Original post: Arckangel
"You should not meditate or contemplate on death unless you want to die which is not a good idea. If you really, really don't want to die you won't die. Death is just a mistake that humanity has embraced but in the Golden Age that is going to come we will come to know that there is no need to die."
I understand Datta's viewpoint. People are conditionned to think they're gonna die. Thinking that way, they're telling all the cells in their body they're gonna die.
Honestly believing you're to live forever is a somewhat delicate task.
Do you think there's any truth in what he said? I like that guy. Very open-minded.
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Original post: corbin_israfael
This brings to mind the words of Sri Krishna from the Bhagavad Gita:
"Lord Shri Krishna said:
Why grieve for those for whom no grief is due, and yet profess
wisdom? The wise grieve neither for the dead nor the living.
There was never a time when I was not, nor thou, nor these princes were not; there will
never be a time when we shall cease to be.As the soul experiences in this body infancy, youth and old age, so finally it passes into another. The wise have no delusion about this. Those external relations which bring cold and heat, pain and happiness, they come and
go; they are not permanent. Endure them bravely, O Prince!The hero whose soul is unmoved by circumstance, who accepts pleasure and pain withequanimity, only he is fit for immortality.That which is not, shall never be; that which is, shall never cease to be. To the wise, these truths are self-evident.The Spirit, which pervades all that we see, is imperishable. Nothing can destroy the Spirit.The material bodies which this Eternal, Indestructible, Immeasurable Spirit inhabits are all finite. Therefore fight, O Valiant Man!He who thinks that the Spirit kills, and he who thinks of It as killed, are both ignorant. The Spirit kills not, nor is It killed.It was not born; It will never die, nor once having been, can It cease to be. Unborn, Eternal,Ever-enduring, yet Most Ancient, the Spirit dies not when the body is dead.He who knows the Spirit as Indestructible, Immortal, Unborn, Always-the-Same, how should he kill or cause to be killed? As a man discards his threadbare robes and puts on new, so the Spirit throws off Its worn-out bodies and takes fresh ones.Weapons cleave It not, fire burns It not, water drenches It not, and wind dries It not.It is impenetrable; It can be neither drowned nor scorched nor dried. It is Eternal, All-pervading, Unchanging, Immovable and Most Ancient.It is named the Unmanifest, the Unthinkable, the immutable. Wherefore, knowing the Spirit as such, thou hast no cause to grieve.Even if thou thinkest of It as constantly being born, constantly dying, even then, O Mighty Man, thou still hast no cause to grieve.For death is as sure for that which is born, as birth is for that which is dead. Therefore grieve not for what is inevitable.The end and the beginning of beings are unknown. We see only the intervening formations. Then what cause is there for grief?"
This brings to mind the words of Sri Krishna from the Bhagavad Gita:
"Lord Shri Krishna said:
Why grieve for those for whom no grief is due, and yet profess
wisdom? The wise grieve neither for the dead nor the living.
There was never a time when I was not, nor thou, nor these princes were not; there will
never be a time when we shall cease to be.As the soul experiences in this body infancy, youth and old age, so finally it passes into another. The wise have no delusion about this. Those external relations which bring cold and heat, pain and happiness, they come and
go; they are not permanent. Endure them bravely, O Prince!The hero whose soul is unmoved by circumstance, who accepts pleasure and pain withequanimity, only he is fit for immortality.That which is not, shall never be; that which is, shall never cease to be. To the wise, these truths are self-evident.The Spirit, which pervades all that we see, is imperishable. Nothing can destroy the Spirit.The material bodies which this Eternal, Indestructible, Immeasurable Spirit inhabits are all finite. Therefore fight, O Valiant Man!He who thinks that the Spirit kills, and he who thinks of It as killed, are both ignorant. The Spirit kills not, nor is It killed.It was not born; It will never die, nor once having been, can It cease to be. Unborn, Eternal,Ever-enduring, yet Most Ancient, the Spirit dies not when the body is dead.He who knows the Spirit as Indestructible, Immortal, Unborn, Always-the-Same, how should he kill or cause to be killed? As a man discards his threadbare robes and puts on new, so the Spirit throws off Its worn-out bodies and takes fresh ones.Weapons cleave It not, fire burns It not, water drenches It not, and wind dries It not.It is impenetrable; It can be neither drowned nor scorched nor dried. It is Eternal, All-pervading, Unchanging, Immovable and Most Ancient.It is named the Unmanifest, the Unthinkable, the immutable. Wherefore, knowing the Spirit as such, thou hast no cause to grieve.Even if thou thinkest of It as constantly being born, constantly dying, even then, O Mighty Man, thou still hast no cause to grieve.For death is as sure for that which is born, as birth is for that which is dead. Therefore grieve not for what is inevitable.The end and the beginning of beings are unknown. We see only the intervening formations. Then what cause is there for grief?"
