a question about the voices inside our mind

[NaturalDude]

Greetings,

I would like to ask you what do you think about hearing voices?

For example, I can sit and ask myself: "who is inside?", and there might come up a voice, sometimes it might say it is an angel, sometimes just a spirit inside, sometimes even God, sometimes a demon.. And this voice seems like it is different than my normal self, like a different personality, it could be wiser, with a deeper voice, etc. I can also talk to my body and it has a voice. Sometimes this voice can even move my body, like an outside force guiding me in my movements or actions. Sometimes the voice can tell me things about the future, but mostly they are not true.

Of course, a psychiatrist would say these are symptoms of mental illness =] , but I also see it as something mystical and natural. What are these? Are these voices of any benefit at all?

[Desecrated]

No, that's actually textbook schizophrenia. You really should look into getting professional help.

[Daud]

Yes, i mean no offence, but that does sound like Schizophrenia or psychosis. Although i am obviously unfit to make a medical diagnosis, i will advise you that mental illness and the occult don't mix well. Desecrated is right, you should ensure you are of sound mind before you continue to practice.

Blessings.

[CCoburn]

i will advise you that mental illness and the occult don't mix well.

I don't agree with this. Alot of the time "mental ilness" is just some ignorant
label given to someone who has a gift.

It is human nature to shun that which is different, or not understood.

Anyways, my GF used to be schizophrenic, or so it was called.
She is fine now, and makes a pretty good receiver, and observer
of phenomena generated by my occult practice, or even just paranormal
activity in general.

Regards

[Kami]

Greetings,

I would like to ask you what do you think about hearing voices?

For example, I can sit and ask myself: "who is inside?", and there might come up a voice, sometimes it might say it is an angel, sometimes just a spirit inside, sometimes even God, sometimes a demon.. And this voice seems like it is different than my normal self, like a different personality, it could be wiser, with a deeper voice, etc. I can also talk to my body and it has a voice. Sometimes this voice can even move my body, like an outside force guiding me in my movements or actions. Sometimes the voice can tell me things about the future, but mostly they are not true.

Of course, a psychiatrist would say these are symptoms of mental illness =] , but I also see it as something mystical and natural. What are these? Are these voices of any benefit at all?

May I ask you something?

Do you literally hear the voices as if someone were speaking into your ears?

Or...

Do you hear the voices in your head as regularly as anyone else here, as in: mental voice?

I know that right before I sleep sometimes I notice that I can hear my thoughts as though they were external of me. They sounded so loud and so real.

I tried inducing schizophrenia one time, in attempt to see and hear the astral realm. But all I got out of that was a bunch of mumbling that I couldn't make out, and I saw so much different sized shadows moving around.

Anyways, If you do actually hear your thoughts as if they were external of you - as if someone were speaking to you, I'd have a little fun with that!

Make one of your voices sound hilarious. x)

Also, test the voices, ask them what is in the next room or who's outside, who's coming, e.t.c. - A real spirit will be able to answer all these questions, but your unconscious utilizing your subconscious will not be able too unless you're already psychic.

Don't worry about the voices, if you can hear them aloud - just learn to silence them through meditation.

But if things get out of hand, don't feel ashamed to seek (&) receive help. ~

[Daud]

i will advise you that mental illness and the occult don't mix well.

I don't agree with this. Alot of the time "mental ilness" is just some ignorant
label given to someone who has a gift.

It is human nature to shun that which is different, or not

While this is true, it's important to realize that Schizophrenia is a real illness and if someone does have it, it would not be good for them to practice Magick. We have a responsibility to point that out. My uncle is Schizophrenic and his illness is in no way a gift. It has degenerated him to the point of a lunatic who believes he is on a mission from the devil to defeat the homosexual God, who's name is actually Ged. While OP may not be at that point it is a degenerative illness that can get worse over time, and I'd hate to see my uncle practicing the occult.

Regards

[CCoburn]

While this is true, it's important to realize that Schizophrenia is a real illness and if someone does have it, it would not be good for them to practice Magick. We have a responsibility to point that out. My uncle is Schizophrenic and his illness is in no way a gift. It has degenerated him to the point of a lunatic who believes he is on a mission from the devil to defeat the homosexual God, who's name is actually Ged. While OP may not be at that point it is a degenerative illness that can get worse over time, and I'd hate to see my uncle practicing the occult.

Yes.

I realize there are cases of mental illness that exhibit
severe catatonia, and detrimental behaviour.

It would be unethical to subject this kind to Occult Activity,
Using them as sensitives, observers, recievers or whatever.

Although, most schizophrenics I have known are moderately efficient
with daily activities. Egregious behaviour not evident. Some were borderline
perhaps.

So in some cases it would be exceptable and some not.

I just wanted to share one alternative scenario to lumping all mentally ill
together as being unfit for the Occult, where this is not true.

Hence my displeasure with the blanket statement "mentally ill".
Which in some case is downright offensive. To me anyways.

So we have a couple of valid angles here.

The humor was a nice touch, although it maybe wasn't to be taken that way.
So I apologize.

Regards

[Daud]

No need to apologize, what you said was perfectly valid. Like everything in existence, nothing is inherent so there are many different approaches to such issues. It's good that OP and any other onlookers get both sides of the story. I'm sorry if I came off as confrontational.

