Astral Realm

[manofsands]

There is a lot of talk 'around' the Astral realm, but not much directly about it. I'm sure some of this is because of the nature of the plane itself. However, I would guess the percentage of people with actual direct experience is probably very small. I've also been wondering lately if, for some reason, there is a cloak of ' hush-hush' around it.

For those with actual experience, who are willing to talk about it, I have a number of questions...

Is projection an innate gift or did you have to train yourself?

Is there an initiation that aids in projection?

Can other travelers help you 'out'?

What is your preferred method of projection?

Is your vision clear or fuzzy?

Do you feel you have a astral body, are a point of consciousness or that you are remotely viewing it from inside your physical body?

Do you have any problems with recall?
Any methods to aid in recall?

How do you differentiate between the various layers of the astral?

Is there a landscape, cities, society?... or are all there wanderers?

Are dreamers part of the larger astral or do they have their own personal space?

Are encounters common? Are there beings that consider it home?

That is all for now. Thanx in advance for any input.

[Ramscha]

The problem is about the splitting perspective again. THere are many who see it as an "outer" realm, dimension or so. THen there are others who simply see it as a mental plaine, some sort of dream realm mirroring what you are yourself (The whole iceberg, if you want to follow Freud). And there is of course also the opinion that it simply is a hallucination not worth mentioning. THose are some extremes, many different opinions in between the mentioned ones exist and surely more which may completly differ from what I mentioned.

Therefore you will also get a bunch off different answers to your questions depending on who you ask. Some may say yes, some no, some will say "I don't care, leave me with my fluffy unicorns!". From the experiences I got told by the people I spoke with it seems to me like a sort of thing which reflects that what the "traveler" is expecting, if he himself is now conscious of this expectations or not. It is strange and I can't exactly tell why this is the case, but I still found it an interesting thought.

Also, there are people who don't really care much about the astral realm and are more grounded, just to mention also this position.

Hope this helps, or maybe it just confused the matter even more. Both things may be good [crazy]

[Lord Ferocia]

There is a lot of talk 'around' the Astral realm, but not much directly about it. I'm sure some of this is because of the nature of the plane itself. However, I would guess the percentage of people with actual direct experience is probably very small. I've also been wondering lately if, for some reason, there is a cloak of ' hush-hush' around it.

Everyone experiences the astral, every day. Dreams occur within the astral. The astral is considered part of the World of Yetzirah (world of formation) within the Qabalah. It is the stuff of mind and the subconscious, it's roots touch down into the World of Assiah, the formative world, or material plane. It has been called the "blue-print" of the material plane. The Qabalah (and the Agnaw has a similar division) divides creation into four distinct worlds, each is associated with an elements and a Hebrew letter (YHVH) Fire, Water, Air, and finally Earth. Vav is Air, and air has magically been associated with mind, and this is the overall nature of the astral, that it is malleable and filled with forms of the mind. The idea behind magick is "as above so below", and this points to how manifestation works. Anything held long enough, or impressed upon the clay of the astral will harden into Assiah, and manifest. Many low magick and shamanistic works of magic simple deal with this sort of impression and manifestation.

For those with actual experience, who are willing to talk about it, I have a number of questions...

Is projection an innate gift or did you have to train yourself?

Both. Some have a natural knack for it, and have simply been able to leave their bodies at will (or have astral visions) since early childhood, while others have a hard time. Personally I had to practice and work on it. I did this from an early age. However, simply because one is able does not guarantee success every time, nor that one is able to leave under certain conditions. The best training aid, btw is deep relaxation, and a concentrated mind set.

Is there an initiation that aids in projection?

Yes, in a manner of speaking. There are those who can (for example) help you leave from the "other side". In addition, initiation assists through the manipulation of the subtle bodies, i.e. the Qabalistic "Body of Light."

Can other travelers help you 'out'?

Yes, definitely. This was done with myself when I was just a boy by my grandfather. It take a strong adept to do so, and this is truly rare.

What is your preferred method of projection?

I assume my Asana (posture), as this trains the body to "disappear" (figuratively speaking). The asana assists one in stilling the body, and in effect puts it to rest. With constant practice this allows one to slip in and out of the body easily. Before I learned asana, I would work through dreams, leading to lucid dreaming (visions) and this could turn into etheric projection (something much more physical in nature) if I chose.

Is your vision clear or fuzzy?