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Original post: Draginvry
[QUOTE=Arckangel;348103]
Do you think there's any truth in what he said?[/QUOTE]
I believe that the body is meant to live forever. The body knows only how to live. People know how to die.
Death is a state of mind. It was invented as a form of humiliation, so that one entity may have power over the other. As long as one believes in death, one will most certainly die. The only way to surpass it is to understand what it is, and why it was created.
Death is a form of hypnosis, as is disease. Long ago people were convinced by others that death and disease were necessary. These ideas became so strong that they were imprinted into genetic memory.
It continues to this day. The idea of "incurable disease" is so strong that the FDA won't even allow people to claim cures for disease, regardless of how much evidence they have for their healing methods.
[QUOTE=Arckangel;348103]
Do you think there's any truth in what he said?[/QUOTE]
I believe that the body is meant to live forever. The body knows only how to live. People know how to die.
Death is a state of mind. It was invented as a form of humiliation, so that one entity may have power over the other. As long as one believes in death, one will most certainly die. The only way to surpass it is to understand what it is, and why it was created.
Death is a form of hypnosis, as is disease. Long ago people were convinced by others that death and disease were necessary. These ideas became so strong that they were imprinted into genetic memory.
It continues to this day. The idea of "incurable disease" is so strong that the FDA won't even allow people to claim cures for disease, regardless of how much evidence they have for their healing methods.
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Original post: Centrix
Reality has a different version. "If you really, really don't want to die you will still be as dead as a doornail."
"If you really, really don't want to die you won't die."
Reality has a different version. "If you really, really don't want to die you will still be as dead as a doornail."
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Original post: Centrix
Draginvry, death and disease are not hypnotic states controlled by the mind.
Death is total biological destruction where memory is impossible to recover. Aging is a biological disease that most commonly leads to death. The mental is dependent upon the biological machinary so "you" (the mental personalities) will be shit out of luck when your biology breaks down and stops functioning. No use in wishing it otherwise.
Draginvry, death and disease are not hypnotic states controlled by the mind.
Death is total biological destruction where memory is impossible to recover. Aging is a biological disease that most commonly leads to death. The mental is dependent upon the biological machinary so "you" (the mental personalities) will be shit out of luck when your biology breaks down and stops functioning. No use in wishing it otherwise.
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Original post: Rin Daemoko
Death is an illusion.
Meditating on death and impermanence leads to this realization. Avoiding this meditation brings only ignorance. How can you understand a topic if you never think about it?
Death is an illusion.
Meditating on death and impermanence leads to this realization. Avoiding this meditation brings only ignorance. How can you understand a topic if you never think about it?
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Original post: dr. ski wampas
Yeah, that's gotta be some of the biggest BS I've heard since that one guy made all those threads about this same subject in the reason forum.
