Okay, so the background story to this begins in November. I had a psychotic breakdown and was diagnoised with Major Depression with Psychotic features. I experienced very nasty auditory hallucinations and also felt burning and freezing sensation. The entire episode was nothing but torture of everything I was interested in, including magick, art, and RPGs. For instance, I had hallucinations of my characters screaming, yelling, and even raping me. Same with my spirit guides. It was a terrifying experience which left me too afraid of doing any kind of roleplaying and art for a while, and magick even longer. I'm more afraid of the magick because I haven't figured out how to face the fear yet. My counselor (yes, I am getting professional help) suggested that I practice some kind of witchcraft just to desensitize myself to it and learn to overcome the fear that way. I've also had some trouble listening to my spirit guides. Listening to them was different from hearing voices, it was more like feeling whereas the voices were cruel and had ways to physically torture me. So I don't think I was experiencing hallucinations when I communicated before the attack with them. When I go to the bookstore and look at the metaphysical section I tend to feel myself getting depressed because I feel and fear that I can't do anything with magick anymore. I get too scared and too caught up with what I experienced and don't want in anyway to accidentally evoke those voices again. I don't think I can, but it's an irrational fear. I do want to face this fear though, I want to resume practicing magick without worry about what trouble I might get into with hallucinations. But I'm not sure what I should do and I'm wondering if any of you have some suggestions. I'm a pretty well-experienced magician, in that I've done the LBRP before and I've even done some Goetic Evocations. Those things I fear are a bit over my head for the moment, but I'm willing to try other things. I just don't know what I could focus on practically or spiritually.
Thanks in advance to those who may have advice for me. I appreciate you reading this.
Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
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Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
Are you on medication for the depression?And It would be helpful to know a little more about you and the nature of your practices around the time of the breakdown.
I'd recommend a cleansing/smudging of your living space and some gentle self help/rebalancing of spirit to begin with.[Some meds can contraindicate certain herbs and items so it's sensible to check that out before starting.]
It's only been three months since your breakdown,you will need some more time to recover fully,so be easy on yourself,walk before running,lol.
LBRP and Goetics are outside my field of experience,so I can't be of much use in discussing that.I have heard of dificulties with certain types of practices,but again I wouldn't want to speculate without understanding more.
More later,will have a think about it.
I'd recommend a cleansing/smudging of your living space and some gentle self help/rebalancing of spirit to begin with.[Some meds can contraindicate certain herbs and items so it's sensible to check that out before starting.]
It's only been three months since your breakdown,you will need some more time to recover fully,so be easy on yourself,walk before running,lol.
LBRP and Goetics are outside my field of experience,so I can't be of much use in discussing that.I have heard of dificulties with certain types of practices,but again I wouldn't want to speculate without understanding more.
More later,will have a think about it.
"He lived his words, spoke his own actions and his story and the story of the world ran parallel."
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
Distressing times for you, Sarosong. You have our best wishes, backed up with a few thoughts which I hope will be useful to you.
Firstly, I'm a magician, not a psychotherapist, and I do recommend you seek whatever helpful professional advice is to be found. A counsellor is a good start but you may need to seek further.
Secondly: goetia. Oh dear. Tell me you banished properly after your goetic evocations. In any case, the LBRP seems like a very wholesome and helpful exercise to continue.
Thirdly, Nahemah has given very wise and sensible advice. Remember that a breakdown is an illness and needs not only treatment but time for gentle recovery. Go easy.
Fourthly, without knowing your situation much better this can be only a shot in the dark which you will have to judge, but you seem to need a magician's control of experience. Not control in the sense of "I'm all-powerful and I've got my thumb on everything" but working with one's experience and gaining choice of responses. If an entity gets hostile on you, hit it with a strongly visualised pentagram and tell it you'll cut its balls off if it doesn't behave, so to speak. If voices plague you, make them high and squeaky so that they're more amusing than anything else. You may be afraid, but you can still hold your head up high.
Good luck and get well.
Firstly, I'm a magician, not a psychotherapist, and I do recommend you seek whatever helpful professional advice is to be found. A counsellor is a good start but you may need to seek further.
Secondly: goetia. Oh dear. Tell me you banished properly after your goetic evocations. In any case, the LBRP seems like a very wholesome and helpful exercise to continue.
