. One of the men looked at me.
music as an organized sound, sound as a vibration, a vibration as a divine connection. fantastic Keld Ra

and to Azzerac, music may not be so meaningless to the deaf. I play bass and the vibrations are overwhelming. So much, you feel it as you hear it. If you couldnt hear it you still would feel it. The static rushing, poping, the thick vibrations of sound covering the body.

The core elements are these: Emanation & Reception Triggers.
The sounds are used to either trigger an energy release from the person making the sound, or trigger an effect corresponding to the desired/associated effect within the listener.

As with all aspects, the sound means what you think it means, and triggers thusly, or harmonizes with the target (be it flesh of not) in keeping with it's own design.
There are certain aspects of vibration that won't be reached through simple sound, but most physical aspects of metaphysics can be reached through applied resonance.

The issue is finding the spects that both "mean something" to the "Sender" and the "Reciever".

I have to keep this in mind. And thank you for pointing out the fact of The connection from sender and receiver, and what to focus on. all is relevent, all is connected.

I have to think on this. Merci, Keld Ra

Azzerac · Post by **Azzerac** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:41 am

Keldrean wrote:Ankhhape, I thank your thurough description.
on The word, as well as your examples. The word itself is something of a topic on its own I cant wait to explore. And the Sacred Solfeggios is much what I was looking for. Something i need to try and understand.
African drumming interests me; not because its dark, but, well here, you can see why:
One day In meditation I heard music, drumming, and singing. The sound was distant and far away. I focused on the sound untill it surrounded me untill I was in the sound. I opened my eyes(had to be my 3rd eye) and vieved a ceremony, a dance, and I observed the rite through the fire. One of the men looked at me.
music as an organized sound, sound as a vibration, a vibration as a divine connection. fantastic Keld Ra

and to Azzerac, music may not be so meaningless to the deaf. I play bass and the vibrations are overwhelming. So much, you feel it as you hear it. If you couldnt hear it you still would feel it. The static rushing, poping, the thick vibrations of sound covering the body.
The core elements are these: Emanation & Reception Triggers.
The sounds are used to either trigger an energy release from the person making the sound, or trigger an effect corresponding to the desired/associated effect within the listener.

As with all aspects, the sound means what you think it means, and triggers thusly, or harmonizes with the target (be it flesh of not) in keeping with it's own design.
There are certain aspects of vibration that won't be reached through simple sound, but most physical aspects of metaphysics can be reached through applied resonance.

The issue is finding the spects that both "mean something" to the "Sender" and the "Reciever".
I have to keep this in mind. And thank you for pointing out the fact of The connection from sender and receiver, and what to focus on. all is relevent, all is connected.

I have to think on this. Merci, Keld Ra

Again, feeling through the skin IS a form of hearing.
What most people fail to realize is that Hearing is a Tactile sense, coupled to a different & specialized area of the brain.
The redundant aspects of the brain are capable of redirecting sensory capability,
in the same way that playing your first 1st-person shooter, when the keys "A-D-S-W" seamlessly morphed into "intuitive direction control over the character".

It's like that. I thought you knew.

...but in the case of "Beat", like bass, it's still a heart-beat effect, leading to ...
sorry: I was going to go into visceral mother/child in utero experience.
Basic stuff.
I'll pass.

Keldrean · Post by **Keldrean** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:11 am

Thank you my good man, this is exactly what I needed. I just need to study now.

Keld

Shaam · Post by **Shaam** » Mon May 25, 2009 5:46 pm

AC...pretty much hit the nail on the head.

altpath · Post by **altpath** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:55 pm

Why not engrave or burn a wood instrument with a daemon/angel/deity seal to help out with music? There's at least a couple daemons and deities I can think of that can help out with that. If I had a nicely made guitar, that's worthy of burning a seal into, I would do it myself. Next best thing is to paint it and then clear coat it.

Ankhhape · Post by **Ankhhape** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:15 pm

That's a cool idea, I have several Sigils painted & charged on my guitars.

altpath · Post by **altpath** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:34 pm

Cool, and what have your experiences been like? Have you noticed your guitars sound better, or that you've gotten better? I know musician's of course become better with practice, but when there's magic involved you tend to notice it.

Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to do that with a worthy guitar yet, but I will soon

Ankhhape · Post by **Ankhhape** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:53 am

You know honestly, I'm not sure if it's psychological or what but I get a certain vibe from those guitars, but who knows.

Grymdycche · Post by **Grymdycche** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:18 pm

Azzerac wrote: Music is meaningless to the deaf.
...
Again, feeling through the skin IS a form of hearing.

(You've confused me here, Azzerac. The deaf do "hear" music through the vibrations, as you pointed out in your second post. Soo... I'm not sure which you're saying here )

Anyway, my two cents on this: to me, music is indeed absolutely magical. I know of no other art form,(for me personally, anyway) that can evoke such feelings and emotions, and various states of mind. It can take you places. I can listen to a good piece of music thousands of times repeatedly, enjoying the sonic landscape as if it were fresh and new each time. Sculpture, painting, even performance art cannot and does not affect me the same. I may be a bit biased too, as I'm a long time musician myself and play several different instruments.

I am often partial to instrumental music, as I believe it functions something like a blank template, onto which you can cast something of yourself; conversely, much vocal music, which colors and influences the music with something of the personality and voice of the singer/vocalizer seems to interfere or block me from a free perspective of my own. That said, there's something of a personal mark in instrumentation too of course (style), but not as pronounced.

Frequencies are complex. Even a single "A" tone is generally comprised of minor overtones and harmonic multiples, in addition to the fundamental, and in the case of a harmonically distorted guitar (square wave) or a violin (sawtooth wave), even more so. I guess one question is, which is "better" for healing: a pure tone (like a sine wave) or a rich harmonically laden tone? Might depend on exactly what you're attempting to accomplish. Same applies to the frequency range, I imagine, though you will certainly feel lower frequencies more strongly than higher ones, with what exactly are you trying to resonate? I'm aware of no known chakra/frequency relationship.
In fact, I have to admit I am no fan of chakras. I often direct people to this page, which I believe to be of factual and historical significance:
http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/ ... chakra.htm
Even if you disagree with the page, it's a worthy viewpoint, IMO.

Post by **Venefica** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:14 am

If it is completely dark Azz and one can not see a table, do that mean that it is not there? The vibrations and Energies created by music is as real to someone who is deaf as someone who hears. And besides even if someone do not get anything out of hearing vibrations, they still will be affected by how pepole around them are affected by music. So I disagree that music is meaningless to the deaf.