nazca lines

[imorcist]

i am very intrested in the old Maya culture and such.
does someone have a good explaination of what the nazca lines symbols mean and what they are for?
perhaps some esoteric meaning?

and i look for esoteric work regarding the Maya culture. i find Babalonian magic by Michael w ford a very good book. very informtive.
i look for a book that work with Mayan magic/witchcraft/rituals with ah puch and the dark gods of maya.

i have 2 books that i shall look for
Popol vuh
shamanism: archaic technigues of ecstasy by mircea eliade
esotericism of the popol vuh by raphael girard

[Nahemah]

On Nazca,the first information I read was from Von Daniken,erm...yeh.It was lying around my Aunt's house and I picked it up out of curiosity,I thought it was a bit wacky,but the Nazca lines are intriguing in their own right.

I 've also read from the Popul Vuh,but it was ages ago and I should prolly refresh my memory a bit before attempting to discuss anything.

Do you have any thoughts of your own to contribute regarding Nazca and the Mayans?

[imorcist]

i belief that ancient maya was somewho connected with sumerian.
i see some connection with nazca figures and sumerian figures. like figures with bird feet and stuff.
in south america at puma punko they have found a bowl with sumerian coniforms/ texts
and at a sunken temple near the site there are a large statue of the createtor god viru cotsha (?), (sorry for misspell). it is beliefed to be perhaps gilgamesh.

but amazingly i saw a program yeasterday about this. watch for yr self
begins at approx 17:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijkF2c0Z-BA

but i wanna begin with like reading popol vuh
and esotericism of the popol vuh.
i am very intrested in sumerian/ babylonian and the ancient south american cultures.

[Nahemah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Heyerdahl

Ra II,are you familiar with Thor Heyerdahl?

Also,Legend by David Rohl,the Genesis of Civilisation.In this book there is a ton of research about transmigration out of Sumer into and through Egypt.It's fascinating reading, especially if you are geekish about history,like me.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Legend-Genesis- ... 009979991X


Connecting the Rohl work to Thor Heyerdahl's Ra II.I can see how a further migration could be possible.

I believe plants known to be used medicinally in Egypt have been found in early South American excavation sites and there is some research going on as to the method of transference of these species between continents,that supports the migration of people from N.Africa at some point.

[imorcist]

i am not familiar with Thor Heyerdahl.
i am only familiar with zecharia sitchins books. 12th planet, wars of gods and men, end of days, genesis revisited, lost realm. he also belief that everything was connectioned.
what bothers me is he give a very little about the nazca lines. all the symbols and stuff. he suggests that the area of the nazca lines are where the anunakki left earth. so called a spaceport. but he doesnt relly explain why he belief that or show evidence.

i belief it might have been puma punko.

i wonder if the ancient ruins are older than we think? perhaps the continents where attached.

do u watch Ancient aliens on history channel?

i do hope they show something about the statues on Easter island.
can we trace Ah puch back to sumer or human sacrifice?
i guess i am a freak in these matters too but on a amateurish way. u have any suggestions on the 13th crystal skulls?

[TheSeeker]

I think before we all go Von Danekin' around with our Hyerdals someone like Me should probably point out that the Mayans --natives of Central America-- had absolutely nothing to do with Nazca, which is a region in southern Peru. [geek2]

[Nahemah]

Oopsy and yeh.I read the wiki article and managed to miss that.Duh.Skimmed the top and went to the meat,my bad. [blush]

I was interested in the fact that the lines can be observed from the surounding hills,which contradicts some of the theory about Aliens and the lines only making sense from Space etc...


Nazca people/culture,before Incas,right?

I do admit I mix up the myths quite a lot,there is a running theme of divine/hero twins in both Mayan and Inca myth that confuses me sometimes,lol.I really do need to reaquaint my self with the Popul Vuh,it's been a long time since I read it.

I thought Von Daniken was odd,but funny and it did stimulate a later interest in Sumeria and pre Dynastic Egypt,so not all bad for me.V Daniken takes interest in the Wadi carvings that depict 'helmeted people' [headresses and ornamnets? ] and 'spaceships' [boats?] in the area surrounding Abydos/Western Desert and the Wadis.Of course since the Boats were found in 2000,the spaceship things looks ever less likely.And Rohl discusses migration out of Sumeria,through the wadis and valleys,to the Predynastic settlements,among a lot of other reated topics.It's all very interesting stuff.

I was speculating based on this and the success of the RA II,that perhaps further migration out of Egypt could be possible too?

[TheSeeker]

Thor Hyerdal and the whole Kontiki thing rocked. But, twas more relevent to the speculative relationships between folks on the east coast of S.A., and not Peru.
The body of fringe archaeolofy and anthropology that relates to the West Coast of S.A. has more to do with the Chinese and the Olmec, Toltec, Aztecs and Maya afaik. [geek2]

[Nahemah]

Thor Hyerdal and the whole Kontiki thing rocked. But, twas more relevent to the speculative relationships between folks on the east coast of S.A., and not Peru.

I was mentioning RA II not Kon Tiki,the Tiki went out of Peru to Polynesia.

Ra II went from Morocco to Barbados,so is relevant as you say to the MesoAmerican people of the SE, e.g: the Maya,given that the Maytan territiories went up to/included part of the Yucatan peninsula ?

The Nasca lines,being Peruvian and in the West,how are they also relevant to the Maya,as you say below,when previously you said they weren't?

The body of fringe archaeolofy and anthropology that relates to the West Coast of S.A. has more to do with the Chinese and the Olmec, Toltec, Aztecs and Maya afaik. [geek2]

...someone like Me should probably point out that the Mayans --natives of Central America-- had absolutely nothing to do with Nazca, which is a region in southern Peru. [geek2]

I am proper confused now.

[TheSeeker]

I was mentioning RA II not Kon Tiki,the Tiki went out of Peru to Polynesia.

Got my boats mixed up, sorry.

Ra II went from Morocco to Barbados,so is relevant as you say to the MesoAmerican people of the SE, e.g: the Maya,given that the Maytan territiories went up to/included part of the Yucatan peninsula?

The Mayan Civilization occupied the Yucatan, and also the territories extending across the Central American Isthmus to the west coast.
As far as Hyerdal is concerned please show me any tangible, supportable material evidence anywhere which demonstrates contact between any culture native to the Yucatan Peninsula and one from the continents on the far side fo the Atlantic, and then we'll have grounds for a discussion. Besides, Barbados is like, 3000 Km from the Yucatan Peninsula. Not exactly right next door.
Wasn't it the first one of Hyerdal's boats that sank before they made port?

The Nasca lines,being Peruvian and in the West,how are they also relevant to the Maya,as you say below,when previously you said they weren't?

I did not say that the Nazca Lines are relevent to the Maya.

The body of fringe archaeolofy [sic] and anthropology that relates to the West Coast of S.A. has more to do with the Chinese and the Olmec, Toltec, Aztecs and Maya afaik.

However I would beg a typo: S.A. should be C.A.
I still fail to see where a said there was a relationship. In fact, the second quote of mine you used is quite clear.

...the Mayans --natives of Central America-- had absolutely nothing to do with Nazca, which is a region in southern Peru.

I am proper confused now.

I'll say!
So there's no further misunderstanding, my intent was simply to state that the Nazca people were geographically, culturally and temporally distinct and apart from the Maya.