The experience should be crystal clear. Although one can experience vastly different phenomena and states (such as no sight as you know it at all!) As mentioned elsewhere here, I have had travels with no sight what so ever, but simply "felt" or "sensed" my environment in great detail. Very peculiar and hard to describe. Often in the astral you will have experiences that you could never have in the physical (like complete vision at once in all directions). One is free from the usual constraints and limitations of the physical.

Do you feel you have a astral body, are a point of consciousness or that you are remotely viewing it from inside your physical body?

Yes, you can be a point without a body, or you may "create" one there. It is fully "mind stuff", and will often simply form according to your expectations or default mental patterns. It is very malleable and can be directed as you wish.

One can certainly remote view. This is called skrying in the spirit vision, or having a vision. It is a particular knack in itself, but of the same mechanic.

Do you have any problems with recall?

Sometimes. This can happen, especially if for whatever reason you are slammed back. Astral conditions (think weather) can have an effect as well. The astral is highly effected by mass thought, and the current social climate around one. Although this is not always apparent. As above so below, which means all condenses into One as one goes "higher" up the planes. This is where various "minds" collide, and how each of us have both a personal astral plane, and yet can interact, as it is this higher point of unity that reflects individual expression.

Any methods to aid in recall?

Watch conditions on the astral (astrological configurations work), and practice. Protective aids, also help one from being slammed. The unpleasant effect of being pulled swiftly back into the body.

How do you differentiate between the various layers of the astral?

This is akin to asking how one divides up the layers of ocean. These divisions are arbitrary and sort of like choosing metric over standard. Various systems have their own "divisions:. The Agnaw is similar to the Qabalah's Four Worlds, in that we have three major divisions of creation and each of these is further divided into three (surprise). This gives us a middle world of the "astral", divided up into simply "High, Middle, and Low." It is the same if we were to simply characterize the ocean into "surface", "Mid" and "bottom". Each of course has particular qualities, and types of marine life etc. The divisions do not really exist but in label only. Some take these as quite literal. Anyway, the lower astral is more personal, and under the influence of the subconscious mind, here is where we usually dream. The mid astral is where we may have prophetic dreams relating to us, and also where we may dream about encountering the deceased. The higher astral is more refined and of a visionary nature, and become more attune to the outer world, it is here we usually have astral travels, and are alert within them. Normal dreams do not usually occur in the higher.

One can tell where they are among these levels when traveling based upon the nature of the environment. The lower is much more personal, physical in nature, thick and slow to change. The middle astral is a bit more fluid, refined in nature, and with much more symbolic overtones. The higher astral one is stripped of ones personality to a greater degree, the environment has a timeless feel, and one is often overcome with a sense of unity and communication of a higher order. The higher astral links with lowest of the highest level world of the Creative Intent. Here one is filled with various forms of the creative desires, and it is actually strangely sexual in nature (not to be confused with the lower sexual ideas). It is not a passion of the animal, but the refined passion of a God to manifest.

Is there a landscape, cities, society?... or are all there wanderers?

There are many things. These areas are malleable and the forms there are partly manifested by the group mind, and also by your own. It is a mix of both, that generate a world of awesome beauty, and of course the grotesque. You will encounter many wanderers, and many beings that live within this realm. The astral flora and fauna if you will.

Are dreamers part of the larger astral or do they have their own personal space?

Dreams occur on the lower astral, (generally speaking), and this is highly personal, and is based upon the subconscious mind (as opposed to the superconsciousness). The forms of these dreams rest upon the persons activities, bodily needs, emotional states etc. As one progresses up, one gets more and more unified with the outer world, other realms not fully within the personal sphere. Think of the astral as a little cove. One can swim around in this cove, among all his own personal business, and yet he can swim out of this cove and into the larger ocean where he is in a sort of community. This ocean is the aggregate of experiences of various personalized coves.

Are encounters common? Are there beings that consider it home?

Yes, as mentioned above. Common, and their are many (if not more) that call these higher places "home" than the physical plane. Of course, let's not be silly, all physical life is at home in these higher planes. Some of course have no physical aspects, and exist wholly on the higher planes.

I hope this helps give you a better understanding of the nature of the astral.

[manofsands]

Hope this helps, or maybe it just confused the matter even more. Both things may be good [crazy]

Yes,.. No... Its just about how I see it too, especially seeing what you expect. There are many who talk like they know, but they're just repeating what they've read. Like I said, I think those in the know are few and far between, or tight lipped.

[manofsands]

I hope this helps give you a better understanding of the nature of the astral.

Very much so, Thanx!