Humiliation devised by entities? Jeeze louise! I was under the impression that all consciousness shared the same source and that existence on this level was dependent on conditions of the ego and that the whole point of the life/death thing was to loose that identity and merge again with that consciousness... Anything existing on an astral level proceeds from the same source and exists under different circumstances and dying and passing through or experiencing that is just another step on the ladder back to the beginning. Like the snake eating its own tail. If you percieve it as a trap from those entities or whatever, than their might be some ego or identity issues you'll have to sort out before that moment. It's not going to not happen because the process itself is a physiological thing that won't ever be worked out in your life time, if it ever is (and it is likely those who persue it won't understand all that mystical stuff about the ego).
I dont understand some of the things people say around here. Just what do people understand about this stuff? Their is a point to all the symbolism and theory and it does not have to be without an understanding of how nature works. That's magick! People are so wrapped up in what they want it to be and you can't explain it to people because the people who aren't digging into the esoteric truths dont have any interest in attainment or transcendance. But that's the point. Thats what makes it magick because its something wonderfully amazing yet graspable. To the magi of old there was no higher purpose or source of wonder.
Everything else is just an understanding distorted by people whose understanding is limited to the conditions or conceptions of modern interpretations that are themselves wrapped up In dellusion.
It's not about what isn't or what could never be for whoever's own vain or mundane yearnings in life. Its about the progression and advancement of what is into its perfect state (beyond this physical). This is very arguabely an imperfect state.
Ever really contemplated that stuff about the city of pyramids? Where you sit until you loose your identity? It's all there.
Yeah, that's gotta be some of the biggest BS I've heard since that one guy made all those threads about this same subject in the reason forum.
Humiliation devised by entities? Jeeze louise! I was under the impression that all consciousness shared the same source and that existence on this level was dependent on conditions of the ego and that the whole point of the life/death thing was to loose that identity and merge again with that consciousness... Anything existing on an astral level proceeds from the same source and exists under different circumstances and dying and passing through or experiencing that is just another step on the ladder back to the beginning. Like the snake eating its own tail. If you percieve it as a trap from those entities or whatever, than their might be some ego or identity issues you'll have to sort out before that moment. It's not going to not happen because the process itself is a physiological thing that won't ever be worked out in your life time, if it ever is (and it is likely those who persue it won't understand all that mystical stuff about the ego).
I dont understand some of the things people say around here. Just what do people understand about this stuff? Their is a point to all the symbolism and theory and it does not have to be without an understanding of how nature works. That's magick! People are so wrapped up in what they want it to be and you can't explain it to people because the people who aren't digging into the esoteric truths dont have any interest in attainment or transcendance. But that's the point. Thats what makes it magick because its something wonderfully amazing yet graspable. To the magi of old there was no higher purpose or source of wonder.
Everything else is just an understanding distorted by people whose understanding is limited to the conditions or conceptions of modern interpretations that are themselves wrapped up In dellusion.
It's not about what isn't or what could never be for whoever's own vain or mundane yearnings in life. Its about the progression and advancement of what is into its perfect state (beyond this physical). This is very arguabely an imperfect state.
Ever really contemplated that stuff about the city of pyramids? Where you sit until you loose your identity? It's all there.
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Original post: Centrix
Alright.
But what makes you dead certain in your conviction that the understanding of mystical experiences by you following other so-called enlightened human beings in the past are not delusions containing a misunderstanding of the destruction of your conscious integrity? You may enjoy the research being done on mystical and enlightenment experiences in relation to brain function.
dr. ski wampas;348173 wrote:Everything else is just an understanding distorted by people whose understanding is limited to the conditions or conceptions of modern interpretations that are themselves wrapped up In dellusion.
Alright.
But what makes you dead certain in your conviction that the understanding of mystical experiences by you following other so-called enlightened human beings in the past are not delusions containing a misunderstanding of the destruction of your conscious integrity? You may enjoy the research being done on mystical and enlightenment experiences in relation to brain function.
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Original post: Draginvry
If you're right and I'm destined to die anyway, then I really have nothing to lose, regardless of what the supposed "truth" about life really is.
