Original post: alacardkane
hmm. I used to experience a great deal of those sorts of things. Mostly because I wasnt properly taught in the correct methods/respects of using circles.
what happened was I left a lot of them open, which, being from me, let a lot of nasties through that attached to me and well, gave me a great deal of trouble.
eventually a friend helped me perform closing ritual. which basically was a force of wills as I herded those entities back through the circles before closing them. now im not saying it solved all my troubles, but most of them. as a few entities that i now know quite well, stayed behind.
but figuring as to what path i walk now, and your current situation. I would say you have some rather nasty situations going on. I would get in contact with those Vettir, or as we call them here in the states, resident spirits, and see whats going on on the otherside. many times simply creating things like guardian forms and such can really improve the quality of life in general. I helped bring a strong spirit guardian into a friend of mine's home because she had a nasty case of spooks. and by that i mean entities that feed off fear, so they cause it.
there is the strong possibility that due to all this construction, that you are simply being targeted because you are of the magic paths.
I get targeted and approached regularly by all sorts of things simply because i can see them. many times they are angry and violent simply because they are dead, other times its because things like renovations and such are going on. I mean, I know i would be bloody pissed if someone started ripping up my home while i was still in it.
I would say that there is a few things that can be done to at least make it livable. making guardian forms, calling on guardian spirits, calling on tree spirits for protection, even the stones in your yard can help. use multiple protections, not just on the home, but the land and each room itself.
or theres going to war with these spirits, but i dont suggest it unless you know exactly what you are up against. trust me, i got the scars to prove my ignorance in those matters.
now on this cycle, have you all tried being out of town on that day or week? If things change that way, then you know its a local issue.
or last and generally the most daunting. move away and see what happens.
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I don't know if I just didn't see it in your posting, but what about waiting for one of those instances when this stuff occurs and trap one of those ...what did you call them? Spindly things? I had a remotely similar experience once (meaning, ONCE, not every three months or more than once), and reacted by trapping one of the things that had invaded my apartment. Communication didn't go all that well, so I ate it and then started reaching out to the other thingies still present to give them a taste of how it feels to be fed upon/devoured and destroyed.
Maybe give that a try? Then again, I've known psi-vamps who recoiled at the thought of taking in the energy of something like that, so you might not want to do it. But it's the only idea coming up from the depths of my slightly drowsy brain right now. *shrugs*
If it's a vampiric disembodied entity, I wouldn't count on salt and grain and all that. Wards tend to be more effective, as far as my limited experience with "nasties" that I didn't want to have around goes.
I don't know if I just didn't see it in your posting, but what about waiting for one of those instances when this stuff occurs and trap one of those ...what did you call them? Spindly things? I had a remotely similar experience once (meaning, ONCE, not every three months or more than once), and reacted by trapping one of the things that had invaded my apartment. Communication didn't go all that well, so I ate it and then started reaching out to the other thingies still present to give them a taste of how it feels to be fed upon/devoured and destroyed.
Maybe give that a try? Then again, I've known psi-vamps who recoiled at the thought of taking in the energy of something like that, so you might not want to do it. But it's the only idea coming up from the depths of my slightly drowsy brain right now. *shrugs*
If it's a vampiric disembodied entity, I wouldn't count on salt and grain and all that. Wards tend to be more effective, as far as my limited experience with "nasties" that I didn't want to have around goes.
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- kick all the niggers out of your house though this may not help you, they seem to be a clingy, needy folk overall. If they follow you after that, lure them somewhere under false pretenses and dump them in an unmarked grave, don't waste good meat though so take what you want to eat, bury the rest.
- See a doctor
-Call an electrician
- throw away that old butt pug, vibrator, or both.
- kick all the niggers out of your house though this may not help you, they seem to be a clingy, needy folk overall. If they follow you after that, lure them somewhere under false pretenses and dump them in an unmarked grave, don't waste good meat though so take what you want to eat, bury the rest.
- See a doctor
-Call an electrician
- throw away that old butt pug, vibrator, or both.
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Original post: JanPeter
Pixie, take it easy, he IS trying to help. You might not be at a stage to contemplate that help yet though. But please, take everything with a grain of salt, if you can't cope with it.
No one on these forums is forcing you to do anything, but listening to others points of view will never hurt. I found his replies in this thread pretty helpful!
Pixie, take it easy, he IS trying to help. You might not be at a stage to contemplate that help yet though. But please, take everything with a grain of salt, if you can't cope with it.
No one on these forums is forcing you to do anything, but listening to others points of view will never hurt. I found his replies in this thread pretty helpful!