[RoseRed]

There is a lot of talk 'around' the Astral realm, but not much directly about it. I'm sure some of this is because of the nature of the plane itself. However, I would guess the percentage of people with actual direct experience is probably very small. I've also been wondering lately if, for some reason, there is a cloak of ' hush-hush' around it.

I agree with much of what the other posters have said already. To go back to something that LF has said in a different thread (and I believe this one as well - I read thru it earlier and just now have a chance to post) not everyone sees or experiences it in the same way. There is a lot of pe-concieved ideas that will show through. There are also people that think it's purely a visualization exercise. I'm not one of them. I think it's an actual realm and in this post I'll discuss how I have experienced it.

For those with actual experience, who are willing to talk about it, I have a number of questions...
I'm willing to discuss it to a point. I hope my experience will be helpful.

Is projection an innate gift or did you have to train yourself?
I believe it's an innate gift that most people have to varying degrees. It's a gift that can be strengthened through use, exercise and training.

Is there an initiation that aids in projection?
I've heard people talk about it but not in my experience. i don't really think that there is. Your mileage may vary.

Can other travelers help you 'out'?
Yes. You can have someone 'take you by the hand', so to speak, and help you break out of this realm and into this one kind of like a guide.

What is your preferred method of projection?
Laying down and going into a meditative state. With practice you can partially travel the astral while still being grounded in this world. That get's into more advanced techniques but it can be done.

Is your vision clear or fuzzy?
Perfectly clear.

Do you feel you have a astral body, are a point of consciousness or that you are remotely viewing it from inside your physical body?
Astral/spiritual/energic body. I think that most people travel with their Spirit, not with their Soul, although it can be done.

Do you have any problems with recall?
No. Do you have any problems recalling going to the mall or the grocery store? It's kinda like that for me.

Any methods to aid in recall?
N/A

How do you differentiate between the various layers of the astral?
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that. There are realms out there besides the astral.

Is there a landscape, cities, society?... or are all there wanderers?
No, not in the astral. There are wanderers, though. If you're astral traveling - you're a wanderer to someone else. There are things that exist there. There are the strands that connect people to each other, varying entities and your own magical workings. Try not to bump into those.

Are dreamers part of the larger astral or do they have their own personal space?
I think that the dream space is a different place than the astral. Dreamers can astral project but dream space is dream space. When you get into 'dream combat' one of the techniques that's often used is to pull a dreamer from their dream space and into the astral.

Are encounters common? Are there beings that consider it home?
Not if you're careful. Yes.

That is all for now. Thanx in advance for any input.
Your welcome. You've been given some really good info so far. I look forward to any further questions after you've had a chance to think on some of it.

I'd also like to add that I see the ethereal and the astral as two separate places. Not everyone does. The ethereal is what overlaps the physical. Bi-locating is done in the ethereal - not the astral.

[manofsands]

I'd also like to add that I see the ethereal and the astral as two separate places. Not everyone does. The ethereal is what overlaps the physical. Bi-locating is done in the ethereal - not the astral.

Thanx for the great input RR. I agree with what you say about the ethereal, though I never thought about the bi-location thing. Very interesting. I see the ethereal as the 'immediate template' for the physical.

do you differentiate between the various layers of the astral?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that. There are realms out there besides the astral.

This is just in reference to projecting on the physical plane, and/or 'rising' to the astral, and/or rising to another level... BTW... What are some other named destinations from here?

[Nahemah]

I'm answering from my own perspective before I read what others have said.Some questions I'll give detail,others not so much.

Is projection an innate gift or did you have to train yourself?

I was doing it before I knew what it was,so innate for me,but it can also be entrained and even naturally gifted folk need to work on getting about freely/transitioning and interpretation etc.

Is there an initiation that aids in projection?

There can be,it depends on your paradigm of choice/underlying spiritual or religious beliefs.

Can other travelers help you 'out'?

Yes and in.

What is your preferred method of projection?

Trance states and using hypnagogic/hypnopompic states.

Is your vision clear or fuzzy?

It's as clear as seeing with my outer eyes.

Do you feel you have a astral body, are a point of consciousness or that you are remotely viewing it from inside your physical body?

I have a body and am a point of consciousness also,I can switch perspectives.

I don't get the term 'remote viewing'.It's a strange concept to me.

I can send out part of my consciousness while retaining awareness in my own self.I usually do so through trance work when awake.Here in Northern Europe we call it bi location and it's a very old tradition among Celt and Norse folks.I am a Spaewife to trade and this ability is considered something that travels down through family bloodlines.

Do you have any problems with recall?

No,none.

Any methods to aid in recall?

