Is it possible Bring Back physical THings from the Astral Relam?

Deicide · Post by **Deicide** » Mon May 18, 2009 5:06 am

Do you think is it possible?

Vinncent · Post by **Vinncent** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:43 am

My understanding of the astral realm is that it is a reflection of the thoughts and energy of the physical realm. If you were to take (to be read, remove) something from the astral, then it would stand to reason that it would would not be reflected in the physical. This means, whatever you took back would case to exist.

Now, as to whether it's possible to bring back information, knowledge, energy, etc, there are many experiences that speak to the possibility of such. However, complete removal of a substance from the astral is different than simply manipulating the astral realm in subtle ways.

darkwolf · Post by **darkwolf** » Mon May 18, 2009 8:41 am

Hate to contradict, Vinncent, but I do agree that it's *extremely* difficult. Perhaps a little context would be more helpful in this case, as Deicide (welcome back, btw) wouldn't be asking without a good reason.

jeviscachee · Post by **jeviscachee** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:56 pm

I agree with darkwolf, difficult doesn't necessarily mean impossible, as we all undoubtedly know! But more info please! What kind of 'something'?

Deicide · Post by **Deicide** » Mon May 25, 2009 3:31 am

That's the point. Any object you want.

darkwolf · Post by **darkwolf** » Mon May 25, 2009 10:33 am

The reason it's so difficult, Deicide, is because the principles required are very similar to teleportation. And the only person I knew who managed to learn how to port can currently manage 5 foot, and she faints immediately after doing it for around 4 hours. It takes a *lot* of energy, and if you try something too big, or something too far away, you can kill yourself from energy loss or the "burn" of passing too much energy through you.

Nesjamag · Post by **Nesjamag** » Mon May 25, 2009 11:00 am

I am not certain what you consider the astral realm (different people seem to have a different idea of it), but I know it is possible to materialse objects from dreams and your imagination.
It requires a lot of energy and it also requires you to remove some mental blocks that tell you its impossible.
Things won't come back with you from dreams automatically, because it requries a lot of energy to take something from a dream with you to the wake world.

Deicide · Post by **Deicide** » Tue May 26, 2009 3:06 am

But I guess that you can get energy of some place.

darkwolf · Post by **darkwolf** » Tue May 26, 2009 9:56 am

Some. But often not enough. On top of that problem, channeling too much energy through or around you actually physically harms you. So it's damn tough. Also, as Nes says, you have certain mental blocks from a lifetime of conditioning telling you it's not possible. And those take time to break down. That, or stress.

Nesjamag · Post by **Nesjamag** » Tue May 26, 2009 10:57 am

I think the mental blocks are the most difficult part to overcome in materialising objects.
Energy you can get from pretty much everywhere you want, you just need to be able to use it and as conscious beings we can do this.
Its true that using that much energy is physically damaging, but there are ways around that, you can set up energy connections within your body to move the eenrgy along so it doesn't interfere with your body itself. That would remove the danger of physical harm and would actually make it easier to get the energy to where it should as well.

The mental blocks might take you weeks of hard work or years to get rid of. Social conditionning leaves its marks and blocks and it requires mental work to disolve them and open our minds.

darkwolf · Post by **darkwolf** » Wed May 27, 2009 12:22 pm

True, but someone can help get rid of your mental blocks. It's more painful that way, and very dangerous, but damn, when it works, it works!

As to the energy connections, there is a level at which even methods like the partitioning you describe aren't enough. This threshold is, unfortunately, just a wee bit lower than the energy required. As in, blisters lower.

Deicide · Post by **Deicide** » Sat May 30, 2009 8:57 pm

So.. Is it all about beliefs and faith?

darkwolf · Post by **darkwolf** » Sun May 31, 2009 3:42 pm

No, it's all about energy, will, and visualisation, same as all other magic.

