Has anyone tried using magick to make themselves infertile and sterile

[sekhem_nefer]

I hate kids, and don't want any as a woman. I have never seen spells for people who want to prevent themselves from having children. You only see them for people trying to conceive, or have a healthy baby.

I know there is birth control out there, but still it would be nice to know if people have tried this. Just as you can say "hey, why do a spell on making a baby...go see your doctor if you have problems and take some fertility drugs."

You think people in ancient times used magick as a form of birth control method? Have you tried doing this?

[Oghibani]

I honestly doubt that people have used magick as birth control often. A few may have. It seems to me that most people want to have children, even more so back then than now.

I, personally, haven't tried it yet. I'm a virgin and will probably remain so for the rest of my life (since I feel no desire to have sex) - but I would love to figure out some way of making myself infertile through magick... just for good measure.
It is, or so I believe, possible to do so. If needed, you could create an infertility ritual yourself.

[Venefica]

I have been using the deer exercise from Taoism which among other things is supposed to stop menstruation, making sure the body do not waste Energy on the menstruation cycle when not needed, that will not make one sterile, but it will make it harder to conceive. I have had some success with the ritual, but birth control is not the goal of said ritual, though it might be a side effect.

[sekhem_nefer]

I honestly doubt that people have used magick as birth control often. A few may have. It seems to me that most people want to have children, even more so back then than now.

I, personally, haven't tried it yet. I'm a virgin and will probably remain so for the rest of my life (since I feel no desire to have sex) - but I would love to figure out some way of making myself infertile through magick... just for good measure.
It is, or so I believe, possible to do so. If needed, you could create an infertility ritual yourself.

Nah, birth control methods were very important in ancient times. The Ancient Egyptians used goat intestines for condoms and used bull horns for dildos. Roman women used some wild herb that was successful in making women not conceive. It was so popular that the herb became extinct due to no one finding out how to harvest this wild herb. When it existed it was the only time recorded in Roman history of women happily having promiscous sex all over the place due to low conception rates from this herb. And they would stuff it in their vaginas.

And the pull-out method was used a lot and mentioned quite often in the Old Testament for the Jews.

[sekhem_nefer]

I have been using the deer exercise from Taoism which among other things is supposed to stop menstruation, making sure the body do not waste Energy on the menstruation cycle when not needed, that will not make one sterile, but it will make it harder to conceive. I have had some success with the ritual, but birth control is not the goal of said ritual, though it might be a side effect.

Do you feel any physiological changes in your body when you do this? This isn't like Kegels, but with meditation is it?

[Venefica]

I feel warmth and what shall we say, sexual desire.

Here are two links about the deer exercise.

http://tantraecstasy.blogspot.com/2008/ ... rcise.html
http://www.prostate-massage-and-health. ... rcise.html

There are two of them one for women and one for men.

[DrMummy]

Yeah, magick might not be all that reliable of a birth control method.

Not saying it can't work, but....

As a man from a hyperfertile family, I will not be taking my chances.

Science has pretty much got this one cut-and-dry.

[Venefica]

I would not trust magick for birth control. I am not saying magick can not work as birth control, but having an unwanted child fuck things up for both me and the child I would not want to take any chances of ending up in that situation, not when conventional medicine have many very effective birth control methods with proved and tried results available. That do not mean however I would not supplement them with magick, bettering my chance of stopping pregnancy if the conventional means should fail, as they sometimes do.

[DrMummy]

Yes, supplemental.

That, I can get behind.

But anyone relying completely on magick is just asking for trouble.

[Venefica]

It depends, like I say I think it can be done, however science have so many tried and tested methods, so unless you are 100 percent sure your magick will work, I would rather trust what have been tested and found to hold water when it comes to birth control.

[Nahemah]

Good old fashioned kitchen witchery has the answer.Certain plants in the right combination can be effective.Some fall into the class of abortificient medicines,so it's a matter of personal ethics how you may view this.[The coil is an orthodox contraceptive that works like this too.The morning after pill is another of the same format.]

I cannot use most chemical contraceptives,I am contra indicated through health issues.I would not use hormone based contraception anyway,if the option was available to me,as I have concerns about the long term effects of female hormones on the body.Cancer rates in the West worry me,there is enough of a causal connection there to make me suspicious about Breast and Ovarian cancer and Hormone contraception.

I have used herbal medicine to avoid conception successfully for years.However, the prospect of pregnancy does not phase me at all,so perhaps me lack of anxiety about it all is a factor,along with the treatment?[Worth a thought or two]

I do not use anything over an extended period of time,I find that the body tends to get tolerant if you do that and all medicines carry extra risk,if used this way.The perception that 'because it's natural it can only be good' can be dangerous,lol, but seriously.

You could investigate Cyclic methods of control also,abstinence at times of fertility etc. would help,but it's not foolproof.

I never wanted children but had them anyway,as it happened, so I rolled with it and accepted it as I went.Turns out I rather like them after all,lol.Whatever contraception you use,there is always a slight risk of failure,so it makes sense to factor the possibility in somewhere and account for how you would react.I hold all life as sacred so abortion was never a consideration for me.Abstinence really is the only sure fire way to avoid pregnancy,though.

[sekhem_nefer]

Good old fashioned kitchen witchery has the answer.Certain plants in the right combination can be effective.Some fall into the class of abortificient medicines,so it's a matter of personal ethics how you may view this.[The coil is an orthodox contraceptive that works like this too.The morning after pill is another of the same format.]