Thirdly, Nahemah has given very wise and sensible advice. Remember that a breakdown is an illness and needs not only treatment but time for gentle recovery. Go easy.
Fourthly, without knowing your situation much better this can be only a shot in the dark which you will have to judge, but you seem to need a magician's control of experience. Not control in the sense of "I'm all-powerful and I've got my thumb on everything" but working with one's experience and gaining choice of responses. If an entity gets hostile on you, hit it with a strongly visualised pentagram and tell it you'll cut its balls off if it doesn't behave, so to speak. If voices plague you, make them high and squeaky so that they're more amusing than anything else. You may be afraid, but you can still hold your head up high.
Good luck and get well.
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Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
I'd be curious as to what sort of meds you are on and what these are treating. Full blown hallucinations can be brought on through magick practice, and if you have a natural predilection...
I'd honestly try to go with more 'energy' magic and try to avoid doing stuff with spirits much. Spirits, astral planes, and all of that stuff tends towards seeing things or trying to see things and I don't think you need that kind of trouble (unless you're taking something to prevent hallucination). Qui-Gung is pretty good stuff.
I'd just go with one step at a time, avoid anything intense- gnosis doesn't always need to be achieved via huge, brain busting overloads.
I'd honestly try to go with more 'energy' magic and try to avoid doing stuff with spirits much. Spirits, astral planes, and all of that stuff tends towards seeing things or trying to see things and I don't think you need that kind of trouble (unless you're taking something to prevent hallucination). Qui-Gung is pretty good stuff.
I'd just go with one step at a time, avoid anything intense- gnosis doesn't always need to be achieved via huge, brain busting overloads.
Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
When I was nine years old I had a mental break down due to bullying at school, I fond myself terrified of the spies in the walls and sitting on top to of the fridge screaming, afraid that the family dog was poison. A psychosis is a terrible and horrifying thing, but it is your mind playing tricks on you. What you are going though it seams is the same as I did once. I was so afraid of the terror of a psychosis that I did not dare to live life properly. I was afraid of getting afraid. What you went through was horrible, but you have to learn to live again and do the things you want to do.
I recommend the LBRP and other banishing and cleansing rituals. A psychosis leaves allot of erratic and often negative Energy, it would be good to cleanse it out. Other than that I recommend going fluffy. You are afraid of the occult, but want to practice? Start with the nicest, cutest and most harmless, flack covered, pink witchcraft book you can find. There should be nothing scary in that. When you are used to working with that, do something a bit less fluffy and work yourself slowly back to whatever you practiced before.
I recommend the LBRP and other banishing and cleansing rituals. A psychosis leaves allot of erratic and often negative Energy, it would be good to cleanse it out. Other than that I recommend going fluffy. You are afraid of the occult, but want to practice? Start with the nicest, cutest and most harmless, flack covered, pink witchcraft book you can find. There should be nothing scary in that. When you are used to working with that, do something a bit less fluffy and work yourself slowly back to whatever you practiced before.
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Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
To answer some of the questions, yes I am on medication and am seeking help. I'm on Risperdone for the hallucinations and Celexa for the depression. I'm not in any case seeking magical help for those things. The last Goetic Evocation I did was in the summer, and we did banish properly. The last magical practice I remember doing before falling apart was Rending the Veil and using a mudra to open the veil. I recall closing and banishing then too. I really don't think that my condition was brought on by magick, though I did speak with a good medium and she said that in some part Spirit was trying to get my attention about all the negativity I was carrying and eventually I will be well enough to speak to spirits again. I don't think I'm ready for that step as much as I miss some of the friends I made with spirits.
As for my nature in magick, my latest thing was Ceremonial Magick. I did dabble in a little bit of witchcraft, and I think that a little harmless witchcraft may be a good start as well. I'm interested in what kinds of spiritual balance I could do and think that you all are onto something. I have been feeling spiritually weak, which I believe is part of my problem other than the fear of running into hallucinations again. Gnostic states of mind are probably something to avoid for now.
Do any of you have any suggestions on what I could do to rebalance myself or perhaps work on feeling a bit more spiritually stable again?