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Original post: daecon
[QUOTE=Tattyhead;347869]Now that's an interesting theory! The whole of the city has gone a bit mental over the last few years, but much more noticeably so within the last 6 months - Liverpool has undergone massive reconstruction work for preparation for European City of Culture 2008. There's been supernatural problems all over the bloody place in the wake of dozens, if not hundreds of old buildings getting torn down or renovated.[/QUOTE]
Ah, interesting. Large scale renovation can wreak havoc on the local ley lines of an area. Boston's "Big Dig" tangled the earth energies of the whole city, and the loss of the Twin Towers destroyed a major node in NYC. (Though most of the psychic damage to the city was the shock of 9/11.)
[QUOTE=Tattyhead;347869]Now that's an interesting theory! The whole of the city has gone a bit mental over the last few years, but much more noticeably so within the last 6 months - Liverpool has undergone massive reconstruction work for preparation for European City of Culture 2008. There's been supernatural problems all over the bloody place in the wake of dozens, if not hundreds of old buildings getting torn down or renovated.[/QUOTE]
Ah, interesting. Large scale renovation can wreak havoc on the local ley lines of an area. Boston's "Big Dig" tangled the earth energies of the whole city, and the loss of the Twin Towers destroyed a major node in NYC. (Though most of the psychic damage to the city was the shock of 9/11.)
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Wow sounds a lot like when a friend of mine was into dark magick. If you aren't into that at all and don't know anyone who is you may want to find a local ghost hunting team. I know that seems odd but I'm on a ghost hunt team and we get calls like this sometimes. Do you know the history of the place you are living at? There is a thing known as a repetitive haunting where every year(or how ever often) the same things recur due to a tragic event in the home.
Wow sounds a lot like when a friend of mine was into dark magick. If you aren't into that at all and don't know anyone who is you may want to find a local ghost hunting team. I know that seems odd but I'm on a ghost hunt team and we get calls like this sometimes. Do you know the history of the place you are living at? There is a thing known as a repetitive haunting where every year(or how ever often) the same things recur due to a tragic event in the home.
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Original post: IAO131
I can see you like answers that come in the form of 'its earth energies!' or 'wave some sage around!' which belies your interests and your ability to take common sense criticism and ideas.
Dowsing gives conflicting answers because its a new age woo-woo bullshit practice. Perhaps your cats are acting up from all the sage you're burning, crystals you're wearing, dowsing you're doing, and common sense you're avoiding.
Ever heard of a self fulfilling prophecy? What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. The more you talk about this crap with others, the more you will link disconnected things to this notion of yours that youre being attacked by black spindly temperature changing body hoppers. I honestly dont even trust the testimony of people who say they arent New Age when they consult occultists for their electrical and rodent problems & list dowsing, chakra work, sage burning etc as answers.
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You say that but you consult Rosicrucians, Qabalists, GD'ers, and native americans for your problems. You sound either like a woo woo new ager or someone without common sense. How many times must people tell you to see an electrician or doctor - people who ACTUALLY know what they are talking about?Tattyhead;347754 wrote:Hello all, I'm new to this forum, but not to this particular topic of discussion. I'm one of the other people the Pixiecat is referring to when she says there's a few people with this particular problem.
I would very much appreciate it if people would not be abusive. This is a genuine request of assistance from minds far enough removed from the situation to be objective. However, if you feel the need to be a vicious, supercilious little oink, then go ahead. I may have to point and laugh.
May I just make it clear I am not a fluffy New Ager. I am not a crystal-waving Wiccan, but nor am I a smug Crowley-ite with a superiority complex. I am a person from an ecclectic path who has a very puzzling problem.
With regard to the issue, we have consulted with a Rosecrucian Magus, a Qabalist, an ex-member of the Golden Dawn, a Native American medicine woman and a 3rd Degree Alexandrian. It's not a huge, flashy demons-are-eating my soul problem. What it is a frustrating, wearing, seemingly resolution-less giant pain in the backside.
Yea, see a chiropractor and hire an exterminator.Any ideas?
- It happens more if someone is stressed or ill
- It happens mostly at night or dusk, especially once you get into bed for the night
- Noise phenomena unrelated to normal household sounds; scritching noises that moves around the room at ceiling level (I have had a mouse problem as I live in a very old house, but the traps are laterly empty and no mice I know of have wings!!), clicking sounds that move around the room or sound like they're right in your ear. All the sounds stop if you switch on a light, but resume once the light is off.
- Shadows of bar or cylindrical shapes (of variying sizes and numbers) that appear and disappear and move/change direction around the room
- Some people have had spindly black shapes moved around the middle of the room
- Increased levels of 'zippies' - those little black, white, red, green or blue energy balls
- Feelings of threat and oppression, general 'bad' vibes - all the women who have experienced this liken it to being watched by a threatening male presence. It's a hard feeling to decribe to a bloke, but it's the peculiar fear of being a woman alone, threatened by a man
- Feeling very drained and irritable from disturbed sleep
- Blocked or very slow-spinning chakras
- Attachments or damaged areas in auras
- Some changes in temperature
- Phenomena is mostly confined to bedrooms or living rooms
- Disturbed behaviour in household pets, especially cats
- Dowsing and other divination gives very conflicting answers
- Household wards appear intact, but yet seem to get breached with impunity - things seem to be able to piggyback in
I can see you like answers that come in the form of 'its earth energies!' or 'wave some sage around!' which belies your interests and your ability to take common sense criticism and ideas.
