What to do with the Goetic sigil afterwards?

[FreedomFight]

I have done a couple of evocations in the past.
I just remembered that I have kept the Goetic sigils of the spirits I evoked lying around somewhere (inside a book actually).

What should someone do with a sigil after the evocation results (successful or not)?
Should it be kept somewhere specifically or does it have to be destroyed/burnt?

[Sypheara]

Depends entirely on the work and spirit in question.

If you keep it, keep it wrapped individually in consecrated silk. This will allow further work with sigil at later datw. You can roll it up in a scroll and tie it with cord.

If you feel the working is one time or the sigil is one use, or otherwise -used up- take it to an isolated crossroads and burn it, leaving a few small coins as offering to the crossroad spirits before you leave without looking back.

[cyberdemon]

I let any sigils I use go into the mess that is my work desk. If path dictates, I'll find them again.

[FreedomFight]

Isn't burning the sigil supposed to hurt the spirit ?

[cyberdemon]

Isn't burning the sigil supposed to hurt the spirit ?

Not "hurt" in every occasion. It depends on what you believe it will do. You can empower a thought form by burning just as much as you can weaken it doing the same. It's all in your intent.

[FreedomFight]

So during the evocation I can always threaten/punish the spirit by burning the sigil (or acting as if I will burn it), but after the end results I can still burn the sigil with the intent of saying "thank you, we're done, bye bye"?

If I ever want to work again with the same spirit I can make a new sigil?

[cyberdemon]

So during the evocation I can always threaten/punish the spirit by burning the sigil (or acting as if I will burn it), but after the end results I can still burn the sigil with the intent of saying "thank you, we're done, bye bye"?

If I ever want to work again with the same spirit I can make a new sigil?

Not really, no. If you threaten your boss at work to burn his hair, he'll humiliate you, fire you, and not send your remaining due pay.

Seems like you'll also need to learn the difference between evocation and invocation. Evocations are scary, and with an attitude like that you almost certainly be blowing your pants up in that event.

Your boss won't hire you again either.

[FreedomFight]

I thought that during evocation the boss is me, not the other way around... That's not me talking, it is just what most of the books I've read say about the subject.

Anyway there are people out there that are threatening to burn sigils (at least that's what they say) so I'm wondering how is this possible. Can someone burn a sigil with the intent of "punishing" a spirit, but can also burn it with the (different) intent of saying "thanks, bye bye"?

[cyberdemon]

I thought that during evocation the boss is me, not the other way around... That's not me talking, it is just what most of the books I've read say about the subject.

Anyway there are people out there that are threatening to burn sigils (at least that's what they say) so I'm wondering how is this possible. Can someone burn a sigil with the intent of "punishing" a spirit, but can also burn it with the (different) intent of saying "thanks, bye bye"?

Sure, sometimes that kind of attitude will get you results but in the long run, at least Equivalent Exchange will utterly destroy something of equal value - not to mention spirits and demons have their own personalities and if they begin to dislike you, you can't really stop them from exacting revenge.

As for burning .. With the right intent, yes. You must remember what intent is, though. It's an inner belief system, not just a few words. You have to mean what you say, or when you're invoking/evoking you might even end up falling prey to lesser demons simply impersonating who you're actually trying to contact, lead you into a false sense of security, then play with you like you're a toy.

Honestly, you think any being with higher dimensional perceptive capabilities think of you as any more than a fish trying to comprehend a human's life on land?

[Sypheara]

Burning a sigil neutralises that sigils power yes as it disperses it. It from my own experience, does no harm to the spirit in question if you are working with a goetic entity or chthonic daemon. The sigil is not a vessel, it is a conduit, a doorway.

Threatening these entities is a stupid act, done by stupid magickians. It is a practice which will only end up causing you harm in the long run - these entities have long memories, and you have to die one day. TIme is on their side, not yours.

That doesn't mean to not treat them firmly, especially if not coming from a protected tradition, but it must also be done fairly and is give and take from both sides. No sides are the 'master'. Treat it as a discourse, with the evocation being the means of communication.

You will get far more out of that than pointless chain rattling - the grimoires require a deeper understanding of western mysticism to get the most benefit out of them and understand alot of the veiled meanings throughout the text.

[FreedomFight]

Thanks, I'll keep your advices in mind.
I don't know if it's true that the spirits someone has evoked during his lifetime will wait around the corner after his death, but the idea sounds scary....

[digigeek19]

My very first attempt evoking a Goetic demon, I had more or less only quoted the lesser key of Solomon. Most likely due to this, and the fact that I was rushing the ritual because of mosquitoes, It did not go as intended. Half-way through the "first conjuration" My body began to heat up and I began to feel very nauseous to the point I couldn't stand it any more. I Immediately stopped, gave the license to depart, and performed the LBRP Even afterwards I was so sick I couldn't eat all week, and I have a feeling tying to evoke Aim now would be a very bad idea.

The point of this story is 3-fold. First, never EVER rush an evocation ritual; or any ritual for that matter. Second, While the forceful approach the key of Solomon takes does work, any deity or spirit you try to call will resent you for it. And lastly, while it is true that you should learn from your mistakes, It is much more wise to learn from the mistakes of others.

Previously only Ramscha knew of my stupidity, and even he didn't know about this little stunt, but If I can teach someone else from my failings, I feel no shame in letting my ignorance be known!

As for what to do with your used sigils, I tend to keep them in a special box, but it really is up to you.

[Sypheara]

My very first attempt evoking a Goetic demon, I had more or less only quoted the lesser key of Solomon. Most likely due to this, and the fact that I was rushing the ritual because of mosquitoes, It did not go as intended. Half-way through the "first conjuration" My body began to heat up and I began to feel very nauseous to the point I couldn't stand it any more. I Immediately stopped, gave the license to depart, and performed the LBRP Even afterwards I was so sick I couldn't eat all week, and I have a feeling tying to evoke Aim now would be a very bad idea.

The point of this story is 3-fold. First, never EVER rush an evocation ritual; or any ritual for that matter. Second, While the forceful approach the key of Solomon takes does work, any deity or spirit you try to call will resent you for it. And lastly, while it is true that you should learn from your mistakes, It is much more wise to learn from the mistakes of others.

Previously only Ramscha knew of my stupidity, and even he didn't know about this little stunt, but If I can teach someone else from my failings, I feel no shame in letting my ignorance be known!

As for what to do with your used sigils, I tend to keep them in a special box, but it really is up to you.

Glad we could help, would just like to raise something in this post that's useful.

Yes if you wish to use the sigils again, you can keep them wrapped up in either black silk, or a special box. I usually wrap mine into scrolls for practicalities and tie them.

When you want to use them again, you can take them out and reactivate them according to the tradition you are working within.