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I admit this thread is deviating at an increasing rate. But that's what happens when we cease to build and seek rather only to tear apart.
Right...somebody disagrees with you and they are tearing things apart...you disagree with them and you are some poor damn martyr just trying to create something positive...

Get off your personality issues Sinasbin and return to the point...if you have one...

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You're absolutely right. As always...

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Why do so many people approach the ONA belief system slavishly, and then follow every word, every ritual, every rite, by route without question? It doesn't make sense! The true essence of Satanic belief is individualism. The ONA doctrine leaves very little room for the individual to flourish and grow. In fact the ONA has constructed it's entire system around [one man's] idea on how Satanists should approach reality, and how they should respond to said reality. I don't know about you, I myself would question the over-all motives to a system that's runs more like a military organization that a religion. "But to each there own as the saying goes.'

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You're absolutely right. As always...
Poor little neophyte...has big bad m1thr0s upset him?...hehe...

I don't care about that dribble Sinasbin...it's your problem...not mine...
A valid assumption, but still, an assumption nonetheless.
Statements like this really crack me up...obviously you know very little in the way of logic. If an assumption is valid (and sound) it is "true"... that makes it more than a simple assumption at that point...otherwise it would either be invalid or unsound...do you have any formal education of any kind?

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[QUOTE=Sinasbin]Tell that to the history of humanity. Tell that to Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, Adolf Hitler, George Bush, George Washington, George freakin' anybody. Tell that to any serviceman or woman there ever was or ever will be. Of course it's senseless, but by such logic EVERYTHING is senseless! Feel free to establish all the sense you want. This is what the Satanist succeeds in doing. From my understanding thus far, this is where he prevails, in establishing order and sense to his every Intentful act. Killing is happening, and it will continue to happen. There is no dispute.

You're more than welcome to place the burden on my shoulders, if you'd like. Anybody is more than welcome here to say, "It's people like you that will never change that fact!!"

You want some more useless [ad]vice? Since you can't seem to get enough?

Why don't you just close your eyes real tight and wish for all that bad stuff to just disappear.[/QUOTE]You see I have taken human life, many times while in the service. I KNOW FIRST HAND WHAT IT DOES TO THE SOUL OF AN INDIVIDUAL. Do you think for one minute I would be swayed by the words of a wet behind the ear pup! I don't talk crap attempting to make myself look superior to my fellow man. I talk (REALITY). Which it seems, is in rare supply lately! Gods!!! Where the hell do you spoiled little twits come from! Shout all you want from the top of your little soap box until you're blue in the face as far as I care! But don't expect the seasoned vets of this forum to fall for your drivel. What a waste of time and effort on our part! You think you know Satan? Truly. This I highly doubt.

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m1thr0s wrote:Statements like this really crack me up...obviously you know very little in the way of logic. If an assumption is valid (and sound) it is "true"... that makes it more than a simple assumption at that point...otherwise it would either be invalid or unsound...do you have any formal education of any kind?
An assumption based purely on an individual's deduction of logic is, therefore truth? Yes crack is definitely involved here m1thr0s, good show!

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An assumption based purely on an individual's deduction of logic is, therefore truth? Yes crack is definitely involved here m1thr0s, good show!
Man you're thick...what do you think "valid" means genius?

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AJAMetaStasis wrote:You see I have taken human life, many times while in the service.
I have also had the [privledge] of being in the service, AJA, so I can equally testify to witnessing the destructiveness such participation entails. I have taken life as well, as for haunting? Speak for yourself.

I do not claim to know Satan, nor do I assume any of you to. Now naturally that doesn't make it truth, but don't preach to me this veteran status, and expect the throngs to bow down to this. Your words are my basis for retaliation. To be honest I have not ever taken how many 'posts' you have under your name into any consideration, nor would I expect you to assume as much out of me.

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m1thr0s wrote:Man you're thick...what do you think "valid" means genius?
I'm terribly sorry, you're more than welcome to place valid and truth in the same sentence regarding assumption.

One man's assumptions of the world and his peers, all of 'em, rolled into one, yes of course, there's your Truth.
Take all those assumptions and do what you will, for you truly have the clarity of a Seer m1thr0s.

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To be honest I have not ever taken how many 'posts' you have under your name into any consideration, nor would I expect you to assume as much out of me.
Nobody asked you to Sinasbin...nobody cares...what I am still waiting to hear from you is what makes "culling" anything other than murder...because my challenge to you is that you CANNOT make a logical distinction here at all...

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Someones' blowing flowers out his a**............... I wonder who?

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Let me hold your hand some more m1thr0s:

as·sump·tion Audio pronunciation of "Assumption" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-smpshn)
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1. The act of taking to or upon oneself: assumption of an obligation.
2. The act of taking possession or asserting a claim: assumption of command.
3. The act of taking for granted: assumption of a false theory.
4. Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof; a supposition: a valid assumption.
5. Presumption; arrogance.
6. Logic. A minor premise.

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Clearly I am debating with an idiot...
I can only imagine you've turned to this ridiculous little detour because you are incapable of addressing the real issue on the table here...

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AJAMetaStasis wrote:Someones' blowing flowers out his a**............... I wonder who
Very rich.

Let's all believe AJA because he doubted the other guy's experience first.

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Well gentlemen I tire....... so I shall see you later in the day. For now, I gotta' get some shut-eye. Keep up the Spirit! :twisted:

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m1thr0s wrote:Clearly I am debating with an idiot...
I can only imagine you've turned to this ridiculous little detour because you are incapable of addressing the real issue on the table here...