[Desecrated]

I just wanted to share one alternative scenario to lumping all mentally ill
together as being unfit for the Occult, where this is not true.

There are always going to be exception to the rule, But in general it's not a good idea to combine mental ill with the occult.
All forms of occult training puts severe stress on the mind and body, even things like meditation can bring up some pretty nasty sides of your personality to the surface.
Generally we don't recommend practicing magic if you have a cold or is otherwise sick because it can worsen the disease. The same goes for mental diseases.

Magic by modern definitions is "unreal" and it is very easy to fall into traps along the way. More then one "sane" practitioner has ended up "insane" after going too far. We've had several members on this site that has gone off the deep end. One person even thought she was a reincarnated God, and that the USA government was trying to use UFOs to kidnap her.
So imagine what it can do to someone who is already suffering from delusions and/or paranoia.

We also know that spirits, astral parasites and demons are attracted to negative energy, and some people who are suffering from anxiety or phobias can put out an enormous amount of negative energy. Telling them to attempt astral projection (that is already dangerous) is just irresponsible.
Not to mention invocation and evocation.

This is not being judgemental of mental illness or saying that it is impossible. But most likely you wouldn't tell somebody in a wheelchair to get involved in long distance running.

[WillowDarkWytch]

Motumbá

I'll leave this here...

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/08/22/s ... -hospital/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... 6a0f296d48

I believe that SOLITARY occult with mental illness is NOT good. Though, Occult and Spirituality, with guidance and real initiatory system is something else. Western thought typically just jumps to conclusions, rush conclusions.

I'm a therapist, I've worked with cases as such. It's amazing what one can achieve with energetic work and spiritualism.

Saravá
Idansinají

[Retinoid]

Greetings,

I would like to ask you what do you think about hearing voices?

For example, I can sit and ask myself: "who is inside?", and there might come up a voice, sometimes it might say it is an angel, sometimes just a spirit inside, sometimes even God, sometimes a demon.. And this voice seems like it is different than my normal self, like a different personality, it could be wiser, with a deeper voice, etc. I can also talk to my body and it has a voice. Sometimes this voice can even move my body, like an outside force guiding me in my movements or actions. Sometimes the voice can tell me things about the future, but mostly they are not true.

Of course, a psychiatrist would say these are symptoms of mental illness =] , but I also see it as something mystical and natural. What are these? Are these voices of any benefit at all?

So almost anytime you hear a voice or vast videos of images scrolling through your mind (and we all hear voices in our head lol) it is your analyzing part of your mind. For example, you may sense something is near you or trying to make contact (intuition) and then you ask 'who are you?' your mind, which needs an answer to everything says, 'God', 'John Smith', 'Paimon'.

Your intuition or spirits will RARELY come through the filter that is your analyzing mind. It is like playing that game telephone with 100 people, the message will eventually be lost or different so they do not go through that way even for highly adept and spiritual people because our mind will still be a filter no matter what.

Your intuition or spirits speak through 'feelings' most notably in places on your body or energy field, not your head and pictures that flash or even with seeing something with your eyes such as a tree or bird flying and having a flash of realization.

[chowderpope]

I think schizophrenics are prone to "magickal thought" wherein ordinary things can easily take on deeper, mystical meaning. I've heard voices and had scary delusions about the devil myself while on drugs, and I can't imagine how scary that would be if I had it all the time.

Personally I wouldn't recommend nurturing the voices, because if you talk with them and feed them attention, I believe they can actually grow to become more prominent and powerful. I've read of many cases where voices begin as friendly and quickly turn to torture the person hearing them.

IF you smoke weed, I urge you to stop. Even if it's just temporary. I've found that marijuana is like fuel for this kind of thing and most professionals recommend that schizophrenics do not smoke because it exacerbates the symptoms.

Granted, you MAY NOT be schizophrenic as that is highly misdiagnosed to anyone who hears voices. If you're ONLY hearing voices and not having weird delusions about satan reading your mind via a satellite on the moon, you may not have full blown schizophrenia, so that is something to be glad about.

I know if I were hearing voices like that, I would be very concerned because they can quickly turn nasty. Don't mean to scare you but I wouldn't take it lightly.

[Little Pencil Theif]

Just to address the other posts:

No, it isn't quite common. A few occultists will hear something, generally when they are trying to contact beings and such things, but not so much outside of this. It is all in context, and after the ritual we come back to a state of 'realness' and 'grounding'.

And to address the previous answers and give my own view:

If you can do this at will, daily, if it is always there, it may be wise to get yourself checked for mental illness, just in case. It doesn't mean you are schizophrenic. Not all with schizophrenia hear voices, plus it can happen with bipolar disorder and depression and things too. Lots of folks start out with a benign and kind voice, actually. The main thing is that the longer it goes on, the more 'symptoms' folks generally wind up having - and it might be better to know early rather than later. I suggest this even more if you are in your late teens to late 20's as that is when most of these things develop (average is younger for males and older for females). This doesn't mean that you'll have to go on medication nor stop with occultism. Occult practices aren't any more dangerous than 'traditional' religions in that sense - and might actually be helpful in some cases. Having treatment helps keep life in balance. It doesn't even mean you must go on medication, but it would give you some knowledge so that you can track things and know what to look out for if it begins to be problematic.