Not off the top of my head at this time of night,no.

How do you differentiate between the various layers of the astral?

Hmm...well there are various 'skies' and I also know where I am by the qualities and depth of light and darkness around me.The places of the dead have no stars and transition points between places/planes are of the gloaming [other folk may call the gloaming the pre dawn and post dusk light stages of day and night,for instance: no moon or sun,if 'outdoors' and so on.]

Is there a landscape, cities, society?... or are all there wanderers?

Landscapes,dreamscapes,wild places and dwelling places, grey or dark,brightly coloured and also blinding lightish places,all sorts really,wanderers and fixed points.

Are dreamers part of the larger astral or do they have their own personal space?

Both.One enters into and out of the other and there are gateways between the personal/interpersonal and impersonal states and places/planes.

Are encounters common? Are there beings that consider it home?

Yes and yes.

[Nahemah]

One can certainly remote view. This is called skrying in the spirit vision, or having a vision. It is a particular knack in itself, but of the same mechanic.

This is helpful for me.I scry using various mediums and visionary experiences are something that have always been with me,but I have never connected to what others called 'remote viewing'.
I think perhaps I have only learned a limited view of what this term means,so far in talking with others previously and I'm interested in hearing more about it,from the members here.

I'm also wondering about the mentioned differences between ethereal and astral are in more detail and how folks here view these differences,in more detail.
I bilocate frequently as mentioned in my last post,it takes me to various places,some of which are past others are in the now and yet others,are well...other.I'm now very curious about other perspectives. [thumbup]

[Lord Ferocia]

One can certainly remote view. This is called skrying in the spirit vision, or having a vision. It is a particular knack in itself, but of the same mechanic.

This is helpful for me.I scry using various mediums and visionary experiences are something that have always been with me,but I have never connected to what others called 'remote viewing'.
I think perhaps I have only learned a limited view of what this term means,so far in talking with others previously and I'm interested in hearing more about it,from the members here.

I'm also wondering about the mentioned differences between ethereal and astral are in more detail and how folks here view these differences,in more detail.
I bilocate frequently as mentioned in my last post,it takes me to various places,some of which are past others are in the now and yet others,are well...other.I'm now very curious about other perspectives. [thumbup]

Hello Nahemah,

Yes, the term "remote viewing" was actually (if I am correct) coined outside the occult field. The technique was being examined by a small experimental faction within the government, and it was here that they called the phenomena remote viewing. However, as we all know, this is simply another word for skrying. I should add that remote viewing is usually used in terms of physical locations, as opposed to astral or otherwise. This is how I use the term myself. Visions, and skrying are used to describe higher plane work, and remote viewing relates to more physical subjects.

Bi-location (as I know it) is experiencing two locations at the same time, (or variations of direct experience, i.e. sensation alone at times). With "remote viewing", (the way i see this) is when one can "visualize" or receive a vision of a location (not unlike skrying), yet the experience is not fully experienced as if being actually "present". This is simply how I have experienced it, and came to define both idea, yet some may remote view and "be fully there". Either way, it involves "projecting" (if you will) an aspect of this astral body to the desired location and feed it back.

[manofsands]

Wow. This thread is becoming more 'fruitful' than I was expecting! Great! Thanks for all who are contributing and keep adding. This is great stuff.

My definition of bi-location is where one creates a double in another location they travel too. I don't know if this is what Rose was referring to exactly, but as she put, I (now) would assume the other body is created etherically.

Remote viewing to me is probably the same as scrying. I haven't scryed, so I don't know. But in my framework it is projecting while still physically aware of.. well, the physical. It's more like sending out a remote eye. Pardon the analogy, but like a drone.

[Lord Ferocia]

Wow. This thread is becoming more 'fruitful' than I was expecting! Great! Thanks for all who are contributing and keep adding. This is great stuff.

It's an interesting subject, and I think is really one of the major subjects people want to know about or think about when they think about "magic" in general. Let's not forget about the NDE, which is basically astral projection, that usually involves both the "etheric" (as RoseRed mentioned), and the astral and higher realms we are discussing as well. The near death experience often reported then is a great example of the distinction between these types of realms, one being more physical in nature (although looks can be deceiving!), and the more malleable and dreamy astral world.

My definition of bi-location is where one creates a double in another location they travel too. I don't know if this is what Rose was referring to exactly, but as she put, I (now) would assume the other body is created etherically.

This double may or may not be present. Although, I agree that both can be called bi-location, and experienced the same way (I have never experienced it directly myself). However, I do know one can send out and be perceived by others and (usually without being aware within it however). Either way, yes the body would most definitely be either astral or etheric, and not physical.