As for my nature in magick, my latest thing was Ceremonial Magick. I did dabble in a little bit of witchcraft, and I think that a little harmless witchcraft may be a good start as well. I'm interested in what kinds of spiritual balance I could do and think that you all are onto something. I have been feeling spiritually weak, which I believe is part of my problem other than the fear of running into hallucinations again. Gnostic states of mind are probably something to avoid for now.
Do any of you have any suggestions on what I could do to rebalance myself or perhaps work on feeling a bit more spiritually stable again?
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Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
....More later,will have a think about it.I'll post back here in the morning.
Thanks for sharing more info Sarosong.It helps a lot.My son is on risperadone atm.[he is recovering from viral encephalitis] so I am familiar with the pros and cons of how it works/interacts.Cool.
I've recovered well from mental health issues of my own.I'm sure between us all,we can help and we're all here to talk,learn and share,talking is good therapy in itself.
Thanks for sharing more info Sarosong.It helps a lot.My son is on risperadone atm.[he is recovering from viral encephalitis] so I am familiar with the pros and cons of how it works/interacts.Cool.
I've recovered well from mental health issues of my own.I'm sure between us all,we can help and we're all here to talk,learn and share,talking is good therapy in itself.
"He lived his words, spoke his own actions and his story and the story of the world ran parallel."
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
The LBRP is good for rebalancing one's Spiritual side. So is eating healthy, meditating and pampering yourself a bit. Simple daily rituals for strength and Spiritual strength might be beneficial to. Though the LBRP do take care of that. It is a great little ritual.
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As V says above.I have found a number of contraindications with herbs,so I want to tailor advice for you according to this.Sorry for taking a while.
"He lived his words, spoke his own actions and his story and the story of the world ran parallel."
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
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Herb/Nutraceutical for Risperadone: Avoid kava kava, gotu kola, valerian,ginkgo biloba, , ginseng, garlic, echinacea, saw palmetto,rosemary St John's wort (may increase CNS depression).
This is what I found on herbal contraindications. [I think a small amount of garlic,as in food: say garlic bread etc. is ok.Just no supplements]
You can smudge or cleanse living space by using either incense or dried herb bundles.Sage should be ok.[unless you are,like me,allergic to the stuff,Lol]
I'd use dragon's blood incense and maybe also sandalwood,if you use incense instead of herbs.
For bathing,you should be fine with salt baths and lavender and /or chamomile.
I'm still checking for Celexa,I'm not familiar with that one.
Perhaps some meditation or relaxation techniques would be useful also? My lad still gets quite anxious if he gets upset,even with the risperidone.I get him to slow his breathing,sit down and I talk quietly to him while he breathes.He uses me as his relaxation technique! Lol again,but seriously.
More later.
This is what I found on herbal contraindications. [I think a small amount of garlic,as in food: say garlic bread etc. is ok.Just no supplements]
You can smudge or cleanse living space by using either incense or dried herb bundles.Sage should be ok.[unless you are,like me,allergic to the stuff,Lol]
I'd use dragon's blood incense and maybe also sandalwood,if you use incense instead of herbs.
For bathing,you should be fine with salt baths and lavender and /or chamomile.
I'm still checking for Celexa,I'm not familiar with that one.
Perhaps some meditation or relaxation techniques would be useful also? My lad still gets quite anxious if he gets upset,even with the risperidone.I get him to slow his breathing,sit down and I talk quietly to him while he breathes.He uses me as his relaxation technique! Lol again,but seriously.
More later.
"He lived his words, spoke his own actions and his story and the story of the world ran parallel."
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
The one thing you haven't mentioned, is who your Godform is. For your sake, I hope that doesn't mean you don't have one.
If you do have one, I'd suggest offering to them, and make it worth a few hundred dollars, if you have it.
Keep banishing, and use sigilisation to set up some barriers/wards as well. If you've done Goetic work, it's extremely possible that one of them has decided to mess with you. Paimon gave me a nightmare once; the nastier among them really love screwing with your head. They're very good at finding your individual hot buttons, and they'll hone in on them directly, and push push push. Your guides won't be abusing you in the way you mention. NOTHING that does that is divine in nature. Some of the more Cthonic Godforms will test you at times, but when that happens, there are at least sometimes consistent elements of the experience.