Disagree with me if you like. In fact, you should. I wouldn't recommend questing for immortality to anyone who honestly believes death serves a usefull function.
I'd be willing to test my theory against yours.Centrix;348164 wrote:Draginvry, death and disease are not hypnotic states controlled by the mind.
If you're right and I'm destined to die anyway, then I really have nothing to lose, regardless of what the supposed "truth" about life really is.
I never said it was a trap. I just said that it is a game of power.If you percieve it as a trap from those entities or whatever, than their might be some ego or identity issues you'll have to sort out
Disagree with me if you like. In fact, you should. I wouldn't recommend questing for immortality to anyone who honestly believes death serves a usefull function.
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Original post: Centrix
Destiny is not an issue. No matter what you have in mind, you can die this minute, tomorrow, or a year from now. You can get sick from a terminal illness, have an unexpected heart attack, or die in a car crash. And you are aging each day. Those are the realistic probabilities. Denying an event that is happening or can happen does not make it go away. In the near future we will have more options than today about our lifespan and the ability to "cheat death" [really a bad phrase as it creates a picture of death as inevitable and that it must be "cheated" when, just like any disease or sickness, it is not a necessity]. However, it is not a social game nor can it be completely overcome mentally.
Draginvry;348182 wrote:If you're right and I'm destined to die anyway, then I really have nothing to lose, regardless of what the supposed "truth" about life really is.
Destiny is not an issue. No matter what you have in mind, you can die this minute, tomorrow, or a year from now. You can get sick from a terminal illness, have an unexpected heart attack, or die in a car crash. And you are aging each day. Those are the realistic probabilities. Denying an event that is happening or can happen does not make it go away. In the near future we will have more options than today about our lifespan and the ability to "cheat death" [really a bad phrase as it creates a picture of death as inevitable and that it must be "cheated" when, just like any disease or sickness, it is not a necessity]. However, it is not a social game nor can it be completely overcome mentally.
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Original post: JanPeter
After the age of (approximately) 24 your body begins to slowly die. That is why you gain wrinkles, and look "old". Your body is slowly dying. Face the facts!
After the age of (approximately) 24 your body begins to slowly die. That is why you gain wrinkles, and look "old". Your body is slowly dying. Face the facts!
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Original post: IAO131
[QUOTE=Arckangel;348103]"You should not meditate or contemplate on death unless you want to die which is not a good idea. If you really, really don't want to die you won't die. Death is just a mistake that humanity has embraced but in the Golden Age that is going to come we will come to know that there is no need to die."
I understand Datta's viewpoint. People are conditionned to think they're gonna die. Thinking that way, they're telling all the cells in their body they're gonna die.
Honestly believing you're to live forever is a somewhat delicate task.
Do you think there's any truth in what he said? I like that guy. Very open-minded.
Death and Dying are not Inevitable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsmH_lMP91Q
Mantra for Gay Relationships: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lRjGsTUUlQ
Mantra for Straight Relationships & Friendships: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a6lMdYSE-I
Mantra to Extinguish Karma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdZFz95ucLk[/QUOTE]
That is THE most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard.
Ever hear of fetuses dying? Ever heard of death in childbirth? Ever heard of getting hit by a train? Ever heard of fatal diseases?
This would ONLY make sense if he is talking about ego and getting beyond identification with things so that there is nothing left TO die.
BTW flaunting your gayness is just as annoying as someone flaunting their heterosexuality. Why do it? Why have a ridiculous signature like yours?
IAO131
[QUOTE=Arckangel;348103]"You should not meditate or contemplate on death unless you want to die which is not a good idea. If you really, really don't want to die you won't die. Death is just a mistake that humanity has embraced but in the Golden Age that is going to come we will come to know that there is no need to die."
I understand Datta's viewpoint. People are conditionned to think they're gonna die. Thinking that way, they're telling all the cells in their body they're gonna die.
Honestly believing you're to live forever is a somewhat delicate task.
Do you think there's any truth in what he said? I like that guy. Very open-minded.