Dowsing gives conflicting answers because its a new age woo-woo bullshit practice. Perhaps your cats are acting up from all the sage you're burning, crystals you're wearing, dowsing you're doing, and common sense you're avoiding.
Ever heard of a self fulfilling prophecy? What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. The more you talk about this crap with others, the more you will link disconnected things to this notion of yours that youre being attacked by black spindly temperature changing body hoppers. I honestly dont even trust the testimony of people who say they arent New Age when they consult occultists for their electrical and rodent problems & list dowsing, chakra work, sage burning etc as answers.
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Original post: MatthewK
It's the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Even doctors and electricians are powerless against this almighty swirling aeronaut of the astral realm... replace the sage smudging regiment with some grated parmesean tossing, sprinkle garlic salt in each corner of every room, and take a nice soothing olive oil bath.
It's the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Even doctors and electricians are powerless against this almighty swirling aeronaut of the astral realm... replace the sage smudging regiment with some grated parmesean tossing, sprinkle garlic salt in each corner of every room, and take a nice soothing olive oil bath.
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Original post: the_pixiecat
ok, lets just say for a arguements sake, that a person DID have a negative entity attached to them or their homes (totally aside from ANY info from above)
what would you IAO131 do about that?
i'm very intrugied to see what YOU, the alleged super occultist "he who knows it all" would do?
ok, lets just say for a arguements sake, that a person DID have a negative entity attached to them or their homes (totally aside from ANY info from above)
what would you IAO131 do about that?
i'm very intrugied to see what YOU, the alleged super occultist "he who knows it all" would do?
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Original post: Luke Saint
[QUOTE=the_pixiecat;350369]ok, lets just say for a arguements sake, that a person DID have a negative entity attached to them or their homes (totally aside from ANY info from above)
what would you IAO131 do about that?
i'm very intrugied to see what YOU, the alleged super occultist "he who knows it all" would do?[/QUOTE]
Of course he would say "Do what thou wilt", and all the troubles would be gone, demons would return to hell, snakes would revert to eggs on Medusa's head, poltergeists would cease, angelic beings would become sluts, dogs would meow, and, most importantly, the entity would then pay homage and serve him.
Duh!
[QUOTE=the_pixiecat;350369]ok, lets just say for a arguements sake, that a person DID have a negative entity attached to them or their homes (totally aside from ANY info from above)
what would you IAO131 do about that?
i'm very intrugied to see what YOU, the alleged super occultist "he who knows it all" would do?[/QUOTE]
Of course he would say "Do what thou wilt", and all the troubles would be gone, demons would return to hell, snakes would revert to eggs on Medusa's head, poltergeists would cease, angelic beings would become sluts, dogs would meow, and, most importantly, the entity would then pay homage and serve him.
Duh!
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Original post: alacardkane
first of IAO, dowsing is a rather old practice. its been a family practice since before any of my family members can remember, my grandfather (born 1918) was taught dowsing by i believe his father who learned it from his and so forth. Ive read a few places that dowsing is as close to ancient as anything we know.
and for the sake of this thread, why dont we for just one moment assume, that just maybe, just maybe. they actualy have consulted with the so called "professionals".
after that assumption, then we are left open to any possibility.
so really though, like IAO said, perhaps there is some self proving prophecy going on here. but that tends to occur any time a group of people start experiencing anything. It's quite similar to the mob mentality.
either way. all i can suggest to these people, without meeting with them in person.
Just leave town for a while and see what happens. dont talk to eachother for a while, just isolate one's self and document everything. see what happens.
you really have to look at this with as much a scientific method as possible. trouble shooting is the only way you can figure out what is going on. which means isolation, testing, and waiting.
after enough documentation has occurred, say, 5 or 6 months or more. then one can sit down and begin to dissect this whole thing for what it is.
IAO131;349405 wrote: Dowsing gives conflicting answers because its a new age woo-woo bullshit practice.
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first of IAO, dowsing is a rather old practice. its been a family practice since before any of my family members can remember, my grandfather (born 1918) was taught dowsing by i believe his father who learned it from his and so forth. Ive read a few places that dowsing is as close to ancient as anything we know.
and for the sake of this thread, why dont we for just one moment assume, that just maybe, just maybe. they actualy have consulted with the so called "professionals".
after that assumption, then we are left open to any possibility.
so really though, like IAO said, perhaps there is some self proving prophecy going on here. but that tends to occur any time a group of people start experiencing anything. It's quite similar to the mob mentality.
either way. all i can suggest to these people, without meeting with them in person.