You need to get back in touch with your sense of magical authority. Anything screaming at you like that is a demon which is messing with you. Invoke your Godform, use the MP to charge yourself up, offer to Michael and summon him to your side, call down your HGA, and then take out the garbage. That means the Solomonic curses; it means binding and torturing them via sigils; it means sending them to the Hell construct of their choice or yours; it means generally kicking ass and chewing bubblegum.
As a human, you are a divine, quadripolar being. They are not. That means you have authority. Become appropriately furious, and use it.
"What's that you say, guys? You're not Goetics, you're not under that covenant, so I can't use it order you around? That's just peachy. I'll make one up, and then after I've used Chaos to torture you to the point where you're sobbing in a foetal position on the floor, then you'll agree to it, regardless of the terms I decide to include. If you're not willing to play by those rules, I'll hand you to either Michael or Kali Ma, and the outcome of that will most likely leave you wishing that you'd decided to take your chances with me instead. Game on."
If you do have one, I'd suggest offering to them, and make it worth a few hundred dollars, if you have it.
Keep banishing, and use sigilisation to set up some barriers/wards as well. If you've done Goetic work, it's extremely possible that one of them has decided to mess with you. Paimon gave me a nightmare once; the nastier among them really love screwing with your head. They're very good at finding your individual hot buttons, and they'll hone in on them directly, and push push push. Your guides won't be abusing you in the way you mention. NOTHING that does that is divine in nature. Some of the more Cthonic Godforms will test you at times, but when that happens, there are at least sometimes consistent elements of the experience.
You need to get back in touch with your sense of magical authority. Anything screaming at you like that is a demon which is messing with you. Invoke your Godform, use the MP to charge yourself up, offer to Michael and summon him to your side, call down your HGA, and then take out the garbage. That means the Solomonic curses; it means binding and torturing them via sigils; it means sending them to the Hell construct of their choice or yours; it means generally kicking ass and chewing bubblegum.
As a human, you are a divine, quadripolar being. They are not. That means you have authority. Become appropriately furious, and use it.
"What's that you say, guys? You're not Goetics, you're not under that covenant, so I can't use it order you around? That's just peachy. I'll make one up, and then after I've used Chaos to torture you to the point where you're sobbing in a foetal position on the floor, then you'll agree to it, regardless of the terms I decide to include. If you're not willing to play by those rules, I'll hand you to either Michael or Kali Ma, and the outcome of that will most likely leave you wishing that you'd decided to take your chances with me instead. Game on."
Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
I don't really have a godform, though I have been working with Yahweh for the last couple of months ever since I went down like that. Nothing's been screaming at me since I went on the risperdal, but I still find myself fearful of doing magick, even the simplest of exercises like visualisation. I think you'e right though, I need to work on my magical authority. Maybe I can start by calling on the angels for help, but first I need to deal with this fear. I feel like I need to find a shaman and have them do a soul retrieval like that other person did in the forum. Or at least find a healer. Too bad I don't know anyone.
Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
I think we might be able to rally up some troops ^_^
I do Reiki, and a bit of Huna (Serge Kahili King edition) myself, and one of the other admins does some form of healing also, I never did ask lol.
I believe there's even a place for healing requests
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/topic?id=29599
Just wake the thread up if you're interested
I do Reiki, and a bit of Huna (Serge Kahili King edition) myself, and one of the other admins does some form of healing also, I never did ask lol.
I believe there's even a place for healing requests
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/topic?id=29599
Just wake the thread up if you're interested
Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
I can also recommend Bach's flower remedies for fear, there are several good combinations of remedies which work for fear. I especially recommend the rescue remedy.
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Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
Sarosong,the risperidal is a control for anxiety but it has some side effects of it's own,please remember to go slowly and steadily back into practice and be easy on yourself.
Troops are here if you want help,as Vashta said already.I 'm sure we 'll all pitch in as best we can.
You can retrieve your own shard,but it 's a lengthy journey and one that requires careful managing.I agree that taking this over to the healing thread may be in order,as Vashta also suggested.
Celexa/Herb interaction info/check coming soon,almost done.
Troops are here if you want help,as Vashta said already.I 'm sure we 'll all pitch in as best we can.