Death and Dying are not Inevitable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsmH_lMP91Q
Mantra for Gay Relationships: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lRjGsTUUlQ
Mantra for Straight Relationships & Friendships: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a6lMdYSE-I
Mantra to Extinguish Karma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdZFz95ucLk[/QUOTE]
That is THE most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard.
Ever hear of fetuses dying? Ever heard of death in childbirth? Ever heard of getting hit by a train? Ever heard of fatal diseases?
This would ONLY make sense if he is talking about ego and getting beyond identification with things so that there is nothing left TO die.
BTW flaunting your gayness is just as annoying as someone flaunting their heterosexuality. Why do it? Why have a ridiculous signature like yours?
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Original post: Arckangel
Technically speaking, it's just meant to be a yoga pose: Blissful Baby or Ananda Balasana. That's what the author said... :evil:
The secret of immortality was already discovered. Frozen embryos live forever, don't they?
Technically speaking, they are living beings since they have their own set of DNA and gender, skin tone, looks etc. are already determined.
A woman recently turned 115! Science is currently studying immortality.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351781,00.html
http://goldsea.com/804/19parker.html
Technically speaking, it's just meant to be a yoga pose: Blissful Baby or Ananda Balasana. That's what the author said... :evil:
The secret of immortality was already discovered. Frozen embryos live forever, don't they?
Technically speaking, they are living beings since they have their own set of DNA and gender, skin tone, looks etc. are already determined.
A woman recently turned 115! Science is currently studying immortality.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351781,00.html
http://goldsea.com/804/19parker.html
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Original post: dr. ski wampas
[QUOTE=Centrix;348178]Alright.
But what makes you dead certain in your conviction that the understanding of mystical experiences by you following other so-called enlightened human beings in the past are not delusions containing a misunderstanding of the destruction of your conscious integrity? You may enjoy the research being done on mystical and enlightenment experiences in relation to brain function.[/QUOTE]
as a policy I try not to be certain about anything. I speak from experience, and that is all in light of what I've come to understand about consciouseness and reality. I also accept that some stuff we may never know.
If you really read and compare and get into it and experience for yourself it all starts to come together. Their seems to be some universal message that is hidden beneath all the allegory and metaphore and mythology/theology of all the major religions and if you take it all in light of the experiences you have, you start to understand in your own way and you form your own mental scheme based on all that. Magick throughout time was thought to be a synthesis of all this and this is what all those mystery schools and groups were passing on to those who were smart enough to understand that. Even from a psychological stand point this can be seen as a synthesis of anything any eastern school teaches.
Have you ever done acid or dmt? I dunno but after some of those experiences you are left with some impressions. Not because of the drug itself but because you tend to have certain epiphanies about just what all those people meant by this stuff.
This is the second reply I typed up to this because the first one didn't post for some reason. It was better composed and more to my point but this captures the gist of it.
[QUOTE=Centrix;348178]Alright.
But what makes you dead certain in your conviction that the understanding of mystical experiences by you following other so-called enlightened human beings in the past are not delusions containing a misunderstanding of the destruction of your conscious integrity? You may enjoy the research being done on mystical and enlightenment experiences in relation to brain function.[/QUOTE]
as a policy I try not to be certain about anything. I speak from experience, and that is all in light of what I've come to understand about consciouseness and reality. I also accept that some stuff we may never know.
If you really read and compare and get into it and experience for yourself it all starts to come together. Their seems to be some universal message that is hidden beneath all the allegory and metaphore and mythology/theology of all the major religions and if you take it all in light of the experiences you have, you start to understand in your own way and you form your own mental scheme based on all that. Magick throughout time was thought to be a synthesis of all this and this is what all those mystery schools and groups were passing on to those who were smart enough to understand that. Even from a psychological stand point this can be seen as a synthesis of anything any eastern school teaches.
Have you ever done acid or dmt? I dunno but after some of those experiences you are left with some impressions. Not because of the drug itself but because you tend to have certain epiphanies about just what all those people meant by this stuff.