Clearly m1thr0s, clearly...

This thread is being taken care of, I've already sent in a petition to lock it, before we all make even bigger fools out of ourselves.

(yes that includes you too)

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This thread is being taken care of, I've already sent in a petition to lock it, before we all make even bigger fools out of ourselves.
lol...the coward's way out at last...
Words are cheap when they lack conviction...you have certainly demonstrated this at least...

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Whew! That was a successful waste of my time.

The reason for so many f**king deletions is because there was little substance within them. There was a little substance, but not enough to warrant my wasting even more time to wade throught the bullshit. It was a pissing contest that detracted from the original topic, which happens to be a good one.

My suggestion is that the personal attacks on each other over a difference of opinion stop now. If it doesn't, I'll institute my own "Necessary Law of Action".

Now please continue to DISCUSS in an INTELLIGENT fashion.

Now that the nastiness is taken care of, the only two times that killing another human being does not constitute "punishable" murder is when you are literally putting them out of their misery (they WILL die a slow painful death vs. a bullet to the head) or in the case of self defense. Even then, it is still murder. Well, add war to that, but I don't blame soldiers for what they needed to do in order to survive themselves. I don't like it, but they played with the cards they were dealt, so to speak. The act of taking another human life, with their consent or against their will, is murder, not sacrifice. Look up the definition if you don't believe me. Culling means that you need to elevate yourself to judge, jury and executioner and I don't believe anyone, Satanists included, have the right to make that determination. I don't mean to offend anyone, but I don't believe any worthy sacrifice is one of another person. You need to sacrifice of yourself. AJA has already stated this.

However, "murdering" a godform is different as they don't have a form to begin with and you are only "murdering" it from your perspective. It will still exist elsewhere so long as someone believes in it.

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Awww, what the hell? I was waiting to read the comments from last night/earlier this morning...

Damn!

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If I had known this was going to come down to the ONA discussion of culling, I wouldn't have posted in the first place.
The author stated where he was headed at the beginning without specifically referencing ONA...I knew he was talking about ONA not only because its their term but also because he has said in other places that this is mainly what interests him in Satanism...

A little food for thought, something to ponder when you find yourself devoid of things left to ponder. Our topic being culling. Though I have only just became aware of the term it has brought about an interesting question of which I would like to share with the rest of you. A most simple question. One, in which it's very premises lies certainly in cultural, societal, even civilizational taboo. Hell, it has been set in stone for thousands of years. And yet it occurs all too often.

My question is this. Have you ever considered yourself capable of taking another human life? Has such an idea ever been brought to the forefront of your consciousness?
So I'm not sure how this thread can be redeemed although I think Mmothra at least did try to do so...the problem being that the stage was set already and discussion already ensued...I tried to broaden it to the slaying of the gods which later Aja broke down into the principles of Realizing, Destroying and Creating Godhood etc...but I think it's pretty clear where the discussion was intending to go since the original language was never retracted or amended...

My own view is that ONA cannot truly represent Satanism so long as they promote this doctrine of culling on a mundane level...that is...at the level of outright murder, which it is. You cannot effectively attend to the business of Self-Deification and at the same time succumb to petty violence and murder as your chosen course of action...it doesn't matter how you sugar-coat it...these things are simply diametrically opposed and the one will always cancel out the other in practical application...

Beyond this I think I have nothing more to say on this subject...I am willing to debate this position but not with anyone who cannot or will not reason things out logically...

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I guess I'm mostly just disappointed that it degraded into the same old argument.
Agreed...perhaps there is still some way to reclaim it...

edit: one possibility perhaps is to try to examine the principle of justice in general from the Satanic perspective. I don't know where others are at on all of this but this is certainly an issue I find myself gravitating to almost daily...due to all manner of injustice in the world. One can't help wondering if any REAL standard of justice will ever materialize in this world or if it is simply doomed to play out this macabre travesty to the bitter end. I do personally believe in something we might call higher law or universal law or whatever and I can't help but wonder if it will ever come to be implemented in this world or if that is simply impossible...people have always fallen into the trap of taking the law into their own hands...but who has ever managed to take universal law into their own hands? No one, I suspect...

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I didn't bother to go through all these comments so probably I'm repeating several ideas.

In answer to the original question - taking human life... so many possibilities, endless situations! Millions of "what if ..."! Twinkling in the dark like little stars, waiting to be discovered - so distant, yet so desirable.
I can't speak for other people and that was not asked anyhow so I skip all those fancy arguments of the human nature.
Let's just say it would take too long to write down all those situations I'd kill in and I don't see why I would need to go in details. It's in my blood.
I don't say "now and here is all that matters" if you consider depth of this matter but certainly there are many situations in which killer inside of me would be activated.

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Maybe I'm just jaded but I find that part of the question to be completely self-evident. Human beings not only CAN kill but they have an outright addiction to killing and/or being constantly enmeshed in killing whether by media, literature, fantasy, whatever...

The question I think is whether or not that killer-instinct can ever rise to any standard of justice that does not inherently destroy the fabric of life itself in the world which they inhabit...now we have harnassed nuclear power and of course the first thing we want to do with it is kill...how long can this sh*t go on? We will very soon have reached the point where we can no longer survive our own killer-instinct and I don't think the instinct itself can ever be removed from the human equation...it's part of who we are.

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