You can retrieve your own shard,but it 's a lengthy journey and one that requires careful managing.I agree that taking this over to the healing thread may be in order,as Vashta also suggested.
Celexa/Herb interaction info/check coming soon,almost done.
"He lived his words, spoke his own actions and his story and the story of the world ran parallel."
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
Thank you all so much for your help. You're all dolls <3
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Well,same for Citalopram as with Risperidal,but also avoid l-tyrptophan and 5htp supplements. Any 'off the shelf' medicines or supplements you are thinking of taking,you should check with the doctor first,basically,at the risk of sounding like captain obvious here,lol...but there are also nsaids [aspirin etc.] you should be careful of too.
I didn't rexognise the name Celexa,but I do know Citalopram,the generic name for the drug.
How are you feeling generally,you seem quite positive [which is good]....you ok?
I didn't rexognise the name Celexa,but I do know Citalopram,the generic name for the drug.
How are you feeling generally,you seem quite positive [which is good]....you ok?
"He lived his words, spoke his own actions and his story and the story of the world ran parallel."
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
I'm having my ups and downs. I got some advice on how to possibly get my ability to talk to spirits again. The person suggested that I absorb goddess energy and ask the goddess to open my eyes to what is. This may seem like the obvious to some but not to me, I've never worked with the goddess before. I read someone's aura today which brought me some hope, but it was hard to do. I found a place that does Reiki healing, and I'm reaching out to local pagan groups so I'm not so alone here.
I had a psychic tell me that part of the reason I can't hear spirits anymore is because I was attacked by someone that I knew and intended to be malcious. I suspect it was the guy who did goetic evocations with me because he began to hate me after I chose not to be friends with him anymore.
I had a psychic tell me that part of the reason I can't hear spirits anymore is because I was attacked by someone that I knew and intended to be malcious. I suspect it was the guy who did goetic evocations with me because he began to hate me after I chose not to be friends with him anymore.
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"I'm having my ups and downs. I got some advice on how to possibly get my ability to talk to spirits again. The person suggested that I absorb goddess energy and ask the goddess to open my eyes to what is. This may seem like the obvious to some but not to me, I've never worked with the goddess before. I read someone's aura today which brought me some hope, but it was hard to do. I found a place that does Reiki healing, and I'm reaching out to local pagan groups so I'm not so alone here."
Cool.You will have ups and downs,that is to be expected.You are being active and reaching out,that is a good thing.Small steps, a bit at a time,with you dictating your own pace.Taking back control, a litle at a time,is the way to go.
"I had a psychic tell me that part of the reason I can't hear spirits anymore is because I was attacked by someone that I knew and intended to be malcious. I suspect it was the guy who did goetic evocations with me because he began to hate me after I chose not to be friends with him anymore."
Have you cut off all contact with this person?
Seems a silly/obvious question ,but it's not.
More later.
Cool.You will have ups and downs,that is to be expected.You are being active and reaching out,that is a good thing.Small steps, a bit at a time,with you dictating your own pace.Taking back control, a litle at a time,is the way to go.
"I had a psychic tell me that part of the reason I can't hear spirits anymore is because I was attacked by someone that I knew and intended to be malcious. I suspect it was the guy who did goetic evocations with me because he began to hate me after I chose not to be friends with him anymore."
Have you cut off all contact with this person?
Seems a silly/obvious question ,but it's not.
More later.
"He lived his words, spoke his own actions and his story and the story of the world ran parallel."
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
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Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
"I had a psychic tell me that part of the reason I can't hear spirits anymore is because I was attacked by someone that I knew and intended to be malcious. I suspect it was the guy who did goetic evocations with me because he began to hate me after I chose not to be friends with him anymore."
Have you cut off all contact with this person?
Seems a silly/obvious question ,but it's not.
More later.
In regard to the above,this is a post I made on another thread here,previously.I will expand on it,but I wanted to show it to you.This is me being much more open and talkative on a personal level,than I've been in my whole time online.I owe OF and I decided to help out where I can.I do have some relevant experience with these matters and I want to help you,as I 've been helped myself in the past. Oh ans I 'm not suggesting lucid dreaming/active astral work toyou,not yet at least,definately.[This was in context in another matter.]