Just leave town for a while and see what happens. dont talk to eachother for a while, just isolate one's self and document everything. see what happens.
you really have to look at this with as much a scientific method as possible. trouble shooting is the only way you can figure out what is going on. which means isolation, testing, and waiting.
after enough documentation has occurred, say, 5 or 6 months or more. then one can sit down and begin to dissect this whole thing for what it is.
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Original post: Tattyhead
Kudos to Luke Saint & Alacardkane! LOL!
Kudos to Luke Saint & Alacardkane! LOL!
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Original post: pickle
I am also one of the people affected by this.
I can assure you i am one of the least fluffy people you will meet.
This pattern has been growing in momentum and is strating to get beyond a joke.
I am also one of the people affected by this.
I can assure you i am one of the least fluffy people you will meet.
This pattern has been growing in momentum and is strating to get beyond a joke.
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Original post: wayne the druid
i know the people this is affecting personally and have been there to help them all during this time i know this is no fluffy stuff as i know that said people dont play the fluffy pagan game and they are all genuine people things are going on and i will be there in any aspect to help them in any cleansing or helping rid these things that are affecting them
i know the people this is affecting personally and have been there to help them all during this time i know this is no fluffy stuff as i know that said people dont play the fluffy pagan game and they are all genuine people things are going on and i will be there in any aspect to help them in any cleansing or helping rid these things that are affecting them
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Original post: insanedragon
If you are working in any sort of energy and you don't know exactly what you are doing you could have problems. Experience tells me you may have attracted entities by improperly protecting yourselves. When working in magic it can be like a beacon attracting moths. I could help you if you were close but I am in the Pacific Northwest. There really is no reason why they won't respond if you have the ability to banish them but the alternative is to leave and separate for a time. They might leave you alone for a while but if you evoked them and didn't send them back you must send them back yourself eventually or they may never leave you alone. If you have not trained and developed in your skills I suggest you do, the occult is not the fantasy some people suppose it is. It's all to real if you take it lightly. Also when banishing fear is your worst enemy second to ignorance, so if what you know doesn't work try something proven over time. My way is probably not your way so I can't explain to easily. Good luck.
If you are working in any sort of energy and you don't know exactly what you are doing you could have problems. Experience tells me you may have attracted entities by improperly protecting yourselves. When working in magic it can be like a beacon attracting moths. I could help you if you were close but I am in the Pacific Northwest. There really is no reason why they won't respond if you have the ability to banish them but the alternative is to leave and separate for a time. They might leave you alone for a while but if you evoked them and didn't send them back you must send them back yourself eventually or they may never leave you alone. If you have not trained and developed in your skills I suggest you do, the occult is not the fantasy some people suppose it is. It's all to real if you take it lightly. Also when banishing fear is your worst enemy second to ignorance, so if what you know doesn't work try something proven over time. My way is probably not your way so I can't explain to easily. Good luck.
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Dear All
I came upon this thread by chance and wonder how things worked out...
A few years ago I was working with a magical group in Formby, just north of Liverpool. The most experienced of us made a big thing about protection, saying that the moment people start doing this stuff, especially in groups, then it's like a beacon that can attract all kinds of things. So we set up a guardian spirit to watch our backs which seemed to work fine.
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I came upon this thread by chance and wonder how things worked out...
A few years ago I was working with a magical group in Formby, just north of Liverpool. The most experienced of us made a big thing about protection, saying that the moment people start doing this stuff, especially in groups, then it's like a beacon that can attract all kinds of things. So we set up a guardian spirit to watch our backs which seemed to work fine.
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Hiya Albion,after reading through this thread,I agree with what you've said.
Too many hands busy in the magickal pot and not one left to hold the fort,lol. [thumbup]
I also tend towards there being a practical /mundane issue here too,but we can also see how well the OP responded to that possibility,lol.
It may have energetically supernatural origins,or it may have latched on to an already present problem in the group,or it may be a manifest that has thrived on a pre existing mundane situation..or...or...and so on,ad nauseam.
By closing their minds to all possible avenues except the most dramatic,the OP and friends did seem dead set on fulfilling their own worst expectations and fears.
I do hope the issue got resolved,somehow.It is a few years old by now.
Too many hands busy in the magickal pot and not one left to hold the fort,lol. [thumbup]
I also tend towards there being a practical /mundane issue here too,but we can also see how well the OP responded to that possibility,lol.
It may have energetically supernatural origins,or it may have latched on to an already present problem in the group,or it may be a manifest that has thrived on a pre existing mundane situation..or...or...and so on,ad nauseam.
By closing their minds to all possible avenues except the most dramatic,the OP and friends did seem dead set on fulfilling their own worst expectations and fears.
I do hope the issue got resolved,somehow.It is a few years old by now.