This is the second reply I typed up to this because the first one didn't post for some reason. It was better composed and more to my point but this captures the gist of it.
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Original post: Centrix
Enlightenment and mystical experiences can be replicated by street drugs and brain manipulation in the laboratory. It can also be accomplished through meditation by screwing with the brain's wiring developed for survival. In a way it is evidence against transcendence. And if you can think, "This is only showing mind-brain causality and that is all", you are right but you have no pro-death argument as there is no indication memory and personality (who "you" are) survive death. Neither can we say there is no survival or transcendence after death, but which is the safe bet to follow?
Have you ever done acid or dmt? I dunno but after some of those experiences you are left with some impressions. Not because of the drug itself but because you tend to have certain epiphanies about just what all those people meant by this stuff.
Enlightenment and mystical experiences can be replicated by street drugs and brain manipulation in the laboratory. It can also be accomplished through meditation by screwing with the brain's wiring developed for survival. In a way it is evidence against transcendence. And if you can think, "This is only showing mind-brain causality and that is all", you are right but you have no pro-death argument as there is no indication memory and personality (who "you" are) survive death. Neither can we say there is no survival or transcendence after death, but which is the safe bet to follow?
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Original post: LoD
Ave,
What's the fuss...? The body dies, the mind lives forever. Quite simple and biologically correct (as far as the body is concerned).
However, it does make one think about the biological process of death... would there be a way to halt it? And if so, would you want to?
Heh... makes me think of a saying I always ''cherished''... as soon as you are born, you are dying...
Blessings,
LoD
Ave,
What's the fuss...? The body dies, the mind lives forever. Quite simple and biologically correct (as far as the body is concerned).
However, it does make one think about the biological process of death... would there be a way to halt it? And if so, would you want to?
Heh... makes me think of a saying I always ''cherished''... as soon as you are born, you are dying...
Blessings,
LoD
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Original post: Malamatiyya
The body dies.
The mind dies with it.
Remember children; that Life is Delight, that Death is also Life.
The body dies.
The mind dies with it.
Remember children; that Life is Delight, that Death is also Life.
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Original post: wezzerd
I'm surprised that the lot of you don't believe in the basic dualities that are professed alongside the few books on magick I've read. For you to say that there is no flip side to life is ludicrous. Animals die, babies die, people die. No matter how much you refuse to die, it will happen. If you're so firm in your belief that you won't die, why not prove it to all of us on film? Take a knife and shove it into your heart or throat, I guarantee you don't live.
Now with magic, mind of matter type thinking, I can only say that you might be able to halt your cell's aging process, but at the point you're able to do that, you stop learning and stop being human. You might be able to manipulate your ki/qi/chi/whatever into making your body more durable, but you're still not immortal. Death is simply the opposite of life, just as you are brought into existence, you leave it. It's the **CYCLE** OF LIFE, not the never ending road of life.
I'm surprised that the lot of you don't believe in the basic dualities that are professed alongside the few books on magick I've read. For you to say that there is no flip side to life is ludicrous. Animals die, babies die, people die. No matter how much you refuse to die, it will happen. If you're so firm in your belief that you won't die, why not prove it to all of us on film? Take a knife and shove it into your heart or throat, I guarantee you don't live.
Now with magic, mind of matter type thinking, I can only say that you might be able to halt your cell's aging process, but at the point you're able to do that, you stop learning and stop being human. You might be able to manipulate your ki/qi/chi/whatever into making your body more durable, but you're still not immortal. Death is simply the opposite of life, just as you are brought into existence, you leave it. It's the **CYCLE** OF LIFE, not the never ending road of life.
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Original post: Kath_
taking a break from spamming my own paradigm, in order to support little known philosophical-occult authors...
Franklin Merrell-Wolff suggested that 'consciousness' has a biological/centralized and a nonphysical/noncentralized component both. And that for the most part people rely most heavily on the biological component. And when that component reached a point where it stopped working, the consciousness would be irreparably damaged, due to this reliance.