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"My perspective: someone who can threaten you or dominate you in the conscious realm can easily enough get through to your sub/unconscious self also.Whether you see this as psychic attack,mental manipulation,astral vampirism etc. dosen't so much matter as learning methods of prevention and fighting back do.Don't just be a survivor become a warrior,then be a winner.[my opinion and advice]
Can you go lucid? if not,learn how,there are many methods,techniques and systems out there which will be useful to you.Take the time to master as much of your inner mind as you can.It will be such a useful learning experience for you anyway,even if you never experience attacks like this again.These kinds of folk tend to prey on/victimise those who are already vulnerable in some way.Depressed folk or those who've recently suffered in life in some way.First part sound like the person you described at all? Sound like you in any way,re the vulnerability? Heal from it,learn from it and use what you learn to help yourself and then others.Make it part of the journey of your life,own it.
Shields,wards and protections,to your own paradigmic tastes will help,but you deal with this best by becoming stronger,mentally and psychically than the attacker and then you can choose whether to dish it back [keeps you tied to that negative person,but if you're the vengeful type you may not mind that?]leave a warning note: i.e invade them,but be ethical about it[my style,lol] or even go with resting secure in the knowledge you can deal if you have to in the future.
Have you got this person you mentioned out of your life? If not you should,shut 'em down,break the links and so on,physically IRL.You can do that kind of thing ritually too,I'm not sure on the details,I have my own methods : cord cutting[?]to break the dream/astral links too.
I think many Occultists/Magickians will have had to deal with the shadows of the mind and no doubt may or will have encountered similarly predatory or unsavoury types/personalities,who will try to come through the Dreamstate/Astral for attacks etc.Maybe not? But I recall previous onlne discussions where this seemed rather common at one point.I'm sure others here[ Shaam? Azzerac?,others too,but you two guys really know your stuff] will have wise words for you on this.
I know some techniques and protections,it's been a while for me,but I'll go look for some info I think I have somewhere.
I agree that shields don't always work,so I will go with the 'come on in,if you think you're hard enough' mindset,it's my dreamscape and I control it.hey I'm Glaswegian,after all[ some styereotypes are accurate,lol].But of course I have my weapons at the ready,should that seem likely.I trained hard.It's worth it.
You should be able to sleep safe in your own home,that is a right not a priveledge in my book.I am not a fan of the 'take by domination' types."
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First step in fighting back is cleansing,of self and living/ritual space.
That is why I got the interactions check done.
What have you done,if you have started with this,already?
I can advise from my paradigm/perspective,in regard to this and others can too,from theirs.
I have some methods and wardings I can put up here for you.I just want to know what you have done so far/are considering doing,so I can tailor advice.
[Cord cutting rituals anyone?]
We should approach this holistically,body,mind and spirit.
I have my living/ritual space protected and warded as a matter of course.It is something I feel is important,for practioners.However you may do it.
After events such as your experiences,it makes sense to redefine all boundaries...In Body,Mind and Spirit.
More later.
Have you cut off all contact with this person?
Seems a silly/obvious question ,but it's not.
More later.
In regard to the above,this is a post I made on another thread here,previously.I will expand on it,but I wanted to show it to you.This is me being much more open and talkative on a personal level,than I've been in my whole time online.I owe OF and I decided to help out where I can.I do have some relevant experience with these matters and I want to help you,as I 've been helped myself in the past. Oh ans I 'm not suggesting lucid dreaming/active astral work toyou,not yet at least,definately.[This was in context in another matter.]
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"My perspective: someone who can threaten you or dominate you in the conscious realm can easily enough get through to your sub/unconscious self also.Whether you see this as psychic attack,mental manipulation,astral vampirism etc. dosen't so much matter as learning methods of prevention and fighting back do.Don't just be a survivor become a warrior,then be a winner.[my opinion and advice]
Can you go lucid? if not,learn how,there are many methods,techniques and systems out there which will be useful to you.Take the time to master as much of your inner mind as you can.It will be such a useful learning experience for you anyway,even if you never experience attacks like this again.These kinds of folk tend to prey on/victimise those who are already vulnerable in some way.Depressed folk or those who've recently suffered in life in some way.First part sound like the person you described at all? Sound like you in any way,re the vulnerability? Heal from it,learn from it and use what you learn to help yourself and then others.Make it part of the journey of your life,own it.