Remote viewing to me is probably the same as scrying. I haven't scryed, so I don't know. But in my framework it is projecting while still physically aware of.. well, the physical. It's more like sending out a remote eye. Pardon the analogy, but like a drone.

Yes, I agree.

[Desecrated]

Is projection an innate gift or did you have to train yourself?

Like doing handstands. Some seems to be able to do it without training and from an early age. Others have to train.
Some might be able to do it for a couple of seconds naturally but needs to train to be able to do it for minutes.
Some people will do a handstand, switch to a left hand stand, do a twirl and end with a backflip.

Is there an initiation that aids in projection?

It kinda works like this.
You use different techniques to get there, but it will only get you close.
If you try and meditate on it, or force yourself there; you'll only get close but never actually go over the edge.
And just like everything else in magick, when you forget about it, do something else and then one day while doing the dishes, boom, astral projection.
Which usually scares the hell out of you, knocks you back to reality with force and then you spend the next 2 months trying to figure out what how the fuck you did it.

Can other travelers help you 'out'?

Not really. People will try to help you, but often it doesn't make any sense, until you passed over, and then you understand what the heck they where talking about.
It's an personal experience, how do you fully explain something like that to someone else.

What is your preferred method of projection?

Meditation.

Is your vision clear or fuzzy?

Is your memory fuzzy or clear?
It's not really vision in the sense of seeing. It's more like a dream or a memory that you experience. But you are aware that you are experiencing it and can somewhat choose your direction. Somewhat.

Do you feel you have a astral body, are a point of consciousness or that you are remotely viewing it from inside your physical body?

For me all physical 'feel' disappeared. But I was aware that I didn't fell it.
And I was strongly aware of it. Like, holy shit, I can''t feel the floor, so I reached out for it, but there was nothing there.
Nothing.
Which is a weird experience because our physical body always exist in a physical world.
When you are swimming you don't feel the bottom of the pool, but you feel the water. If your skydiving you don't feel the ground, but you feel the wind.

Do you have any problems with recall?

No

Any methods to aid in recall?

Write it down

How do you differentiate between the various layers of the astral?

How do you differentiate between the different layers of being happy?

Is there a landscape, cities, society?... or are all there wanderers?

It is what you expect it to be.

Are dreamers part of the larger astral or do they have their own personal space?

Both.

Are encounters common? Are there beings that consider it home?

What you see is part of you. Not always 'all' you. but at least 'part' you.

[manofsands]

Thanx for your post Desecrated. Its nice to see the slight differences in peoples experiences. It seems a fairly agreed on statement that what people expect can have a big affect on what is experienced. By seeing what is different in these experiences we also by default start defining what is similar.

BTW my statement...

My definition of bi-location is where one creates a double in another location they travel too. I don't know if this is what Rose was referring to exactly, but as she put, I (now) would assume the other body is created etherically.

... I wanted to clarify more. By 'creating a double' I didn't mean just a vehicle of perception but the phenomena of a vehicle that is perceived by others in the traveled to location.

[RoseRed]

Wow! There's a lot of posts since I wrote mine. Instead of reading all the way thru them first I'm just going to start at the top and work my way down.

manofsands This is just in reference to projecting on the physical plane, and/or 'rising' to the astral, and/or rising to another level...

BTW... What are some other named destinations from here?

This goes back to bi-locating where you send your Spirit or energetic body through the etheral into another place on the physical plane..

Other named destinations? It's not exactly like that have a sign hanging over the gate that says "You are now entering _____________. Population 144,000"

Nahemah I don't get the term 'remote viewing'.It's a strange concept to me.

I can send out part of my consciousness while retaining awareness in my own self.I usually do so through trance work when awake.Here in Northern Europe we call it bi location and it's a very old tradition among Celt and Norse folks.I am a Spaewife to trade and this ability is considered something that travels down through family bloodlines.

Remote viewing is a form of bi-location. Instead of sending enough of yourself for others in that other place to see you - you send enough of yourself simply to see what's going on in another location.

I did not know that was a bloodline thing.

Hmm...well there are various 'skies' and I also know where I am by the qualities and depth of light and darkness around me.The places of the dead have no stars and transition points between places/planes are of the gloaming [other folk may call the gloaming the pre dawn and post dusk light stages of day and night,for instance: no moon or sun,if 'outdoors' and so on.]

Is there a landscape, cities, society?... or are all there wanderers?