So he recommended shifting the core components of 'self' to the nonphysical, non-centralized, aspect of consciousness, as a gradual process while still alive. Conceptually it would be sort of like learning to become a right brained person if you're left brained, or vice versa. so that if the formerly favored half of your brain gets chopped off by a machette, you'll still have a functioning consciousness. actually thats kinda a bad analogy, and doesn't do much to support his idea. anyway, I've found his writing interesting.
Kath
taking a break from spamming my own paradigm, in order to support little known philosophical-occult authors...
Franklin Merrell-Wolff suggested that 'consciousness' has a biological/centralized and a nonphysical/noncentralized component both. And that for the most part people rely most heavily on the biological component. And when that component reached a point where it stopped working, the consciousness would be irreparably damaged, due to this reliance.
So he recommended shifting the core components of 'self' to the nonphysical, non-centralized, aspect of consciousness, as a gradual process while still alive. Conceptually it would be sort of like learning to become a right brained person if you're left brained, or vice versa. so that if the formerly favored half of your brain gets chopped off by a machette, you'll still have a functioning consciousness. actually thats kinda a bad analogy, and doesn't do much to support his idea. anyway, I've found his writing interesting.
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Death and Dying are not Inevitable
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[QUOTE=Kath_;348606]taking a break from spamming my own paradigm, in order to support little known philosophical-occult authors...
Franklin Merrell-Wolff suggested that 'consciousness' has a biological/centralized and a nonphysical/noncentralized component both. And that for the most part people rely most heavily on the biological component. And when that component reached a point where it stopped working, the consciousness would be irreparably damaged, due to this reliance.
So he recommended shifting the core components of 'self' to the nonphysical, non-centralized, aspect of consciousness, as a gradual process while still alive. Conceptually it would be sort of like learning to become a right brained person if you're left brained, or vice versa. so that if the formerly favored half of your brain gets chopped off by a machette, you'll still have a functioning consciousness. actually thats kinda a bad analogy, and doesn't do much to support his idea. anyway, I've found his writing interesting.
Kath[/QUOTE]
Care to cite a specific source? I'm interested in following up on that.
[QUOTE=Kath_;348606]taking a break from spamming my own paradigm, in order to support little known philosophical-occult authors...
Franklin Merrell-Wolff suggested that 'consciousness' has a biological/centralized and a nonphysical/noncentralized component both. And that for the most part people rely most heavily on the biological component. And when that component reached a point where it stopped working, the consciousness would be irreparably damaged, due to this reliance.
So he recommended shifting the core components of 'self' to the nonphysical, non-centralized, aspect of consciousness, as a gradual process while still alive. Conceptually it would be sort of like learning to become a right brained person if you're left brained, or vice versa. so that if the formerly favored half of your brain gets chopped off by a machette, you'll still have a functioning consciousness. actually thats kinda a bad analogy, and doesn't do much to support his idea. anyway, I've found his writing interesting.
Kath[/QUOTE]
Care to cite a specific source? I'm interested in following up on that.
Death and Dying are not Inevitable
I agree completely with this. I think aging is an illness and death a evil. Once during our evolution nature found out that long lived organisms which had few children developed more slowly and was weaker in the evolutionary chain than those which lived short lives but reproduced quickly so aging was developed into us. I think it is time it was developed out. I also think that our society is one big death cult. Just post on some forum the desire to life forever and pepole will flame you like crazy, always pepole are contemplating death and dying, accepting their death as fact, off course that will tell the body to die. I also think that if one convince the body to live, it will not age and will not die. Mind over matter. If one think one will live forever, and manage to convince oneself about that, then one will.You should not meditate or contemplate on death unless you want to die which is not a good idea. If you really, really don't want to die you won't die. Death is just a mistake that humanity has embraced but in the Golden Age that is going to come we will come to know that there is no need to die.