Shields,wards and protections,to your own paradigmic tastes will help,but you deal with this best by becoming stronger,mentally and psychically than the attacker and then you can choose whether to dish it back [keeps you tied to that negative person,but if you're the vengeful type you may not mind that?]leave a warning note: i.e invade them,but be ethical about it[my style,lol] or even go with resting secure in the knowledge you can deal if you have to in the future.
Have you got this person you mentioned out of your life? If not you should,shut 'em down,break the links and so on,physically IRL.You can do that kind of thing ritually too,I'm not sure on the details,I have my own methods : cord cutting[?]to break the dream/astral links too.
I think many Occultists/Magickians will have had to deal with the shadows of the mind and no doubt may or will have encountered similarly predatory or unsavoury types/personalities,who will try to come through the Dreamstate/Astral for attacks etc.Maybe not? But I recall previous onlne discussions where this seemed rather common at one point.I'm sure others here[ Shaam? Azzerac?,others too,but you two guys really know your stuff] will have wise words for you on this.
I know some techniques and protections,it's been a while for me,but I'll go look for some info I think I have somewhere.
I agree that shields don't always work,so I will go with the 'come on in,if you think you're hard enough' mindset,it's my dreamscape and I control it.hey I'm Glaswegian,after all[ some styereotypes are accurate,lol].But of course I have my weapons at the ready,should that seem likely.I trained hard.It's worth it.
You should be able to sleep safe in your own home,that is a right not a priveledge in my book.I am not a fan of the 'take by domination' types."
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First step in fighting back is cleansing,of self and living/ritual space.
That is why I got the interactions check done.
What have you done,if you have started with this,already?
I can advise from my paradigm/perspective,in regard to this and others can too,from theirs.
I have some methods and wardings I can put up here for you.I just want to know what you have done so far/are considering doing,so I can tailor advice.
[Cord cutting rituals anyone?]
We should approach this holistically,body,mind and spirit.
I have my living/ritual space protected and warded as a matter of course.It is something I feel is important,for practioners.However you may do it.
After events such as your experiences,it makes sense to redefine all boundaries...In Body,Mind and Spirit.
More later.
"He lived his words, spoke his own actions and his story and the story of the world ran parallel."
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
Yes, I have cut off all contact with this person. I blocked him on AIM and Facebook and I don’t even live in the same city as him anymore.
Probably a good thing that I don’t do any astral work for a while. For one, I could never get it to work and two, I’m a little too afraid that I’m not as protected as I should feel.
- These kinds of folk tend to prey on/victimise those who are already vulnerable in some way.Depressed folk or those who've recently suffered in life in some way.First part sound like the person you described at all? Sound like you in any way,re the vulnerability? Heal from it,learn from it and use what you learn to help yourself and then others.Make it part of the journey of your life,own it. –
This does sound like him. I think the psychosis hit, and then he hit. I’m not sure what order it happened in, but it happened. I’m working on learning to heal from it, as I mentioned before I’m starting to look into finding a Reiki master to see if they could help me in some way.
I intend on binding this guy once I’m strong enough. I don’t want to hurt him or anyone else, but I don’t want him abusing his magick like this and hurting others as he pleases. He really liked attacking others when I was friends with him, I never approved of it but he also never cared. While I was in the hospital my friends looked at his Facebook profile and apparently he had gotten into darker things and alluded to doing something to someone. He didn’t specify who.
- I think many Occultists/Magickians will have had to deal with the shadows of the mind and no doubt may or will have encountered similarly predatory or unsavoury types/personalities,who will try to come through the Dreamstate/Astral for attacks etc.Maybe not? But I recall previous onlne discussions where this seemed rather common at one point.I'm sure others here[ Shaam? Azzerac?,others too,but you two guys really know your stuff] will have wise words for you on this.
I think I would like to hear about these experiences.
I built some protective shield around myself through the help of someone else. I still don’t feel safe, but that may be from the fact that I’ve lost a lot of trust in things magical. I may have to make more, or heal myself somehow so that I know that I’m stronger.