Landscapes,dreamscapes,wild places and dwelling places, grey or dark,brightly coloured and also blinding lightish places,all sorts really,wanderers and fixed points.

The way you've described the lighting and knowing where you are by is is also dead on accurate for me as well.

Do you see the landscapes and dwelling places as part of the astral itself or the constructs that have been made and live there?

manofsands I'm also wondering about the mentioned differences between ethereal and astral are in more detail and how folks here view these differences,in more detail.

I bilocate frequently as mentioned in my last post,it takes me to various places,some of which are past others are in the now and yet others,are well...other.I'm now very curious about other perspectives. [thumbup]

I don't really know how much more detail I can give. Perhaps an example would better explain it. If I wanted to remote view you in your living room I would send out only so much of myself and you probably wouldn't know I was there because camouflage. If I were to pop in on your and fully bi-locate to your living room you would have no doubt that I was standing there. How you see or feel me is dependent upon your own gives of sight and vision.

If I wanted to see what magical things you've been up to I would travel into the astral and follow the strands from you to wherever they go and read the energy manipulations to see what you've got going on.

LF Yes, the term "remote viewing" was actually (if I am correct) coined outside the occult field. The technique was being examined by a small experimental faction within the government, and it was here that they called the phenomena remote viewing. However, as we all know, this is simply another word for skrying. I should add that remote viewing is usually used in terms of physical locations, as opposed to astral or otherwise. This is how I use the term myself. Visions, and skrying are used to describe higher plane work, and remote viewing relates to more physical subjects.

I've heard of several different governments that have had their own remote viewing experiments. Russia was big on it for a while.

While I can see how your use of the term scrying can apply here that's not how I use the word. Scrying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrying to me, doesn't involve traveling or projecting. It's letting the visions come to you. Bi-locating is where you go to see what there is to see. I'm not arguing - I'm just clarifying the difference in the use of words here.

manofsands My definition of bi-location is where one creates a double in another location they travel too. I don't know if this is what Rose was referring to exactly, but as she put, I (now) would assume the other body is created etherically

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You're not creating a double - you're sending out part of yourself and that's what people see. It's not created in the ethereal because it's already lives in the ethereal. You're just sending it out on a road trip.

manofsands Remote viewing to me is probably the same as scrying. I haven't scryed, so I don't know. But in my framework it is projecting while still physically aware of.. well, the physical. It's more like sending out a remote eye. Pardon the analogy, but like a drone.

As I said above - I see the two words differently and I can only reply for myself. You don't need to retain enough awareness to be physically present to remote view. That can be some hard work that takes all your attention to achieve. No, not like a drone - more like Sauron. The eye that can pick a location and look at it.

LF Let's not forget about the NDE, which is basically astral projection, that usually involves both the "etheric" (as RoseRed mentioned), and the astral and higher realms we are discussing as well. The near death experience often reported then is a great example of the distinction between these types of realms, one being more physical in nature (although looks can be deceiving!), and the more malleable and dreamy astral world.

I've had one of these. It did begin in the etheric and I could perfectly see myself laying there. When I was brought back I accurately described things. I skipped right over the astral and went to one of the higher realms. It was not malleable or dreamy. It was as dead on real as walking into a brick wall. They say that your hearing is the last thing to go and that was my experience. The longer you're gone the more difficult it is to get back.

Desecrated And just like everything else in magick, when you forget about it, do something else and then one day while doing the dishes, boom, astral projection.
Which usually scares the hell out of you, knocks you back to reality with force and then you spend the next 2 months trying to figure out what how the fuck you did it

yup, LOL

Are encounters common? Are there beings that consider it home?

What you see is part of you. Not always 'all' you. but at least 'part' you.

I disagree. The astral is open to anyone that can travel - human or other. If it's a visualization exercise then yeah, it's all you. If you're actually there - it can be a busy place depending on where you are.

[Nahemah]

Gah,just lost my post.Should have hit save,but submitted and it has timed out.Headslap.

I'll try again shortly.

[RoseRed]

Oh, I hate when that happens.

[manofsands]

Gah,just lost my post.Should have hit save,but submitted and it has timed out.Headslap.

I'll try again shortly.

That happens t me a lot. [crymore] I had one post I rewrote multiple times and lost. I eventually wrote it on a notenpad and copied it over. [tongue2]

[Asurendra]

One of the best fruits from the Remote Viewing experiments is this work by Russell Targ which I highly recommend:

http://www.amazon.com/Reality-ESP-Physi ... l+targ+esp