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Death and Dying are not Inevitable
ah, heck-a-doodle - I had to pick one, so...umm, at the age of one second or pre-birth...in fact, at the milisecond of conception death begins...why worry? the spirit energy goes forward, and new forms designed..........LOL... currious, the mind of humanity =D PeaceOccultforums.com Archive wrote:Original post: JanPeter
After the age of (approximately) 24 your body begins to slowly die. That is why you gain wrinkles, and look "old". Your body is slowly dying. Face the facts!
The abyss was dank and empty...until I found the hands and warmth of Fire!
Death and Dying are not Inevitable
I think that to just accept death is rather pessimistic. The Spirit go on, fine and well, but I want to preserve the being I am now, this combination of mind, body and soul, this I is what I want to and what I will preserve forever.
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*The universe is full of magical things, patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper--Eden Phillpotts
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Death and Dying are not Inevitable
I think it's the opposite. People say that they're going to die but in reality, they feel that they will never die even though they don't want to admit that because it's ridiculous. That's why when people face death they can't believe it's really happening.
Death and Dying are not Inevitable
I don't think that ignoring things without understanding will just make them go away.
I'd rather say that one should get a better understanding of things before dismissing them as being good or not good for him / her.
Now what exactly is death? Death is the end of individual experiences as we perceive it from our limited beliefs.
If people identify themselves with their thoughts and beliefs, then death is ... inevitable, for what are thoughts and beliefs? Just recorded memories, which have no power of themselves.
Let's assume that tomorrow all your memories are replaced, then you (as the "old one" ) are dead ... new born, or whatever you like to call it. Yet, only the memories changed, you didn't actually die, but for the rational mind it will be just the same thing as dying. It will not have any of the old thoughts or beliefs.
It is said that: when you consciously die this death, you realize there is no death, only the ego dies, so there's nothing to be afraid of, therefor that is what the Death meditation is for.
If you don't do it consciously, then you will follow a default script which runs unconsciously so the outcome is the same: death.
No matter how many times you repeat yourself that you will not die, if your subconscious was programmed like this ... then you have little to no power over it.
Just realize that you were imprinted with the idea of dying for milleniums therefor in a mere 60-70 years (of which you won't repeat that idea more than 1 hour / day)
what chances do you have to reprogram that idea?
From my point of view, all in this universe is just about energy which creates forms and deluding itself that it is those forms. Death of a form is just the return to the original state of the energy ... then a new form will be created. Not sure about this game of creating forms, but for sure is just a game like when someone got bored and started to play hide and seek
I'd rather say that one should get a better understanding of things before dismissing them as being good or not good for him / her.
Now what exactly is death? Death is the end of individual experiences as we perceive it from our limited beliefs.
If people identify themselves with their thoughts and beliefs, then death is ... inevitable, for what are thoughts and beliefs? Just recorded memories, which have no power of themselves.
Let's assume that tomorrow all your memories are replaced, then you (as the "old one" ) are dead ... new born, or whatever you like to call it. Yet, only the memories changed, you didn't actually die, but for the rational mind it will be just the same thing as dying. It will not have any of the old thoughts or beliefs.
It is said that: when you consciously die this death, you realize there is no death, only the ego dies, so there's nothing to be afraid of, therefor that is what the Death meditation is for.
If you don't do it consciously, then you will follow a default script which runs unconsciously so the outcome is the same: death.
No matter how many times you repeat yourself that you will not die, if your subconscious was programmed like this ... then you have little to no power over it.
Just realize that you were imprinted with the idea of dying for milleniums therefor in a mere 60-70 years (of which you won't repeat that idea more than 1 hour / day)
what chances do you have to reprogram that idea?
From my point of view, all in this universe is just about energy which creates forms and deluding itself that it is those forms. Death of a form is just the return to the original state of the energy ... then a new form will be created. Not sure about this game of creating forms, but for sure is just a game like when someone got bored and started to play hide and seek