I’d also like to hear your methods of warding if you don’t mind. ï
Probably a good thing that I don’t do any astral work for a while. For one, I could never get it to work and two, I’m a little too afraid that I’m not as protected as I should feel.
- These kinds of folk tend to prey on/victimise those who are already vulnerable in some way.Depressed folk or those who've recently suffered in life in some way.First part sound like the person you described at all? Sound like you in any way,re the vulnerability? Heal from it,learn from it and use what you learn to help yourself and then others.Make it part of the journey of your life,own it. –
This does sound like him. I think the psychosis hit, and then he hit. I’m not sure what order it happened in, but it happened. I’m working on learning to heal from it, as I mentioned before I’m starting to look into finding a Reiki master to see if they could help me in some way.
I intend on binding this guy once I’m strong enough. I don’t want to hurt him or anyone else, but I don’t want him abusing his magick like this and hurting others as he pleases. He really liked attacking others when I was friends with him, I never approved of it but he also never cared. While I was in the hospital my friends looked at his Facebook profile and apparently he had gotten into darker things and alluded to doing something to someone. He didn’t specify who.
- I think many Occultists/Magickians will have had to deal with the shadows of the mind and no doubt may or will have encountered similarly predatory or unsavoury types/personalities,who will try to come through the Dreamstate/Astral for attacks etc.Maybe not? But I recall previous onlne discussions where this seemed rather common at one point.I'm sure others here[ Shaam? Azzerac?,others too,but you two guys really know your stuff] will have wise words for you on this.
I think I would like to hear about these experiences.
I built some protective shield around myself through the help of someone else. I still don’t feel safe, but that may be from the fact that I’ve lost a lot of trust in things magical. I may have to make more, or heal myself somehow so that I know that I’m stronger.
I’d also like to hear your methods of warding if you don’t mind. ï
Had a breakdown, don't know what to do.
I do not recommend this really. Bindings do not work as in the movies, they can slow someone down but you have to be very skilled, and make damned sure you are more skilled than your target is for it to be anything like a permanent solution, and even that can be broken out of. Also a binding is a magickal attack, and if the person you are talking about have any experience at all he will be regularly setting up protections and doing banishments and you have to break through that first, also magick users of the not so sweet and love variety tend to set up some nasty surprises in said protections. Binding someone who is experienced is not easy to do and will most likely result in him retaliating. I would worry about protecting yourself and just leave this guy alone.I intend on binding this guy once I’m strong enough. I don’t want to hurt him or anyone else, but I don’t want him abusing his magick like this and hurting others as he pleases.
With the danger of sounding like a particular green science fiction character, that is why you fail. Magick has allot to do with perception. If you do not feel safe, if you do not feel confident about your wards and protections, then they get virtually powerless. As my boyfriend like to say it, fake it until you make it. Convince yourself that you are perfectly safe, that this person you are afraid of can not touch you and he will not be able to. I know that is hard, but that is one method which do work.I built some protective shield around myself through the help of someone else. I still don’t feel safe,
If you believe this person you are talking about has the ability to hurt you through magick, why do you not believe you can protect yourself through magick?but that may be from the fact that I’ve lost a lot of trust in things magical. I may have to make more, or heal myself somehow so that I know that I’m stronger.
One of the methods I use is from Scott Cunningham's book Wicca A Guide To The Solitary Practitioner. I envision three purple spheres around me. One I draw into my body and it forms a vein network inside me and protect me from the inside, the second I put along my skin to act like a barrier protecting me like my skin protect my internal organs, and the third to put in an aura around me preventing negative Energy from getting close, so a three way protection. All the time while doing this I chat. "I am protected by Your might, gracious Goddess day and night" over and over again. This little ritual is very simple, but it works very well for me. I also like to use the LBRP.I’d also like to hear your methods of warding if you don’t mind.
*Learn magic for it is the only truth of this reality, become magic and you will become the essence of that truth--Ars Magica
*Cats are magical, the more you pet them the longer you both live--Unknown
*The universe is full of magical things, patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper--Eden Phillpotts
*Cats are magical, the more you pet them the longer you both live--Unknown
*The universe is full of magical things, patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper--Eden Phillpotts