Deicide · Post by **Deicide** » Sun May 31, 2009 8:52 pm

Some people have success in the first try.

jeviscachee · Post by **jeviscachee** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:00 pm

True, but some people have an incredible amount of natural will; others have to work harder on it.

darkwolf · Post by **darkwolf** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:31 pm

Precisely. Nonetheless, I think we all agree that it is entirely possible, although not as useful as many would suppose.

Deicide · Post by **Deicide** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:06 pm

I read that to bring a physical object back with you. You have to manipulate the frequencies of the object. I guess that is with concentration and will

Vashta · Post by **Vashta** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:31 am

This thread reminds me of a few things..

The nightmare on elm street movie where they brought Freddie out of the dream world..

A dream I had once, in which I was being attacked by a giant bat. When I woke up, for a few seconds I could still feel the wings flapping in front of me, scared me silly lol..

And last but not least, Tulpa. Thought-forms given solid form. I've read stories about them before, but never seen it done first-hand. Not directly related, I suppose, but I would imagine that if you were capable of creating a Tulpa, then bringing an object back from the astral would be a stonesthrow away, although I'm not entirely sure if that would be the astral object itself, or a recreation of it..

Very interesting topic, nonetheless ^_^

Nesjamag · Post by **Nesjamag** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:24 pm

I know someone who has made some objects from another person their dream. They were exactly like in the dream, down to inscriptions the person didn't even mention. So I'd say its the object itself or alteast a material form of it. Not just some random materialisation to look like it.

darkwolf · Post by **darkwolf** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:58 am

Deicide wrote:I read that to bring a physical object back with you. You have to manipulate the frequencies of the object. I guess that is with concentration and will

*grins* Concentration=will, will=will, you have to see the frequencies=visualisation, you need energy to change something's frequency=energy. But the basic theory is indeed sound. You merely have to know which frequencies to manipulate. Don't ask me, I can't put it into words. But as I said, these things aren't as useful as first appears. They're not as strong as objects purely in the real world, and if they're an astral mirror of something, you have a weak object you took, and you weakened the object you took the mirror of. Hence, not as useful as first appears.+

Deicide · Post by **Deicide** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:41 pm

Thnks for your answers.

So results depends of your will and energy.

You have to visualize yourself manipulating frequenciesof the object..Slow the frequency, for example.

darkwolf · Post by **darkwolf** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:39 am

that sounds about the right way to visualise it. PS - This is effectively teleportation. You master that tonight (unlikely as that is), then come visit me in Pembrokeshire, maybe gimme a lift to this damn training day tomorrow. *grins* I'll PM you my number anyways, just in case you need a bit of help.

Post by **Venefica** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:11 pm

I believe that if you create something in the Astral then it will become real in the physical, that that is part of how magick works. I create for myself a thinner more healthy body on the Astral and eventually it becomes real. I do however think it is possible to pull physical objects from Spiritual dimensions, including the Astral, for example in some hauntings people have found physical objects left by the Entities. But I do not think this is a simple task nor an easy thing to learn, but can it be done? Yes I think it can be done.

Deicide · Post by **Deicide** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:55 am

Thank you, darkwolf, I just to sent you a reply for your mp.

And well this is not about create something in Ap and then manifest it in physical plane, but bring a physical object, manipulate it frequencies and take it back.

A friend of mine told me that he once tried to bring money and a dagger in one of his projections. He couldn't doit because in the moment of take it he woke up but he told me that he could felt those objects with him.

Post by **Venefica** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:43 pm

Like I said. I think it is possible, and making something on the Astral and having it manifest over time is just a less extreme version of the same thing. The Astral and the physical is connected to one another, however bringing something straight out of the Astral, that is on the same level as instantly healing a broken bone, banish cancer, make an energy ball that can smash through a glass window, levitate, walking on water and all that stuff. All direct magick is difficult, and you do not get much more direct than making a Spiritual object physical. People would have to study their whole life to perhaps be able to do something like that.