I cannot use most chemical contraceptives,I am contra indicated through health issues.I would not use hormone based contraception anyway,if the option was available to me,as I have concerns about the long term effects of female hormones on the body.Cancer rates in the West worry me,there is enough of a causal connection there to make me suspicious about Breast and Ovarian cancer and Hormone contraception.

I have used herbal medicine to avoid conception successfully for years.However, the prospect of pregnancy does not phase me at all,so perhaps me lack of anxiety about it all is a factor,along with the treatment?[Worth a thought or two]

I do not use anything over an extended period of time,I find that the body tends to get tolerant if you do that and all medicines carry extra risk,if used this way.The perception that 'because it's natural it can only be good' can be dangerous,lol, but seriously.

You could investigate Cyclic methods of control also,abstinence at times of fertility etc. would help,but it's not foolproof.

I never wanted children but had them anyway,as it happened, so I rolled with it and accepted it as I went.Turns out I rather like them after all,lol.Whatever contraception you use,there is always a slight risk of failure,so it makes sense to factor the possibility in somewhere and account for how you would react.I hold all life as sacred so abortion was never a consideration for me.Abstinence really is the only sure fire way to avoid pregnancy,though.

I so agree. Birth control pills, whether people want to discuss or not...I know the Feminist Party does not, is quite dangerous on the female body. Generation X (age 30 to 45) and definately Generation Y ( age 30 and under), will be the first generation to use The Pill long-term for years or decades on end without taking a rest from it. There are some small studies that say that stopping your menustration cycle for long periods of times can cause cancer. I mean, how is stopping your menustration cycle can be normal for the female body? It just isn't ! You can't stop it without there being a price for it.

And the FDA will approve any damn thing. I had a relative that used to work for American Health Association (AHA). The FDA approves many dangerous things all the time, because they really are not concerned with doing tests on how things affects the body in long-term like 30 to 50 to 100 years from now. Most of their studies are short-term, so they can help corporations make a profit in selling their crap to us.

I am in my mid-30s and have never been on The Pill. Don't trust it as a long-term solution as a contraceptive.

[Venefica]

I would not use the pill long term, in fact I have never used it. He will have to use a condom.

[Uriel666]

The old-timers that I have talked to say that,for example, if they thought their daughter had been promiscuous, then they would give them tea made from pokeberry root.I think it is called other things in other places(pokeweed,chokecherry, etc.) but it appears that this was "the morning after pill" from the old days.

[Nahemah]

I didn't post any recipes/herbal info here Uriel, as I 'm not too keen to give out this kind of info on a public forum.I will pass on info privately on occasion,if asked about it.I've learned from my time on the internet that some folk will happily mess around with these things without full awareness of danger/consequence.Some herbs that can be used as contraceptives have nasty side effects and potential for toxicity if not adhered to with the proper respect,research and following of advice.

Many herbs are unsuitable for pregnancy and there are traditionally known methods and recpies for producing miscarriage as well as contraception,these are rather dangerous,if there is interaction with other meds used or certain lifestyle choices/health matters.It's a specialised field.

If anyone intends to go the herbal route,research is required,a lot of it.Also what works for me,may not be suitable for another person.

[Venefica]

The old-timers that I have talked to say that,for example, if they thought their daughter had been promiscuous, then they would give them tea made from pokeberry root.I think it is called other things in other places(pokeweed,chokecherry, etc.) but it appears that this was "the morning after pill" from the old days.

This is a little different from Spiritual spells, after all herbs are chemicals, they are just not so controlled as man made drugs. I am quite sure herbs work for allot of things, spells to but herbs is proven by science. I would however not give a morning after pill, herbal or otherwise to someone without their knowledge. I would personally use such medicine, but I would not force it on others.

[Gandridur]

A ritual seems to be very unnecessary. Its better to prevent than trying to do something when its allready too late. We have some girls and women here in Sweden who have used and seen abortion as a contraceptive. Very stupid attitude. Everyone who has gone through a abortion know it's not a easy thing to do. And doing a ritual, well we all know, or should know, that magic can backfire. One just have to look at things done in desperation in the mundane world that the results all to often end in disaster.

Yes for som magic has worked very well when they have been in a desperate situation. But this is a bigger risk when your body is involved. The ritual might not work and or becomes pregnant anyway and end up with a stillborn baby. Or she become sterile. Maybe what she want but maybe she in the future regret it but then it's too late. Sames who are being tought to learn stop bleeding magic make sure there are no woman having her period is near. Because the students energies might backfire and make a woman in her period sterile.

But sure some women never ever want to have babies. And if that's the case it's better to go to a clinic to make sure she's sterile. Why being stupid to take any chances only to prove that the magic ritual hopefully will work? Is it work the risks? I dont think so, I dont think so.

[Venefica]

Well for some pepole abortion is a easy thing to do, so some do use it as a contraceptive. And that is a rather hopeless attitude. While I am not getting into the whole abortion debate, there are certainly better to prevent pregnancy than to end it once it has started.

Sames who are being tought to learn stop bleeding magic make sure there are no woman having her period is near. Because the students energies might backfire and make a woman in her period sterile.

I did not know this, interesting little tidbit.

[Bara Mortath]

You could investigate Cyclic methods of control also,abstinence at times of fertility etc. would help,but it's not foolproof.

Far from fool proof, as generations of catholics can attest.


You may well be able to render yourself sterile with magic, but why, there are easy reliable material ways to do the same thing. There may well have been magic practiced in the ancient world to control fertility, but behind it I suspect there was a wisewoman with a handfull of herbs and a pot of boiling water.